BetaWiki:Community portal/Archive 13

Can someone make a 1440 x 900 version of https://betawiki.net/wiki/File:7850_chk_startscreen.png?

It's not matching the other start screen image in resolution, and we had this image for almost 5 years now, so a change could be nice. 2600:1011:A108:DC35:C402:D91E:E1FB:406F 07:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

While it probably makes some sense to have things unified for better consistency and understandability, it's also to note that we should have many other files being replaced if we force images to be taken at a specific resolution. It's only required to be at least 1024x768, though some people actually treated that as a requirement, so you see many images of nt6/nt10 builds taken at 1024x768, even if the fullscreen format wasn't widespread anymore. The other start screen image used to be fullscreen only, and I replaced it back then with a 1440x900 image because the widescreen format was already widespread enough for this era, and the start screen fits better for widescreen resolutions rather than fullscreen, given most touch devices did have a widescreen-formatted touchscreen equipped back then. - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk - 23:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Early Windows RT builds

Recently, we got a number of Windows 8/RT builds in a very short timespan, that are very similar to Windows 7, especially 7792. I would like to simply ask what can be done with them at their current state other than just testing them, like, would some software run on them? Can these builds make WinRT devices more useful, faster or more pleasant to use, for example by patching DWM? I know they're older than regular RT. AlfCraft07 21:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

So far, they can't be ran on Windows RT devices due to the fact that drivers don't exist for the surface RT tablet in these builds. Abc123 (talk) 22:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

they can run now, including 7822 2001:F90:6019:A8F7:D451:CA17:D53F:99D8 12:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Username change request

im requesting a name change to ZacharyFDS. can someone pls do so Discrim5958 (talk) 12:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Staging Windows builds

All the recently leaked ARM Windows 8 builds' images come unstaged, and thus they are missing important Windows files, even explorer. To build the full image, it needs to be staged, but my question is, how do you do it? I searched on the internet, but wasn't able to find anything, so I would give a huge thanks to anyone who tells me how to do it. AlfCraft07 10:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Follow these steps:

1. Mount the unstaged image

2. Create a XML file to install the image:

3. Run these commands respectively:

DISM /image:<mount-dir> /apply-unattend:<path-to-xml-file> /logpath:<optional-logpath>

DISM /image:<mount-dir> /add-package /packagepath:<path-to-lp.cab>

4. Commit and unmount WIM.

5. Done

XPSrv (talk) 11:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC) For XML image:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<unattend xmlns="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:unattend">
    <servicing>
        <package action="install">
            <assemblyIdentity name="Microsoft-Windows-PlaceHolder1Edition" version="PlaceHolder2" processorArchitecture="arm" publicKeyToken="31bf3856ad364e35" language="neutral" />
            <source location="D:\packages\PlaceHolder1.mum" />
        </package>
    </servicing>
</unattend>

Sorry, but where do I find the language pack CAB to install? This XML didn't work, so I used the Ultimate one included with the image. AlfCraft07 12:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Lp.cab is under \langpacks\en-us\. Also you are supposed to edit XML values. For example Ultimate for PlaceHolder1 and 6.1.7792.0 for PlaceHolder2.

XPSrv (talk) 12:42, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh ok. Does it matter if I used the one already included with the image? AlfCraft07 12:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean by already included with the image? XPSrv (talk) 12:46, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

By "already included in the image" I mean the Ultimate.xml inside the "packages" folder of the unstaged WIM. AlfCraft07 13:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

That's a different Ultimate.xml file with different content. So, nope. XPSrv (talk) 13:02, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I discarded the old image, and tried to stage it all over again with your XML code, changed accordingly. DISM gives error 32 (file is used by another process). What can I do to fix it? The MUM file the XML links to is the one inside the packages folder inside the WIM. AlfCraft07 17:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Nevermind, I was able to apply the unattend file by flashing the WIM to a VHD first. Time to install! AlfCraft07 19:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Ok, so I was able to stage the build as I said earlier, I was finally able to create boot files and create a VHD with 7898. I added the necessary settings modifications with BCDEdit (from the guide for build 7915) but, when booting with Disable Driver Signature Enforcement, it loads the Loading Windows Files screen, but then just locks up. Did I do anything wrong? AlfCraft07 19:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

If you didn't get any error during staging image, it must be a build-specific bug and I'm unable to help on build-specific errors. Sorry about that. XPSrv (talk) 19:46, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, after flashing the WIM to a VHD, everything went smooth as butter. What kind of configuration was needed by build 7792 after staging?

I used roughly the same batch file as 7915 to run this build. AlfCraft07 19:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

About Windows 10 builds

how come you guys aren't adding the windows 10 Cumulative Update Preview builds like 19045.4894 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.146.36.211 (talk • contribs)

That's a security bugfix for CVE-2024-38014. Featureless CUs don't deserve a place on the wiki per previous community consensus - hell, it's even listed as such in our guidelines. - pivotman319 (📫) 22:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

How do I create a proper watercolor.css?

I have gotten tired of seeing this Watercolor.css, so I want to make my own using a very green looking Watercolor with the BW logo as used on the Vector Legacy (2010) theme. Shams1917 (talk) 20:01, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

You can start with making the User:Shams1917/watercolor.css page and making edits. You do need some CSS experience though, needless to say. Try looking at other users watercolor.css for some ideas. BF10 (talk) 23:50, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Usage of <code>

It is starting to seem very clear that people here will always use <code> instead of <code style="word-break: break-word"> for reg files, even after the many pages edited with this change. I have changed multiple pages to use <code style="word-break: break-word"> instead of <code> and I thought people would learn, but turns out that is not the case. How do we make this usable at times when there is a registry file or a really long directory? 37.39.146.11 03:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your effort but I don't think expecting people to add the style just because you added it to a bunch of articles is reasonable. Not all people understand CSS and it can be time consuming to look up the attribute to get it right. In fact, the idea that any contribution done in good faith is a good contribution and there is no expectation to "learn" is the very nature of wikis - anybody can come and add information, and if it doesn't look the best, more experienced editors will come and improve upon it. Anyway this is something that should really go to MediaWiki:Common.css rather than be added inline to each code block. --Ryuzaki (talk | contribs) 09:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Windows XP supports amd64

The chart https://betawiki.net/wiki/Microsoft_Windows#Supported_platforms here under Supported Platforms suggests that Windows XP does not support amd64, but thye made a specific build called x64 edition — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myth (talk • contribs)

If you had botherd to check the note list, you would know that it's referring to the original release from 2001 only, and the fact that the AMD64 release is just a version of Windows Server 2003 with XP branding and whatnot. Degrader (talk) 20:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

XP x64 is actually based on Server 2003. --Ryuzaki (talk | contribs) 20:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Then why are XP and Server 2003 not one entry? Since Server 2003 is based on XP and the other server releases are merged with their home counterparts, they should be merged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myth (talk • contribs)

Because Server 2003 has a newer codebase and xpclient branch forked from main branch after build 2522. After that,changes in Server 2003 line were reverse-integrated into main line and the main line build number jumped to 3xxx.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ephedra (talk • contribs)

sounds a little confusing, but — what would build numbers do to the base architecture of the OS? 2001:F90:6019:2D6A:5C08:A756:4EE9:EE4 00:26, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Arm7 QEMU emulation

Please can anyone provide me with the tegra2_qemu emulator as I need to emulate Windows RT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SomerandomWindowsguy (talk • contribs)

A download link together with all the necessary tools and a guide are included in every Windows 8 ARM build's page. AlfCraft07 11:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Well I meant a compiled set of tools not the source code. — Preceding unsigned comment added by somerandomWindowsguy (talk • contribs)

If you’re on Windows, they will just work. You need to compile the Tegra2 QEMU only if you’re running macOS or Linux. AlfCraft07 09:07, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Well can tou give it to me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:E280:3E2A:1CE:48AB:A21:D6E9:513B (talk • contribs)

As I said. Go to an ARM build's page. Open that Installation section and click the link. Oh nevermind, I understand now. To download the Tegra2 QEMU, go to Actions, select the first option. Click on Summary, and then download either the dynamic or static build (both will work). If you have a low resolution display I recommend the static build as the dynamic locks up in full screen. AlfCraft07 12:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Suggestion: Add common pages for windows codenames

basically, it's info about the development of the codename, the infobox has the image of the most popular build, its dev time (reset time also if needed) and other things. it can be the main source of info for the codename, including the features that were in the most builds but got removed in the release, and more, 1st common page to get added: longhorn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1011:A115:3B92:6592:336D:F191:A8EA (talk • contribs)

List of Microsoft codenames literally documents every known Microsoft codename in the simplest way as possible. Additionally:

• Adding these codenames does not mean we have truely found the origins of them. Codenames does not really have true origins in the past.
• The Windows Vista page has already documented the Longhorn project and the reset. Making another page would just be useless whatever.

60.246.151.0 13:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) — last updated 21:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

How much time is needed to upload a image to BetaWiki?

I really want to know. As I am new — Preceding unsigned comment added by UsernameNotAvaliable (talk • contribs)

BW:FAQ has the information 2001:F90:40A0:F84:58CB:553E:223F:6897 13:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

"Windows Insider Blog" rival

In my opinion, putting official announcement in a separate external links section in Windows 10 and 11 pages is pretty weird and makes the page clutter. So, an WIB rival would be a nice addition, and it also helps shorten the page too.

— Preceding SIGNED comment added by insomnia {{ talk • contribs}} | 15:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

First, I am not sure how it makes the page cluttered if it's literally in a separate section towards the end of the page. Not to mention "helping shorten the page" is not really a benefit, either. If anything, the rivals should be moved to external links since that's the common practice on other wikis. --Ryuzaki (talk | contribs) 16:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Per myself. — Preceding SIGNED comment added by insomnia {{ talk • contribs}} | 15:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
2. Cool Idea! I support this idea. Adrikikicp (talk) 20:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
3. I also agree it is useful. TechActivate 781 (talk) 16:24, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
4. AlfCraft07 20:36, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Recommended Windows 8 beta builds for daily use?

I know there were a lot of Windows 8 betas leaked and shared after a month. But what build is recommended to install? My dad has a x86 Lenovo laptop going around, which means the build must have x86 architecture. - Leon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leon (talk • contribs) 20:11, 17 December 2024‎ (UTC)

No builds from whatever (including Windows 10 / 11 Insider Preview builds) are suitable for daily use, they tend to be unstable and oldest ones might not work properly due to timebombs. But I reccomend you the build 8513 because it's close to the RTM (it's an RTM Escrow) or Developer Preview, Consumer preview or Release preview. Adrikikicp (talk) 20:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

to Adrikikicp - I can get a debombed Windows 8 beta iso or i can do the debombing manually. I would try your reccomendations on a VM to see which is the best, and then run Rufus and flash my ISO to my USB - Leon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leon (talk • contribs) 12:33, 18 December 2024‎ (UTC)

I would say e- nvm i'm not gonna help someone who wants to main outdated betas 188.236.235.241

Build 9200 or 9600. -Degrader (talk) 15:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't recommend those builds as they are early in their development and potentially corrupt/destroy your device. -UsernameNotAvaliable

9200 and 9600 aren't early; they are the RTMs of Windows 8 and 8.1. TechActivate 781 (talk) 16:23, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

can 9200.16456 or 7700 still work normally even if they were unstable? 60.246.151.0 22:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC) — last edited 13:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

From my experience, 7905 isn't that unstable but some programs seem to use more CPU than when running on Windows 7. For 7989, it didn't cause issues and has good stability on my computer but explorer has a chance of crashing when redpilled. 8014 and 8032 are not recommended (especially 8014) because many programs that work in 7989 or earlier or 8056 or later doesn't work or crash. As for 8056 it seems to be stable as 7989 but can also run many programs that require Windows 8/8.1 and don't support Windows 7 such as Node.js version 18.x. However Electron based programs doesn't seem to work and throw incorrect Side-by-side error unlike 7905. 길고 (talk) 10:23, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

None. Do NOT use a beta build as your daily driver. If you'd like to intsall it on a secondary device for fun, sure, but you should not be running a beta build on your daily driver, as you'll encounter a lot of bugs and quirks and such. Mainnn (talk) 14:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

To put it simply, none. As others had pointed out, beta builds tend to have bugs and incompatibility/insecurity issues that impact your experience from slightly to greatly. As for the case of 8 builds, even though the timebomb is much tamer, it still shouldn't be used to daily drive, for the reasons above. If you really want to try one for daily driving, then sure, but then you'll regret it soon. If you really want to do it but scared of the issues, set it up on a VM or your secondary device. Personally, maining 10/11 Insider builds are acceptable, only if you're responsible for all of the damages you cause to your computer. — Preceding SIGNED comment added by insomnia {{ talk • contribs}} | 15:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

those are unstable, may have vulnerabilities and are unfinished. do not use for a main pc, as it may result in loss of work. you can use it for a vm if you want to test malwares or shit on it — Preceding unsigned comment added by S2F (talk • contribs) 14:46, 24 December 2024

can someone link that one windows vista/7 taskbar evolution video?

it's basically a bunch of windows 7 builds with the only thing on the images being the taskbars, and i remember a lot of those in the video, i also think it was a microsoft/pdc video, not one of those fan videos. 2600:1011:A108:DC35:554F:3C52:A31E:BFB0 02:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

You would have to find this video yourself — the Abuse filter would block me for adding social media names 2001:F90:6019:2D6A:5C08:A756:4EE9:EE4 00:22, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Whether the Windows 8 beta's gow effect is intended or a bug

from around build 7861 to 803X the glow effect is different from Windows 7 as it spreads to fill the whole title bar, but is this actually intended or a bug? Since it looks awkward when using Firefox/Pale Moon with themes that utilize extended DWM client area to use Aero on the address bar area the bottom part of the title bar glow just cuts off. --— Preceding unsigned comment added by 길고 (talk • contribs)

Extended confirmed requirement change

Should the extended confirmed requirement be changed from 30 days and 500 edits to 30 days and 200 edits. This is because 500 edits is too many for a small wiki community. UsernameDotPeeAitchPee (talk) 04:00, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

How can I delete my account?

I suggest to you a new vanishing process which does the following:

1. Deletes your userpage, user subpages, user talk pages and user talk subpages
2. Your username will be changed to something like Vanished user gibberish or Renamed user gibberish
3. Your new username may be hidden from contributions for privacy

WinEdit (talk)

In MediaWiki, there is no support for account deletion, but you can make a user from a regular account to an IP addres from what I have heard. Slovensky2000 (talk) 02:06, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Or you can just stop using your account. Mainnn (talk) 06:10, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Get paid for editing BetaWiki?

Ever since December 2007, YouTube launched its partner program which is awesome! When will BetaWiki ever get a partner program and what are the eligibility requirements.

Suggested eligibility requirements (feel free to change these)

• 30 days of editing
• 200 edits (must be mainspace or reverting vandalism)
• 1 mainspace page creation
• 3 uploads
• 4 edits in past 30 days

WinEdit (talk) 02:21, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

PFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT MAKING MONEY FROM EDITING A FUCKING WIKI?????? Slovensky2000 (talk) 02:32, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

do not call our wiki as "bad" — who will leak these Windows 8 builds if there is no BetaWiki? The company get money because users must pay for the Premium membership. Our website will never have premium memberships, since BetaWiki is intended to be a free encyclopedia for Windows versions. If you have to pay the money for a single long-term membership, then the wiki’s intend also doesn’t fit. 60.246.151.0 02:53, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

I never said it was bad tho? I was just saying its so ridiculous to get paid for editing a wiki, BetaWiki is not a company, and if they do this they'll probably be bankrupt in a few months after this happens Slovensky2000 (talk) 03:03, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

This isn't how life works Orangera1n (talk | edits) 02:55, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

The only thing you'll be paid here is some ice cream and a Nintendo DS game :P -- Degrader 💬 | 📝 | ❓

given how much different the ethical views of BW and YT are, I won't think you'll have any success with that suggestion. - Bob2204 Click here to begin. Or here. Talk - 03:08, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

where are we even supposed to get money from Mainnn (talk) 05:42, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

who stops you from posting donations link from your userpage? i'm too lazy for following the requirements anyway Spyonclear (talk) 06:32, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

No - pivotman319 (📫) 11:21, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Updating Windows Vista, 7 and 8.1's latest builds with the actual latest builds instead of the RTM

Is it acceptable if I change the latest build value in the infoboxes in the Windows Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 pages to their actual latest non-ESU and ESU rollup builds? I know I can just do it, but want to know if other people here accept this, as it's more accurate. I won't create any pages for these rollups. AlfCraft07 19:45, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

How to become in these user groups?

I want to know how to become a Bureaucrat, CheckUser, Interface Administrator, Moderator, Suppressor, Administrator and Upload Wizard Campaign Editor. 94.242.50.82 06:18, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

the only thing you can do is... nothing, lol. Unless you could convince an admin to give you one of these roles (which i think you can never do), there's nothing you can do. — Preceding SIGNED comment added by insomnia {{ talk • contribs}} | 05:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC)