Talk:Windows Vista

I'm sorry but there are a few more builds to be added; 5203 (unconfirmed), 5342 (leaked winmain compile) and 5487 (also unconfirmed, but screenshots exist). Tau Ceti (talk) 07:03, 14 November 2014 (GMT)

Interesting bit of trivia

Did you know that for some time after the Longhorn development reset the project was known as Omega-13? This is a reference to the film Galaxy Quest (better known for the line 'Never give up, never surrender!') and its resetting device, in reflection of the fact that Microsoft was going to reset their project. Tau Ceti (talk) 08:36, 14 November 2014 (GMT)

The page is now unlocked. --AlphaBeta (talk) 17:00, 16 November 2014 (GMT)

Thank you! I can't believe it! The first I will do is to rewrite the description as it is taken from BetaArchive wiki. --Tau Ceti (talk) 06:11, 18 November 2014 (GMT)

Build 4074 availability

Is build 4074 really the only build available from Microsoft in that time? Source? --Yue Ling (talk) 06:18, 26 March 2019 (UTC) Yue Ling (talk) 06:18, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

It's not, 4051 was just as "public" as 4074 was. I've updated the article to reflect this. Hounsell (talk) 16:44, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Windows Starter 2007

In Windows Vista builds 53xx, at the Microsoft Pre-Release Software License Terms, Windows Vista Starter are labelled as "Windows Starter 2007 Beta 1". Do you have an idea why this was labelled like that? --Spyonclear (talk) 16:54, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Opiniona on Vista

So I think Vista wasn't the best but it was not the worst, I think if Vista was released in 2011 maybe, it would had been a huge success, releasing Longhorn in 2003 based on the Server 2003 codebase, 7 released in 2007, a version in 2009 and then Vista in 2011 Dieguito0512 (talk) 14:45, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

"releasing Longhorn in 2003" "Vista in 2011" you do realize that Longhorn still would've been Vista, reset or not? ChanceManRox (talk) 14:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but my point was that in 2011, computers of that era would have been capable enough to run Vista without breaking much of a sweat Dieguito0512 (talk) 14:41, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Renaming Longhorn to Vista

Is it okay? I see pre-reset Server 2008 builds having the same name, but can I rename pre-reset Longhorn to Vista? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Random183282 (talk • contribs)

What? No. Xeno (talk) 13:22, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Why not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Random183282 (talk • contribs)

For starters, where do you see Server 2008 Pre-Reset being referred to as "Vista" Xeno (talk) 13:41, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Do note that we previously had pre-reset builds placed on a Windows Longhorn page which has since been long merged to this page. We will not be planning to revert this merge. BF10 (talk) 13:46, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

I think what he means is that he wants all "Longhorn" references to be replaced with "Vista", which is also a no. --ATeamInc (talk) 13:59, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Build 3663/3670 existence

Builds 3663 and 3670 may probably exist, it isn't sure yet though. Let's discuss if we must keep or drop them. Also, we may not know if they are milestone 2 or 3 builds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techman (talk • contribs)

If they may probably exist and we may not know if they are Milestone 2 then why do you keep making edits that mark them as such?! --Ryuzaki (talk | contribs) 15:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

ReflectiaX Longhorn demos - new builds

Hi all, so I was going through the ReflectiaX Longhorn demos, and I found some other Longhorn builds, more namely: - Build 6.0.4091.0_main.040726-1716 (ximage program) - Build 6.0.4092.0_private-lab06_dev_foundationbld4act.040813-0037 (various audio-related things, with also Movie Maker 3, Burn this CD program, Windows Media Component Setup) - Build 6.0.4091.2_private-Lab06_devsnaptab.040805-1204 (for penservice.exe and wipstis_.exe) - Build 6.0.4050.0 (Sticky Notes and Snipper)

Would these builds be a worth addition to the wiki? If so, how can I add them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fraaaa4 (talk • contribs)

File versions are not a necessary indication of a build. Plus, buildlist strings are not welcome on the wiki as far as I can tell (i.e without screenshots or some real proof). --ATeamInc (talk) 23:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

3663/3670

Please stop fighting over it. We don't know if these builds are M2 or M3. Several community members say that M1/M2 was only planning while others claim that these builds are M2. It already is a controversial topic. --ATeamInc (talk) 13:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

UX.Unleaked says these builds are M3. Can't tell if the members who dispute that have any evidence to back their views, but I would rather trust a guy who had contacts inside MS back in 2004 and held a dozen Longhorn unleaked builds rather than some nonames on the internet. --Ryuzaki (talk | contribs) 12:31, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Re: Sound scheme myth

Just to clarify, based on my findings, the allged sounds didn't come from NeoSounds' "Deep Fantasy" sound scheme, the sounds in which arecompletely different from the former.

https://twitter.com/ReturnsLeon/status/1464064162682875937 --DmitriLeon2000 (talk) 00:18, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

4005 Start Page

Does the Start Page exist in build 4005? It doesn't say on the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by CookieZC (talk • contribs)

5358 Build

On a beta build of Windows Media Player 11 (surprisingly, works on Windows XP Service Pack 3), it said it came from a certain post-reset build under the number of 5358. Is this unleaked or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PTEVENA (talk • contribs)

Why would it be called Vista?

I wonder why?Abdullah Naeem (talk) 00:14, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

The reason for that name was: 'Vista' creates the right imagery for the new product capabilities and inspires the imagination with all the possibilities of what can be done with Windows – making people's passions come alive. — Jim Allchin, 2005. NaraInsider1694 (talk) 01:56, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Longhorn Milestone 8

Pre-reset builds compiled after 4074 (i.e. 4081 to 4093) were focused primarily on componentization should be denoted as Milestone 8, rather than Milestone 7. There are several reasons for this.

1.) A comment from Melcher seen in this Windows on Windows video on 4093 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3f8YEvcmA4 timestamp 3:28) that refers to internal MS docs denoting the immediate post-reset period as Milestone 8.2 (implying an M8.0/M8.1 pre-reset) 2.) It's simply unreasonable to think that Milestone 7 stretched for basically an entire year from late 2003 to August 2004 when all of the other milestones were significantly shorter

Also, see several sources from Paul Thurrott, who has always had an inside view into Microsoft's development.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050207045511/http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/longhorn_preview_2004.asp - The Road to Windows Longhorn 2004 (the below text is circa November 2004) Currently, the Longhorn team has exited the "milestone" phase of development, denoted by releases with names like M8, M8.1, and M8.2, and has entered a pre-Beta 1 cycle known internally as D1.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050303031430/http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/longhorn_preview_2005.asp - The Road to Windows Longhorn 2005 (the below text is circa January 2005) Longhorn Milestone 9 (M9) and platform complete March 2005

Those two sources together suggest to me that the period immediately after reset is indeed Milestone 8.2, and then they shifted into Milestone 9 / D1 which lasted until March 2005 (i.e. it lasted until 5048 was finished, which was compiled on April 1 but was behind the "cutting edge" builds at the time).

Then take this image (https://web.archive.org/web/20070130152154/http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/winvista_rtg_04_01.jpg) from the Windows Vista Road to Gold January 2005 edition, which lists Milestone 8.2 as ending on January 12, 2005 and Milestone 9 as ending on March 16, 2005. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptainWillStarblazer (talk • contribs)

I guess it’s fine then Main3782 (talk) 19:09, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

3663/3670 Proposed Categorization

These Two Builds That I Mentioned Are Unconformed, and in the screenshots we see that on the wallpaper there is a logo with the word "Windows Longhorn Alpha", and I created a proposal for a new categorization Called Alpha Or Pre-Milestone 3. Newbieofthiswiki (talk) 00:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

What's wrong with the current categorization? --Ryuzaki (talk | contribs) 12:51, 17 April 2024 (UTC)