User talk:BF10/Archive 1

Why do you hate Creators Update? (Also did anyone realize that the wiki is getting buggy?) --LilShootDawg (talk) 19:15, 24 January 2018 (GMT)

I don't like the Fall Creators update since it made many computers unstable or even bricked it. For the wiki itself, yes I noticed it got a lot buggy, like being unable to upload images once and several downtimes. BF10 (talk)

Why don't you like Windows 98 FE? --LilShootDawg (talk) 20:25, 14 February 2018 (GMT)

"Safe to shutdown" screens

Hey there. Are you planning to add the shutdown screens from Neptune and Vista RTM (alongside 95/98/ME, NT 4.0, NT 3.1, etc.) to your history page? Are you also planning to capture the screens from NT 5.0 "Beta 1" and "Beta 2", 2000 "Beta 3" and Chicago? -- 20:54, 17 April 2018 (BST)

I will aim on getting these added later. I am kinda restricted on VMs, which makes it pretty hard to add all of them at once. I will try testing the Windows 2000 builds later, but the fact it requires floppies and are hard to install makes it hard to add. I should aim for getting that done (after many attempts of trying to install Longhorn Server 4028 all failing from setup not loading or BSoD on boot after setup). BF10 (talk) 23:34, 17 April 2018 (BST)
Just so you know, the NT 5.0 "Beta 2" and Windows 2000 "Beta 3" shutdown screens already exist on the Internet, though. They both look similar to the final Windows 2000.
NT 5.0 "Beta 2"
Windows 2000 "Beta 3"
The Beta 3 screen isn't the same size and placement, though, and it has a white line of the left side for some reason. Might be worth either capturing from actual VMs instead, or editing the screens using an image editor with reference to the VM captured screens (NT 5.0 "Beta 2", 2000 RTM, Whistler).
Now all we need (sort of) are the original NT 3.1/4.0/5.0 "Beta 1" and Chicago/Windows 95 "Beta" screens.
BTW, have you tried setting the BIOS date for Longhorn Server 4028? -- 21:35, 18 April 2018 (BST)
I will plan to add those including the placeholder blue safe to shutdown screen in late beta 1 NT 5.0 builds. And yes, I did set a BIOS date so it is likely a problem with the setup on WinPE. BF10 (talk) 11:39, 19 April 2018 (BST)
Alright. By the way, I am safe (get it?) to add any missing screen images of yours (e.g. Neptune) to your history page if I can, right? -- 22:32, 20 April 2018 (BST)
I wish it was, but editing another person's userpage is against the rules so it is kinda painful to actually do. I will plan on adding many at the same time to so there isn't a huge reason to edit it every time I upload one. BF10 (talk) 23:32, 20 April 2018 (BST)
Oh. One more thing: if you didn't know this already, the Windows 95 shutdown screen actually has a beta variant (found in Chicago Build 462 AFAIK), as well as a DOS variant (the latter of which is shown if the LOGOS.SYS file can't be found). There are also several translations. -- 00:38, 21 April 2018 (BST)
I'll plan to add those, but I can't upload multiple files in one run so it will take a while. Expect it done within the next few days. BF10 (talk) 14:36, 21 April 2018 (BST)

Did you know Windows 10 has a Safe to Shutdown screen? -- User:yellows111

It's still this, but since Windows powers down the video instead after build 8102, it's pretty much unused unless you dig in the system files. BF10 (talk) 23:22, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Even if that is true, I can get an actual image with QEMU, and it shows the text — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yellows111 (talkcontribs)


lol, im an idiot, thanks for fixing. --Meow2004 (talk) 17:27, 22 August 2018 (BST)

No problem. I sometimes encounter that too when the "png" becomes all capital when I port the images from Virtual PC (I use Windows XP VM to run Virtual PC). BF10 (talk) 17:30, 22 August 2018 (BST)

Where did you find LH 4005 WinUnleaked screenshots?

I cannot seem to find them anywhere.--ATeamInc (talk) 14:34, 28 August 2018 (BST)

I thought you got those from WinUnleaked and not BA. I'll remove that speck of information. At least TCB has a lot of images of the build including the setup. BF10 (talk) 14:51, 28 August 2018 (BST)

Thanks, BF10

Thank you BF10 for finding the place where 5086 was demonstrated! I kept searching for a bit and I wasn't able to find anything (I was searching for places IE 7 was demonstrated). Actually, from a quick search, in the Gnomedex '05 conference, IE 7 was indeed demonstrated (that buildtag gets credit).--ATeamInc (talk) 17:25, 29 August 2018 (BST)

A Channel9 video featured this build at about its half, the buildtag is not visible (really low quality) but they said that they will feature this build at gnomedex the next day. Interesting! This video actually showcases the new IE 7 beta. --ATeamInc (talk) 18:37, 29 August 2018 (BST)

Add a summary for your edits

Although it is not necessary, it helps me not having to look onto each edit and makes revising WAY easier. Please add a minor summary at least for your edits. Thanks. --ATeamInc (talk) 19:45, 4 September 2018 (BST)

Help with adding images to articles...

Hello, so I have been trying to upload some images to a page I am currently creating, but I'm having bit of a problem with doing that. Yes, you probably recognize me from WinWorld, I came here because I just like to try out other sites, such as this one. Back on topic, I'm posting here because last night I uploaded an image for a page I'm creating about a Windows XP build, and my image got deleted as I found a message by you, BF10, about the file deletion, and because you seem to be an expert at working with articles on this Wiki. So what I'm asking is, how do I embed files in BetaWiki articles?

P.S. I didn't resize the screenshot, I cropped it to just the desktop using Adobe Photoshop, because the snapshot feature in VirtualBox, the hypervisor I was using, wasn't working at the time, so I just took an entire screenshot of my screen using the Windows+PrtScn key trick, and then cropped the image. --JonathonWyble (talk)

First of all, when you upload files you must give it unique name, and not something common like "Image.jpg", "Desktop.png", or "Longhorn4094.png". I also recommend that your images are in true scale and is not a jpg. Secondly, after you upload an image you must add it to an infobox or gallery and add its filename onto there. For example:
Image1.png|Boot screen
Windows-XP-5.2.3790.8320-Media-Player.png|Windows Media Player
</gallery> add it in a gallery and...

{{ Infobox Windows build 
|image = image.png //Desktop image
|buildtag = 6.0.4029.Lab06_n.030703-1600 //buildtag
|version = Longhorn //version
|arch = x86, x64, ARM, PPC, ia64 //CPU architectures on which the build is avaliable (leaked/released)
|sku = Server<br>Home Edition //SKUs in which the build is avaliable (leaked/released), preferably from low-end to high-end
|bios = 2099-12-31 //Expected BIOS date (do not add this on RTM pages)
|key = 12345-67890-ABCDE-FGHIJ-KLMNO //Product key required when installing (IMPORTANT: do not add this on RTM pages!)
|timebomb = 2100-12-31 (+365 days) //If the build has timebomb, when it ends (+ number of days after compilation)
|winver = Winver.png //Screenshot of winver or about dialog in older windows
|rivals = //Use the rivals template to link pages on TCB & BA
}} add desktop and About dialogs into an infobox. If necessary, you can also use


to add a single image. See Guidelines for more details. BF10 (talk) 22:25, 27 October 2018 (BST)

Something regarding my pictures

In response to a recent message I got from you, regarding pictures I took for Windows 2000 Build 1509, I am posting here to tell you what really happened. I was not using Bochs, I was using VirtualBox, but I didn't have 256 colors. Plus I couldn't get the virtual machine to be 1024x768, because VirtualBox VMs are always locked at 640x480. I tried installing VirtualBox Guest Additions, but I couldn't. So what I'm saying is, I was just doing what I was doing because it was all I got. Therefore, I may install guest additions for VirtualBox, so that I can take screenshots of my VMs in a better quality. But when I tried to install them, it just kept halting. So what I'm asking is, how exactly do you install VBox Guest Additions the proper way? --JonathonWyble , 30 October 2018

VirutalBox isn't locked to 640x480... and why are you even using VirtualBox? It doesn't support anything before XP. VMware however, supports things before XP til 95. --LilShootDawg (talk) 15:39, 30 October 2018 (GMT)
Yes, use either VMware, 86Box, or QEMU, since they are capable of having support for Windows 2000 OSes. Alternatively, you can use the VirtualBox NT 3.1 VGA Graphics adapter card since the correct one is compatible with NT 3.1 through Windows 7. BF10 (talk) 16:54, 30 October 2018 (GMT)
It's a miniport driver, not adapter. --Ovctvct (talk) 10:56, 31 October 2018 (GMT)
Okay, I will install Guest Additions for VirtualBox, this time I will do it the proper way. I got the tip from the VirtualBox forums. Also, VirtualBox actually can emulate OSes older than Windows XP, I've seen a lot of VirtualBox tutorials that show proof. Anyway, I will update the screenshots on the Windows 2000 Build 1509 article, and these images will be in 256 colors. --JonathonWyble (talk) 5:00, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
It can EMULATE them but their DRIVERS aren't supported with anything before XP. --LilShootDawg (talk) 13:13, 31 October 2018 (GMT)


I'm now your friend because I have seen so many of your contributions. You have made BetaWiki better. Now, if you're going to be away for a while, I'll be your substitute. LarryTN7722 (talk) 12:49, 21 November 2018 (GMT)

About your user page

In your favourite betas section, you listed sp1 as your favourite windows vista beta, but sp1 isn't a beta?--SArAmTaCoJeSUs (talk) 23:23, 23 November 2018 (GMT)

About your delete request

I just want to let you know that the following articles on your delete request have been deleted. -- 18:55, 17 March 2019 (UTC) Windows Longhorn build 4002 (Lab04 N)

Windows Longhorn build 4003

Windows Longhorn build 4028

Windows Vista build 5004

Windows XP build 2455

Windows XP build 2464

Windows XP build 2493

Windows XP build 2239

Norton Commander Image

Hey, I'm wondering if you (or someone else whos an admin or has permissions) can put the logo of Norton Commander on the main page?

I can't really find the logo either.

--Meow2004 (talk) 17:53, 22 March 2019 (UTC)


The user LilShootDawg was swearing on his talk page.
Proof--MCpillager (talk) (Sandbox) 06:57, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

And he also insulted Sebono just because he made a mistake.--MCpillager (talk) (Sandbox) Me discover fire, invent wheel, build server. 12:00, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
You do have to click move and then change the letter. It's not just a click. You have to use the keyboard to type. --LilShootDawg (talk) 12:40, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

NeXTStep template

Can you fix the Template:Infobox NextStep build template? --MCpillager (talk) (Sandbox) elcomeway otay etawikibay ! 07:04, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

EDIT: Can you delete this topic? I didn't check properly. --MCpillager (talk) (Sandbox) elcomeway otay etawikibay ! 07:06, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Mac OS Thing

Ok, it's been awhile since I have installed it, and I thought it was Mac OS X Server. Thanks for clarifying. Also are you sure the date is correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meow2004 (talkcontribs)

Yes, the date is correct according to the uname -v command. BF10 (talk) 00:40, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Server 2016 build 10513's edit summary

If you have seen my first edit summary on the Windows Server 2016 build 10513 page, I'm sorry that I overreacted towards your grammar and spelling. Arkan9 (talk) 05:18, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

$OEM$ glitch on eHome Vista builds and Control Panel glitch in 5382, 5384.4 and 5461

1. Does that glitch still happen on later eHome builds, such as 5329, 5355, 5435, 5477 and on a real computer?

Can someone please confirm?

I do not have any real computers that I can test any Vista build on, only VMWare.

2. Also another thing, while using VMWare Workstation 14 on my Windows 10 computer, I noticed something while testing 5382, 5384.4 and 5461.

When I installed those builds, (with and without the eHome tools in the cases of 5382 and 5461), upon restarting the VM, the Control Panel... just stopped working for no reason whatsoever, it would not even open. Arkan9 (talk) 18:18, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

When I first did my testing on those builds, I used VirtualBox which installs all builds except 5308 and 5310 flawlessly without any errors (although you don't get Aero or those other goodies). I didn't encounter the Control Panel problem, but I did experience that on eHome builds, you need to either delete those files or choose the standard installer or it will fail as it tries to install the eHome features. BF10 (talk) 18:29, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

I do not encounter any problems on any of the eHome builds. (except 5284 of course).

So what could be stopping it in VirtualBox?

While in VMWare, these builds install effortlessly, with or without using the eHome installer. Arkan9 (talk) 18:38, 19 April 2019 (UTC)


"I have no plans of doing Anniversary Update or Server TP5 or later builds." Why though? --Sebono (talk) 13:50, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Like I said, too many builds for too little change and they take up a lot of space. I will likely do other OSes or do wiki housekeeping. BF10 (talk) 13:53, 21 April 2019 (UTC)


BF10, I want to edit my user page but I can't. Can you fix this for me please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

This is no longer allowed on BetaWiki, see BetaWiki:Community portal#New restrictions on user pages --Ryuzaki (talk | contribs) 11:52, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
You need a user account to make userpages. BF10 (talk) 12:56, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Edit for guidelines

One of the shots in the screenshot section is misspelled, it says good shoot instead of good shot. So I need to edit it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by SorryForGibberish (talkcontribs)

You can't edit the guidelines. Instead, leave a request on the admin noticeboard.--ATeamInc (talk) 18:13, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


Thanks for the help on AlphaBeta's talk. Accept my new file since it actually meets the BetaWiki:Guidelines. MarioMario456 (talk) 19:35, 21 August 2019 (UTC)


Hello BF10, I wanted to ask you what program you used to virtualize some pre-release builds, like the Windows Whistler or Windows NT 5.0 builds. Thank you very much for answer. I also panning istall some of the builds. -- ToMi (talk) 12:13, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

I usually use 86Box. And yes, I'm patient with waiting 30-45 minutes for each build to install. BF10 (talk) 12:29, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
OK, thank you, i tried these build install on Virtual PC 2007, but the mouse are cutting up. -- ToMi (talk) 12:31, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
I can also ask if these versions can be emulated in a better program (except for VirtualBox or VMware)? 86box cannot run automatically ISO files. -- ToMi (talk) 13:19, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
EDIT: OK, you can give me a tutorial how to install Chicago builds in 86Box (how type of machine and other), please? -- ToMi (talk) 18:17, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Here's a starter guide I made. BF10 (talk) 18:42, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
I installed Chicago build 73g (Intel Premiere/PCI II, Pentium 75, 8MB RAM, 500MB HDD, Tseng ET4000). When i clicking anyway (example: My Computer) in the VM, the Chicago stop responding. Its a graphics error or i selected bag configuration? -- ToMi (talk) 09:39, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
EDIT: You can provide me a list of configurations that you used to the Windows 3.0 MME and Chicago builds please? I still can't do it. :/ -- ToMi (talk) 10:18, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
It can. --Ryuzaki (talk | contribs) 13:13, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
And he'll show them to me? -- ToMi (talk) 06:39, 31 August 2019 (UTC)


Hello, I would like to ask you what drivers you used for Windows 2.0. You used TVGA8990D? Thank you. -- ToMi (talk) The 86Box User 15:00, 5 September 2019 (UTC)


Build 2467 is leaked in server only, also it's not a new build. This build was used changed DOSNET.INF and TweakNT to change server SKU to a Professional SKU and that's mean the build is fake and OS mod. It goes also to crap client builds like 2464 and 2493, that are deleted now. Caveria (talk) 18:07, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Alright, first of all, I recommend joining the Discord server as we have had more information about build 2467.
Next, this build is not TweakNT'd, as if it were, it wouldn't even include System Restore and all the client goodies like games. This build was originally found on and we quickly found that it wasn't TweakNT'd but rather a modified build 2465. The fact that it's a lot more closer to the real build 2467 than a SKU swap makes it worth documenting more than the SKU swaps. Alongside, 2467 also had some presumed images from KenOath on BetaArchive, making it still document-able.
The reason I still included the KenOath screenshots is because it was floating around for a long time and many people thought it could be passed along to a real build. 2464 and 2493 on the other hand has no images from KenOath or another source that makes it look legit. BF10 (talk) 18:46, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
OK! I understand this. Another thing I've found with build 2493 with files from build 2486. Caveria (talk) 19:56, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Where did you found link to install Windows Vista build 6002.16489? All links are broken!

Look above. Caveria (talk) 18:36, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

It's on BetaArchive. BF10 (talk) 18:41, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for info and I found this build! Caveria (talk) 20:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Is the build new?--Winins (talk) 11:06, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes. It apparently leaked in late July.
Arkan9 (talk) 11:10, 8 December 2019 (UTC)


I think I know you from Scratch. -- TheAwesome98 14:10, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Windows Longhorn build 4080 x64 - Is it real?

While browsering up I have found Windows Longhorn Build 4080 x64 (Professional) screenshot! Is it real? Strix (talk) 09:18, 16 February 2020 (UTC)


Windows Neptune 5118-5120……It's just that there are still doubts.

5118 5119 5120 Derived from Betaarchive。 — Preceding unsigned comment added by RaDashApJack (talkcontribs)

Windows 7 build 6608

Hey, Windows 98 build 1400 and Windows 2000 build 1515.1 already introduced the Show Desktop button. Yue Ling (talk) 06:44, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

"This is the first time the Show Desktop button has appeared on the taskbar ever since build X"--Winins (talk) 07:10, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Large talk page

Your talk page has become very large, so you might want to archive some of it. -Meow (talk) 20:36, 18 May 2020 (UTC)