BetaWiki:Community portal/Archive 10

Huh?

Last time I saved my work, the copyright warning was missing. What happened? 763004 ^{(💬 T | ⏳ S)} 14:28, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

The copyright warning didn't appear to be missing on my end. That might be caused by new server-side changes, which could also be the cause of the mobile site becoming a bit different. NaraInsider1694 (talk) 14:59, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Something weird happened...

I went up to this website and saw the main page look wrong, when I refreshed the page, I got an error 503. What's causing this? 763004 ^{(💬 T | ⏳ S)} 18:42, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, I also encountered multiple 503 errors. Actually, someone already talked about this before (in archive 7), and an admin said that the wiki is currently targeted by denial of service (DoS) attacks. NaraInsider1694 (talk) 23:22, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Fortunately, it's not DDoS, so it's not quite dangerous. Someone (talk) 04:51, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

That was IP 212.23.130.206, he said: "In the last few days, I received multiple HTTP 502 host errors when accessing this site. Was something bad happened there?" Ryuzaki replied: "Yeah, the wiki is currently targeted by DoS attacks. Stuff like this simply happens on the Internet from time to time. We'll see what we can do but don't really worry about the downtime." 763004 ^{(💬 T | ⏳ S)} 14:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Archive 7 stuff can hardly be called "current". CloudFlare had a cockup, that's what happened. --Ryuzaki (talk | contribs) 14:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I didn't say that the "DoS attack" is what "currently" happened. I just didn't know what was exactly causing the HTTP 503 issue, so the "DoS attack" is just a possible cause. NaraInsider1694 (talk) 15:26, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I have never heard or seen the word cockup before. 763004 ^{(💬 T | ⏳ S)} 18:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Line error

This is the example,
Before:
Line [line number]
[before title]
Line [line number]
[after title]
After:
Line [line number]
Line [line number]
[before title]
[after title]
The line error just make it worse. Why? 2001:F90:40A0:991:B9A8:1431:414A:CD3D 09:28, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

what? --Ryuzaki (talk | contribs) 17:45, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean? NaraInsider1694 (talk) 23:45, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

what are you talking about? --User3412 (talk) 00:16, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

2001:F90:40A0:991:B9A8:1431:414A:CD3D I don't understand you. 763004 ^{(💬 T | ⏳ S)} 14:10, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I forget to mention that the second "line [line number]" on the after shouldn't place on the second place and doesn't place on the third place.2001:F90:40A0:991:B9A8:1431:414A:CD3D 01:45, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Screen resolution rule

Why should the screen resolution be 1024x768 according to the rules? ClassicMacOSGuy1067 (talk) 23:21, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

For quality purposes, as in the past we had problems with numerous screenshots in very low 800x600x16 resolution. It does not apply to certain early versions where there might not be drivers to support it (for instance, good luck getting 1024x768 resolution MS-DOS). In Mac OS terms, 7.1 should be the first version to properly support 1024x768 and above. BF10 (talk) 02:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Tutorial and FAQ pages

I think we should discuss this first before it's moved out of draft. This would be a rather big change to the wiki's scope, so I don't think it's a good idea to proceed without hearing everyone out first. Personally I have a couple concerns with the proposed pages:

• It concentrates information where it shouldn't be. The VM configs page is a perfect example of that. I think the foremost focus should still be on the build pages. Information that's specific to a specific build or build range should not be spread out across multiple pages.
• It duplicates content. The build FAQ is a good example of that. Again, the foremost focus should be on the builds, components or concepts pages themselves, and the guide pages would only serve as a hub. Not to mention the FAQ includes questions I haven't heard anyone ask.
• It makes the wiki unnecessarily opinionated. Different people have different preferences and I have already noticed some slight edit warring regarding the configs.
• Do we even need a general guide on how to install Windows?
• There is the whole aspect of serving stuff on a golden plate and people then asking followup questions on the wiki itself. Does it even make sense to have the guides here in this exact place? Maybe it would be better to just get a Jekyll instance or GitHub pages going and have them there.

--Ryuzaki (talk | contribs) 11:56, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I think that the wiki should also still remain to be newcomer friendly to people who likely haven't used betas beforehand. The Cutting Room Floor does a rather great example of providing what a well-developed guide would be like, which could attract new people to help out when they likely don't know where to start. Otherwise, if we wanted to, we could replace a good amount of the FAQ with "look it up yourself or don't use it".

TCRF's FAQ page seems to be more focused on wiki structure, such as when a page can be created and other suggestions that might otherwise be deemed trivial.

Regarding the "duplication of content", sometimes the amount of builds a specific bug covers would be largely over the top to possibly document one by one at a time. For instance, there's the WINSETUP.BIN bug from all the 15xx builds of Windows 98, the hard drive bug in all RC2 - post-RTM builds of Windows 2000, and the online time sync timebomb from Windows 10. For instance, heading straight forward to Windows 98 build 1525 (1997-06-24) or most other builds in the 15xx range outside of 1500 would state that there's no bugs despite the presence of the setup bug. A technical remedy would be to introduce a template of let's say {{Common bugs}} with a perimeter that can be passed for specifying a notable bug that will output a section of text and paste those to multiple pages at once, but that's somewhat tiring and not really necessary to list it on over tens of pages at once (like the NT 3.1/3.5 processor bug, the 2000 hard disk driver bug, etc.).

The VM configs guide is mostly to point out how to prevent numerous problems in early builds due to running on newer than expected hardware. This is perhaps a big problem with new users, who seem to sense it being best on installing Windows 9x on VMware or something along the lines. Since there isn't any topical way to put that being recommended on article pages, it's best to place it in a separate area of the wiki. How sensible would it be to put "don't use Virtual PC due to all of the security flaws and such" on the Virtual PC page? This is also why I'm not really fond of keeping the |emulator= perimeter of the Windows build infobox, as it seems more of a recommended checklist then a genuine list of what virtualizers can run the build. Likewise, I don't see the need for sections like this that insists on installing third party software/non-preinstalled software onto the system, as this wiki isn't a compatibility checklist as well.

Of course, there's going to be users who still will have additional follow ups, which is going to be the norm for a lot of wikis. Our wiki should nonetheless still remain friendly to contributing users of all kinds, with of course exceptions being blatant vandals and spammers. There has been times where users would post concerns about builds here, so our wiki is never immune to people posting concerns here. Alternatively, it's probably best to simply point out the Discord server for questions and the like, similarly to TCRF's IRC channel. This should solve more of the "golden plate" based problem since users will be more upfront towards questions related to the builds themselves over the wiki. If anything, questions targeting the wiki are those that are guideline-based and fall under Administrator's noticeboard or community portal.

Regarding the VM config "edit wars"; I have to only protect that page primarily due to an IP user adding configs that don't even work at all or even had invalid options that were never implemented in the emulator. For instance, said user attempted to change all instances of VirtualBox's PIIX3 chipset to PIIX4, which doesn't exist there. Additionally, they have used numerous options that clearly don't get proper support for display adapters and sound to run the build at an optimal state. In one case, they have insisted on having a S3 VIRGE display adapter for Windows 95 and NT 4.0, which is not even included on both versions. These are more of falling under of removing vandalism/false information over an actual edit war. As long as the configs do run properly throughout a span of multiple builds, including early/infamously unstable ones, I won't necessarily contest any modifications to the virtual machine configs shown. In fact, I'd appreciate it if someone could for instance find a config for Windows 3.0 build 14 and 33 that don't use reference disks. When the pages are moved over as proper guides, they will quite obviously be protected from unregistered users. I have yet to find any autoconfirmed user from implementing an edit war on any of the guide pages.

In general, the main purpose of the FAQ/guides are to make it easier to allow users to help out on the wiki by easing the ability to install the builds, much like some wikis have their own guides for dealing with their own scope (such as TCRF's decompilation of games). The guides still nonetheless match the scope of the wiki (being useful for setting up VMs, and perhaps having guides to find resources or changes in the operating system, such as let's say using WinMerge/a hex editor to compare two files from different builds). Otherwise, this can drive new users away from the wiki who will still be lost on what to do to install many sets of builds. In other words, this would be closing off the userbase quite significantly, make our community look more of a "computer-buff only", and make this wiki less friendly to newer or non-experienced users. Which is not really the type of image we should pass off into our community. If that were the case, we'd delete pages such as Installing Windows Server on ARM64 and remove all tutorials such as the one on Windows 1.0 Development Release 5 since these configs don't fit the topically of appearing on articles and could be represented to several other builds in the same range anyways. I find it that splitting off some pages into guides would also make some articles look cleaner as well. BF10 (talk) 15:01, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Adding a little on to here, there are actually guides that can be helpful for the wiki: Documenting file differences, which is used for documenting what is added or removed in builds, first bought in by gus for Windows 2000 pages and then expanded on for Windows 95 and early XP. Although doing it for builds past i386 Windows would be a stretch, I still believe a genuine use of guides that could benefit the wiki can stay. Additional guides such as help with finding differences in builds would also be sensible to create. BF10 (talk) 19:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

what ?

windows 11 build 22621.1105 ?? (sorry, i don't have permission to upload) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unofficesharebeta (talk • contribs)

That build is an update build, so it's not notable. NaraInsider1694 (talk) 09:47, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Corrections: only Moment beta builds are notable —— Preceding SIGNED comment added by insomnia {{ talk • contribs • email me }} | 14:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Why add a "correction" to my reply? They're mentioning a non-Moment update build, which is obviously not notable, so your "correction" is technically incorrect. NaraInsider1694 (talk) 15:11, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

What does "Addition of repetitive content" mean?

I see many users gets blocked by the abuse filter for "adding repetitive content". But, I still don't know how this matters and what did they do so they get blocked. Can someone explain? User:Someone/Signature/Design1

I can't explain this, but there are some completely normal edits that could trigger the abuse filter. A good example of this would be the NFOs that were provided by a build's leaker, since most of these NFOs contained ASCII art. NaraInsider1694 (talk) 05:51, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

So that's why there are so many false positives. Thanks. User:Someone/Signature/Design1

Referring sources with multiple authors

Does someone know how to deal with sources published by more than one author? - Bob2204 (talk) 00:20, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

If you're just placing a link for the citation, you can just list multiple authors in the link text by splitting them with commas. BF10 (talk) 19:58, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Removing the "emulator" perimeter for build infoboxes

I believe that we should just remove the emulator perimeter on infoboxes after seeing the current state of how it is used. In particular, it seems that the perimeter is used more of a compatibility/recommended checklist, which is highly both debatable and subjective. For instance, looking at the Windows 1.0 Development Release 5 shows that it works in the PCem family, although this can be subjective in that the build could run on other virtualizers such as VMware with some driver changes, so it seems more of a recommended checklist from this perspective. Alongside, the "works in" gives sense in that if you aren't using the hypervisor listed, the build wouldn't run when it's usually not true. The system requirements section of each operating system appears to cover over well for what is the recommended config to use, so it'll bat off the desire to list every single hypervisor that is recommended since it'll come down to common sense. As a result, I believe it isn't necessary to keep the emulator perimeter on the build infoboxes; if a certain hypervisor is recommended, it should be added to a bugs section instead. BF10 (talk) 19:57, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I think the emulator perimeter is still useful if there is only one known emulator/hypervisor available that is capable of running this build, such as QEMU for this Win10 Creators Update build in ARM32. It is very odd for me to see something like "This build works in QEMU." in the Bugs section of an page if you decide that "emulator" should be removed. - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk - 16:29, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Question about dual-monitor images

Is an image also clarified as 'bad' when it has a resolution of 1600x600 (2x 800x600)? In this case, it is an image showing Windows Me with two monitors: Media:WindowsMe-4.9.3000-DualMonitorWatermark.png. My display (1920x1080) is too small to take a dual-monitor image in 2x 1024x768, at best one in 1024x768 and the other in 800x600. (I actually have a second display (in this case my TV) onto which I could plug my laptop in, but I don't want making the expense for this.) - Bob2204 ← Click here to begin. Or here. → Talk 20:27, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

We'll let it slide as long the image is properly cropped and isn't in 16 color. BF10 (talk) 21:24, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, technically the image is still "bad" in that it does not fully meet the screenshot guidelines, however, this does not necessarily mean you should face any consequences for this. This is merely a clarifier that the image is not up to the wiki's usual standards and that it should ideally be improved upon to meet them. Though personally I see a larger problem with the linked screenshot not using the default theme rather than the resolution. --Ryuzaki (talk | contribs) 22:23, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

This was just uploaded as a stopgap, I should have somewhere an image with a clean theme. - Bob2204 ← Click here to begin. Or here. → Talk 22:49, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Reupload done. - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 12:21, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Reviving "Nickel" page for 23xxx Dev builds

Since Dev Channel will receive builds starting 23403, I think we should put the builds back to the Nickel page, not the Windows 11 2022 Update page, since Microsoft said these builds are not matched to the specific release of Windows. Thanks. FinnieLoudtiago (talk) 02:06, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree. 23xxx isn't tied to any releases, and it's a full build, not an upgrade like 22xxx builds. User:Someone/Signature/Design1

Magic words

I saw an edit by Someone, which was tagged with "Magic words". What does this mean? - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 12:20, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Welp, I used {{CURRENTYEAR}}, which is a variable. The abuse filter 13 discourages the use of variables in normal articles. So, "Magic words" isn't any special kind of word, it's variables. If you want to know more about variables, try this page. User:Someone/Signature/Design1

And you decided to use {{CURRENTYEAR}} again, while you clearly said that the use of variables is discouraged in this wiki. It's better to just mention the actual current year (2023). NaraInsider1694 (talk) 13:25, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Magic words are special directives handled by the MediaWiki parser that is used to add dynamic content to pages. They are usually confined to templates, though, and there is an abuse filter to enforce that. --Ryuzaki (talk | contribs) 14:58, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

does this count as breaking the rules?

Windows XP build 3790.2725 this has an archive.org link to the build this page shows, is links still not allowed or did the rules change? I forgor 💀 2600:1011:A120:8E5E:B849:684C:69DA:A83E

I don't know as well. Lazytown Sportacus (LazytownSpo4015) Talk page 10:26, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

About the recently discovered Windows Hudson Valley codename...

I just read an article that was published by Windows Central today. While a majority of the article was about CorePC, at the end of the article, the Hudson Valley codename was mentioned which is very interesting because many articles in the last several months had referred it as Next Valley.

This is a codename for the next version of Windows that is tentatively scheduled to be released in 2024. It is crazy that there is already rumors and talks about the next version of Windows even though Windows 11 was released just over a year ago in October 2021.

This seems to kind of line up with the rumors from July 2022 that Microsoft could be moving back to a more traditional release schedule, releasing a new version of Windows every three years.

I do not want to say too much about Hudson Valley but, there is a lot planned for it including a focus on AI-powered features, more improvements and changes to the UI, CorePC which will allow for a more modern Windows platform and a huge focus on the cloud.

It will be very interesting to see what Microsoft has in store for next year and 2024 is already shaping up to be a huge and interesting year for Windows.

Here is the link to the article.

WindowsGuy2021, 1:05, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

How to disable Table of Contents?

I want to disable the Table of Contents on ny user page in favor of my Start menu. I have read of something like NOTOC or NO_TOC or how it was called. Anybody who can help? - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 21:50, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Try __NOTOC__. It should work. User:Someone/Signature/Design1

Thanks, though I don‘t need this anymore, as I moved most of my content to sub-pages. 😁 - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 13:41, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

What for a build lab account is "oobla"?

I know that builds can be compiled by private accounts, like Dave Cutler once did ("davec"), but does somebody know what the "oo" means in "oobla" (given that "bla" means "build lab account"), like in 6.2.8175.5.fbl_dev_dp4(oobla).120111-2201. (and don't ask me about my signature, I will replace the logo with a SVG) - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 13:39, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Are metadata files really that notable?

When you upgrade from an Insider build to a newer one, you may find metadata files like Desktop_neutral_Forward_25283.1000.rs_prerelease.230118-1244.CompDB.xml, which refer to an older build. I doubt however its notability, just like with the Terminal GH builds, as no build referenced in such files ever became leaked. Or did I misunderstand something? (and sorry for my large amount of questions I placed here) - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 12:55, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Can IPs upload images?

So basically I want to upload an image but I need to be logged in, so, is there a way to upload images when logged out? 156.203.49.16

This was once possible, but as I was an IP back then (2021/22), I couldn't upload images with the reason that you had to be logged in to upload images. - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 17:11, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

This wiki is going nuts

It started from Garbage can to Toilet flush button to Inactive Directory to Opterno and then a BF10 knockoff, FB10 then XeYes, and then some accounts like Lyuzaki, Underdoze, and then finally as of now, Untwistman319. I don't know why this "BetaWiki Alt account war" is happening. The Wiki used to be fine, now, a war has started. Shams1917 (talk) 00:41, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

And that's why we have and need admins like BF10, Term24, Hounsell, Ryuzaki or pivotman319. They do a very good job on this. 👍 I myself (when I was an anonymous editor) can remember that somebody rebadged Win8 Developer Preview or Consumer Preview to Service Packs and wrote that his sister is using one of those, and soon after these edits got reverted, he wrote "BetaWiki, go to jail!" before he got blocked. Also, there were users called "rip [VIP user] [random year]-2021", for example. Vandals are a common thing on wikis like this, but what I've experienced now is in an extreme I even didn't experience when I began contributing in 2020/21. - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 01:09, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

I didn't even know that this wiki was so Cursed💀 --Shams1917 (talk) 01:33, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

You're best just ignoring these trolls and moving on with your day. Let staff deal with things and everything will be OK. Xeno (talk) 02:06, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

OT:Did you just used one of my sentences when I wrote in the Admin's noticeboard that Garbage can makes this wiki going nuts, which I deleted soon as he/she got blocked? That's not meant negatively, but I see some sort of connection. - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 01:09, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

I didn't know what to type. And I didn't know I even stole a sentence. Sorry. --Shams1917 (talk) 01:29, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Again, not meant in a negative way. Just for sure. 😉 - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 01:34, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

And currently, a Term24 impersonator under the name of Start24 showed up, and just like the other users, they were banned. NaraInsider1694 (talk) 22:33, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

And he/she became even more worse, as seen in his/her now-deleted Talk page. - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 05:24, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Who the hell is behind all this? NitroGD 11:52, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Somebody who clearly hates this wiki and the beta scene overall. - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 12:41, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

I think it comes from some old vandalisers in this wiki. —— Preceding SIGNED comment added by insomnia {{ talk • contribs • email me }} | 15:36, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Now he/she tries to operate as things in “depri mode”, like HyperCam or RAM stick. His/her edits are already very obscure, and they become even more the more he/she tries to vandalize. 😵‍💫 - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 15:53, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

hey bob just a heads up you can just say “they” when referring to them instead of “he/she” NitroGD 16:47, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

There are too much VPN services out there, both free and paid. Even a free one (example: BrightVPN (that I used to access country-restricted websites)) can carry up to 50+ different servers, and this counter will increase for paid VPN. And in each server, they'll create a new account. It's not simple as range-blocking; each country server can carry many different IPs and in each different range. This'll gonna be hard.

But, I have 2 plans, but I need the help of the admins.

• Attack the vandalisers' computer. The admins will obtain their IP range, and then I'll use an IP tracker and a special software or ping <ip> -t to DoS/DDoS their computer. It may be too cruel, but this is the only (apparently) way to stop them. They won't be able to access the internet if the attack still running. If someone has a strong enough computer, run the attack as long as possible. Many computers running the attack will make the vandalisers' give up when their internet becoming unusable.

• Restrict the site to blacklist the vandalizer. This can be done(?) by using site protection services (like Cloudflare) and blacklist their IPs.

Idk if these are gonna work, but nothing is impossible. Let's save the wiki!

—— Preceding SIGNED comment added by insomnia {{ talk • contribs • email me }} | 12:43, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Good Ideas, Someone! Also DDOSing someone is not very cruel in this situation, they deserve it NitroGD 17:54, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Seems that you are very on fire. 🔥 Anyway, DDoSing isn't a good idea, as BW is sometimes DDoSed as well. - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 17:59, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Woah, this is a good idea. but we're gonna need administrator permissions to do this. I don't know if BF10 or Ryuzaki or Pivotman319 will choose an option to prevent the vandalizers from using those 2 options. I hope they don't do this to the 14x/15x IPs because these are mine. Shams1917 (talk) 18:48, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

what even - pivotman319 (📫) 19:24, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Hey, I know the situation is not ideal, but tbh stuff like this is just a reality of having an open community. As the wiki is and has always been as open as possible, there will be people coming to do dumb things. However, just check how much content the wiki has and how many amazing contributors made it possible and you'll see that an ocassional disruptive spammer is an okay price to pay.

Besides, unless you frequent the Recent changes page, your chance of just accidentally seeing vandalism are pretty low, as we keep the highly frequented pages locked and any edits are reverted in a couple of hours. So my advice is to just chill a little, this is not the first time we're dealing with a situation like this and we just see it as "the cost of doing business".

On the other hand, proposing any illegal activites and attacks of our own is extremely dumb and will never happen. So, if you keep suggesting them or actually do any attacks, you will be banned, and this is a final warning. Acts like these are not even up for discussion. -- JaGoTu (talk) 19:27, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I guess it's too illegal to act. I won't do it. Considering that attacking is illegal. Anyways, I do check the recent changes though. Just keep reverting and blocking. —— Preceding SIGNED comment added by insomnia {{ talk • contribs • email me }} | 04:45, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Welp, there goes Someone’s idea. NitroGD 19:29, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

As I doubt. And there was another impersonator: Mrpijey, one of the Admins of BetaArchive. - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 22:12, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

More stuff coming: 10BF and Blue (you may know what I'm talking when you think about Blue Horizon for the latter) - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 05:09, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

And they might soon impersonate me (I have been impersonated two times before, their names are "Nara Lnsider" and "Naza Outsider"). Impersonating normal users is not what vandals normally do, so this might be the start of a new war. NaraInsider1694 (talk) 05:45, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Let's see who follows next. 🫣 - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 05:50, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Who knows? But I think that old users, extended confirmed users and/or admins are being targeted for impersonation. I think that I've chosen the name that's very hard to impersonate. But who knows something like "Someome" or "S0me0ne" could appear? —— Preceding SIGNED comment added by insomnia {{ talk • contribs • email me }} | 15:39, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Or "Onesome". That's maybe because "we" aren't so popular like established names (Hounsell and so). - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 16:05, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

jeez onesome would be an unfortunate name NitroGD 17:41, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

As a normal user who isn't an extended confirmed user (will be soon when I make more edits), I don't think the vandalism guy can impersonate me. Shams1917 (talk) 18:44, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Seems that the crazy guy stopped appearing and cursing things in this wiki since a week, so we can close this discussion. 🙂 - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 14:47, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Or not. And they called "Someome", just like you said. 😟 - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 14:44, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank god that guy didn’t go with “onesome” NitroGD 15:23, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

man what i said comes true —— Preceding SIGNED comment added by insomnia {{ talk • contribs • email me }} | 05:25, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh my god it was actually someome and then he got banned for infinity because of unacceptable username Shams1917 (talk) 17:05, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

lol. —— Preceding SIGNED comment added by insomnia {{ talk • contribs • email me }} | 05:27, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Seems like we should have some kind of “request an account” or something like that to stop this. There’s already BetaWiki:Moderation to stop new accounts from vandalizing pages, so stopping random usernames would logically be the next step. -Meow (talk) 00:39, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

good thing! Much better than DDoS-ing - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 06:05, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

There's an abuse filter for "large creation of new users". It should help. (and now i think i'm suck at plans) —— Preceding SIGNED comment added by insomnia {{ talk • contribs • email me }} | 07:41, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

For preventive: The worst thing that can happen I think is impersonators may actually make use of Unicode and non-Latin but similar characters to impersonate or use 2 characters stands next to each other to create a similar looking alphabet (for example, "r" and "n" can create "rn", which looks like "m"). Therefore, if not reading the user information correctly, the admins may accidentally block the wrong and real person. I guess we have to make an abuse filter to block users who use similar-looking Unicode and non-Latin characters that looks like Latin characters in their account name and/or using character combinations to make alphabets. This may comes with downsides such as users who'd like to use Unicodes in their account name would get false positives. Therefore, blocking impersonators will be a much more complicated job. (i'm praising that my words do not come true 🙏) —— Preceding SIGNED comment added by insomnia {{ talk • contribs • email me }} | 10:54, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I don‘t know that this may work, but perhaps also by using non-Latin symbols like Cyrillic „е“ vs. Latin „e“ to create, for example, another user called „Somеonе“. I mean, by the use of those, you can have two files called, for example, text.txt onto the same drive, which is normally not possible, not sure if this also applies to MediaWiki servers. - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 11:01, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Regarding JPEG screenshots on Android

A few new uploads in the upload log made me think about this. When you normally take a screenshot on Android, it automatically saves it as a jpg. But while I'm not sure if any exist, there could be third party screenshotters that save in the png format.

What shall be done about Android screenshots? Should they stay as their native jpeg format or shoud they be retaken by a third party tool in png? --Cartifanwlr (talk) 04:30, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

There might be third-party tools which can take screenshot in PNG. Newer phones (like mine) though should have an option for their built-in screenshot tool to switch the format to PNG. - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 11:07, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

About unused content and updating empty sites

Tell me, is it true that all of the unused content goes against screenshot guidelines? I uploaded some of the unused files to galleries of a few Windows pages, but when I checked a few minutes later, they got deleted by NaraInsider1694 (talk), or better to say, the pages were reverted. Later I read all of the screenshot guidelines and tried to upload one unused photo again, but the page was reverted again for some reason. Also, how I saw, empty pages aren't safe from this. I updated the page of Windows Neptune build 5111.6 by adding some content, but again, everything was reverted. What's the reason for this?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nduserwin90021 (talk • contribs)

Those unused screenshots do not meet the screenshot guidelines. Also, remember to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). I am the user who reverted your edits, so I'm sorry if I caused an inconvenience to you. NaraInsider1694 (talk) 13:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

What Longhorn build shows this picture?

So I looked into the UX.Evolutions website from 4 April 2005 and found in the „New Cherry Blossom Image“ post from 6 March 2005 this image. What Longhorn build does come next to this or is this again some sort of concept? - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk 08:49, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

It's a concept. —— Preceding SIGNED comment added by insomnia {{ talk • contribs • email me }} | 11:41, 20 April 2023 (UTC)