https://betawiki.net/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=LePikaDuCoin+YT&feedformat=atomBetaWiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-28T17:22:38ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.39.6https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=168374User:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-09-26T14:08:48Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: /* PC Specs */</p>
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=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
==Links==<br />
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*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|User page]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Talk]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/c/perroquet2008 YouTube Channel (but it’s in French because I am French)]<br />
*Don’t delete, I will continue to edit later<br /><br />
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==Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
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My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
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===PC Specs===<br />
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==== Desktop PC Specs ====<br />
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CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
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RAM: 16 GB<br />
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GPU: Radeon RX 5500 XT 8 GB<br />
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HDD: 1 TB Toshiba Hard Drive<br />
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==== Laptop Specs ====<br />
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CPU: AMD A10-9620P @2.5 Ghz<br />
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RAM: 8 GB<br />
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GPU: Integrated Radeon R5 GPU<br />
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HDD: 1 TB 2.5 inch Toshiba HDD<br />
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==Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page==<br />
=== Winbetas.ml builds ===<br />
==== Windows 10 Build 9789.fbl_partner_eeap.140702-0244 ====<br />
Windows 10 Build 9789 is an unconfirmed build of [[Windows 10]] that was supposedly compiled on the 2nd July of 2014. It does have a timebomb for the 15th July of 2015. The screenshots comes from winbetas.ml. According to the screenshots this build exists in <br />
x86 architecture. The existence proof of the x64 version is unknown.<br />
[[File:Win10Build9789-Desktop.png|thumb|Desktop]]<br />
[[File:Win10Build9789-Demo.png|thumb|Demo]]<br />
[[File:Win10Build9789-Winver.png|thumb|Winver]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=168373User:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-09-26T14:00:00Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: /* Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page */</p>
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=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
==Links==<br />
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*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|User page]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Talk]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/c/perroquet2008 YouTube Channel (but it’s in French because I am French)]<br />
*Don’t delete, I will continue to edit later<br /><br />
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Hello there, internet! There is nothing to see in this part of the page<br />
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==Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
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My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
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===PC Specs===<br />
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CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
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RAM: 16 GB<br />
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GPU: Radeon RX 5500 XT 8 GB<br />
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HDD: 1 TB Toshiba Hard Drive<br />
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==Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page==<br />
=== Winbetas.ml builds ===<br />
==== Windows 10 Build 9789.fbl_partner_eeap.140702-0244 ====<br />
Windows 10 Build 9789 is an unconfirmed build of [[Windows 10]] that was supposedly compiled on the 2nd July of 2014. It does have a timebomb for the 15th July of 2015. The screenshots comes from winbetas.ml. According to the screenshots this build exists in <br />
x86 architecture. The existence proof of the x64 version is unknown.<br />
[[File:Win10Build9789-Desktop.png|thumb|Desktop]]<br />
[[File:Win10Build9789-Demo.png|thumb|Demo]]<br />
[[File:Win10Build9789-Winver.png|thumb|Winver]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Windows_Media_Player_6.4&diff=151669Windows Media Player 6.42021-08-25T20:07:08Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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<div>'''Windows Media Player 6.4''' is a version of [[Windows Media Player]] released in 1999 for [[Windows 95]], [[Windows NT 4]], [[Windows 98]] and [[Windows 2000]]. <br />
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Windows Media Player 6.4 is the last version that is officially compatible with [[Windows NT 4]].<br />
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==References ==<br />
<references /></div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Windows_Media_Player_6.4&diff=151668Windows Media Player 6.42021-08-25T20:06:34Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: Created page with "'''Windows Media Player 6.4''' is a version of Windows Media Player released in 1999 for Windows 95, Windows NT 4, Windows 98 and Windows 2000. Windows M..."</p>
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<div>'''Windows Media Player 6.4''' is a version of [[Windows Media Player]] released in 1999 for [[Windows 95]], [[Windows NT 4]], [[Windows 98]] and [[Windows 2000]]. <br />
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Windows Media Player 6.4 is the last version that is officially compatible with [[Windows 95]] and [[Windows NT 4]].<br />
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== References ==<br />
<references/></div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Windows_10_build_10057&diff=151069Windows 10 build 100572021-08-23T19:34:52Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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'''Windows 10 build 10057''' is a build of [[Windows 10]]. Twitter user Albacore either has or had this build and leaked a single image of it.<ref>https://twitter.com/thebookisclosed/status/590619317118640128</ref><br />
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==References==<br />
<references /></div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Windows_10_build_10057&diff=151068Windows 10 build 100572021-08-23T19:34:35Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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'''Windows 10 build 10057''' is a build of [[Windows 10]]. Twitter user Albacore either has or had this build and leaked a single image of it.<ref>https://twitter.com/thebookisclosed/status/590619317118640128</ref><br />
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== References ==<br />
<references /></div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Windows_10_build_10057&diff=151067Windows 10 build 100572021-08-23T19:34:07Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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'''Windows 10 build 10057''' is a build of [[Windows 10]]. Twitter user Albacore either has or had this build and leaked a single image of it.<ref>https://twitter.com/thebookisclosed/status/590619317118640128</ref><br />
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== References ==<br />
<references /></div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Windows_10_build_10057&diff=151066Talk:Windows 10 build 100572021-08-23T19:33:16Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: Created page with "This page should be deleted because it’s an obvious fake. First this build claims to be a Technical Preview one but 100xx builds aren’t from Technical Preview. Second thin..."</p>
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<div>This page should be deleted because it’s an obvious fake. First this build claims to be a Technical Preview one but 100xx builds aren’t from Technical Preview. Second thing is that the buildtag in the bottom right corner of the desktop doesn’t looks like a 100xx one and the buildtag in winver is complete but it’s normally not complete on a 100xx build</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Windows_11_(original_release)&diff=151000Windows 11 (original release)2021-08-23T14:35:22Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: Undo revision 150877 by Norman (talk) because the build exists</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Windows<br />
|name = Windows 11<br />
|logo = Windows 11 logo and wordmark.svg<br />
|codename = Windows Sun Valley<ref name="sunValley">https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/16/22536375/microsoft-windows-11-default-wallpaper</ref><br />
|devcycle = Cobalt<br />
|image = Windows11-10.0.22000.132-Desktop.png<br />
|family = 11<br />
|version = 21H2<br />
|arch = AMD64, ARM64<br />
|latestbuild = [[Windows 11 build 22000.160|10.0.22000.160]]<br />
|replaces = [[Windows 10]] ([[Windows 10 May 2021 Update|May 2021 Update]])<br />
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'''Windows 11''' is an upcoming major version of [[Microsoft Windows]] that was announced on 24 June 2021, and will succeed the [[Windows 10]] family of operating systems.<ref>https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11</ref> Its initial Cobalt-based release is expected to be generally available in October 2021 as a free upgrade over [[Windows Update]].<ref>https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/28/22553666/microsoft-windows-11-october-20th-release-date-hint-rumor</ref> It includes a refreshed user interface based on the Sun Valley effort, as well as other minor improvements over the [[Windows 10 May 2021 Update]].<ref name="sunValley" /><br />
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The new version drops support for 32-bit (x86) systems, leaving only the AMD64 (x64) and ARM64 target platforms, although 32-bit user applications are still supported via WoW64. The AMD64 version now also requires a system with UEFI firmware that supports the Secure Boot specification and includes a Trusted Platform Module, which has been subject to controversy as it leaves many older systems that fully support Windows 10 ineligible for the free upgrade.<ref name="insider">https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/28/microsoft_windows_11_insider_preview_released/</ref><br />
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==History==<br />
Rumors of a new major version of Windows were initially sparked by comments made by Panos Panay,<ref>https://www.windowscentral.com/panos-panay-comments-windows-10-2021</ref> Microsoft's chief product officer, and Satya Nadella,<ref>https://www.windowscentral.com/satya-nadella-teases-big-updates-coming-soon-windows-build-2021</ref> chairman of Microsoft, both talking about a next generation of Windows.<br />
{{Quote|Soon we will share one of the most significant updates to Windows of the past decade to unlock greater economic opportunity for developers and creators. I’ve been self-hosting it over the past several months, and I'm incredibly excited about the next generation of Windows. Our promise to you is this: we will create more opportunity for every Windows developer today and welcome every creator who is looking for the most innovative, new, open platform to build and distribute and monetize applications. We look forward to sharing more very soon.|Satya Nadella at Microsoft Build 2021<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7vqWEgifc&t=4083s</ref>}}<br />
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References to a potential new version leaked in Microsoft documentation weeks before the official announcement, including a mention of "Windows Sun Valley" in a description alongside Windows 10,<ref>https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windows-itpro-docs/blob/da154297b0b98559f81ad9ac232b46fa9b06195d/windows/application-management/index.yml#L8</ref> telemetry documentation showing two separate updates both bearing the 21H2 version number,<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20210524143118/https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/required-windows-diagnostic-data-events-and-fields-2004</ref><ref>https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windows-itpro-docs/commit/44e67b448d4d27042c780f46c5b59038531ea188#diff-94e8b5682ceb61e67551ddcf703bb8152884db9b85350656726f8b7cb855d7b2</ref> or a Windows 11 reference in accidentally published internal Azure taxonomy documentation.<ref>https://twitter.com/rezedus/status/1405928301475078148</ref> The [https://aka.ms/windows11 aka.ms/windows11] redirect has also been found to exist in late May 2021, similarly to redirects for other major Windows releases.<ref>https://vk.com/wall-32774501_744693</ref><br />
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A special event was held on 24 June 2021 where Microsoft officially announced Windows 11.<ref>https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/event</ref><ref>https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-will-unveil-next-generation-windows-june-24</ref> Despite the company's great efforts to prevent any leaks prior to the event, [[Windows 11 build 21996|build 21996]] was leaked online on 15 June, nine days before the keynote. The build includes Windows 11 branding, as well as a new Start menu and taskbar reminiscent of [[Windows 10X]] together with redesigned user interface widgets.<br />
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==Criticism==<br />
Following the announcement of Windows 11, the new version has been criticized for its large increase in minimum system requirements. According to Microsoft, the new operating system requires a 64-bit system with UEFI firmware that supports Secure Boot and includes a TPM 2.0 module. Additionally, the company has released a list of compatible processors, which notably only includes Intel's Coffee Lake family CPUs and newer, as well as AMD's Zen 2 processors (including select Zen+ models) and newer. The new requirements have been called out as artificial as they exclude many older computers from the Windows 11 upgrade on the premise of being old, even though they would likely be able to run Windows 11 with little to no performance issues.<br />
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Microsoft explained the new requirements as being guided by security, reliability and compatibility principles, although the company promised to re-evaluate the list of eligible systems, with the currently unsupported Intel Kaby Lake and AMD Zen 1 architectures being considered in particular. The TPM 2.0 and CPU requirements are also temporarily unenforced for users enrolled in the Dev Channel as a limited exception in order to collect more data regarding the system requirements.<ref>https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/06/28/update-on-windows-11-minimum-system-requirements/</ref><ref name="insider" /><br />
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==Development==<br />
The development process of Windows 11 is considerably different from previous releases. Microsoft has been working on Cobalt since October 2020, with preview builds being released to the Dev Channel with a weekly cadence for the most part. The channel has been switched to the release branch (<code>co_release</code>) in April 2021 with [[Windows 10 build 21354|build 21354]]. Around this time, the company also began work on the Windows 11 user experience in a separate <code>co_refresh</code> branch, which was bumped to the 216xx build range, whereas the public <code>co_release</code> branch was in the 213xx build range.<br />
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After the release of [[Windows 10 build 21390.1|build 21390]] in May 2021, the release branch was bumped to the 219xx build range and the main user interface work from the <code>co_refresh</code> was merged to it. The Cobalt core is complete as of [[Windows 11 build 22000.1|build 22000.1]], although work on the user experience further continues in the refresh branch, now bumped to the 221xx range. This work is being continuously merged to the <code>co_release</code> branch and released in the form of cumulative updates for build 22000 to the Dev Channel, starting with [[Windows 11 build 22000.51|build 22000.51]].<br />
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==List of known builds==<br />
{{Builds legend}}<br />
:''For builds that predate the development of Windows 11-specific features, see the [[list of Windows 10 post-20H1 builds]].''<br />
===Pre-Dev Channel===<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21380|21380}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21664|21664.1005.co_refresh.210506-1545}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21681|21681.1000.co_refresh.210511-1558}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 11 build 21380|21380.1001.fs_dev6_flt.210511-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21990|21990.1.co_release.210523-1300}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 21996|21996.1.co_release.210529-1541}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.1|22000.1.co_release.210604-1628}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.20|22000.20}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.37|22000.37}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.40|22000.40}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22114|22114.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22117|22117.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.41|22000.41.co_release_svc_prod3.210615-2138}}<br />
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===Dev Channel===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.51|22000.51.co_release_svc_prod2.210617-2050}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.65|22000.65.co_release_svc_im.210703-0754}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.71|22000.71.co_release_svc_prod1.210707-1727}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22137|22137.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22141|22141.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
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=== Beta ===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.100|22000.100.co_release_svc_prod2.210714-1804}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22142|22142.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22143|22143.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22144|22144.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22146|22146.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.111|22000.111}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.120|22000.120.co_release_svc_im.210728-1636}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22153|22153.1002}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22156|22156.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.130|22000.130}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.132|22000.132.co_release_svc_prod1.210805-1437}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.160|22000.160.co_release_svc_prod2.210811-1701}}<br />
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{{Microsoft Windows}}<br />
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== Windows 10 updates vs development cycles ==<br />
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With the nearing release of [[Windows Server 2022]], perhaps it's the time to clear up the difference between updates and development cycles. Up to last year, Microsoft consistently (mostly) released an update at the end of each development cycle, therefore we didn't have the need to differentiate between the two, however, Manganese/Iron/Cobalt have bumped the system significantly and I feel that there is a need for a systematic solution, since renaming Iron Server to 2022 clearly won't make the cut. [[Windows 10X]] is going to cause some problems as well, considering it follows the same development cycle system and in all aspects is pretty much an SKU of Windows but all builds go currently to the same page. Discuss. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 20:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)<br />
:imo i think manganese and iron server should be deleted cuz they are redundant now. Why? All the manganese and iron server builds are now in server 2022. cant i replace server manganese and iron with redirects? urgh... [[User:Norman|Norman]] 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Quick question: why do you care so much? The admins have already made the decision. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 12:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::In case of Manganese/Iron and server 2022, we essentially have ''duplicates'' that are pretty much the same pages, the only differences is that on server 2022, the page has both manganese AND iron based server builds. I think that manganese and iron server pages should be removed because the server 2022 page exists. Dunno what to do about cobalt and nickel tho. :/ [[User:Norman|Norman]] 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Are applications that aren't pre-installed on Windows allowed? ==<br />
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Are applications that aren't pre-installed on Windows allowed such as Scratch? I mean, Scratch has quite alot of versions over the years, starting development back in 2003 and officially releasing in 2007. {{unsigned|BetaFan}}<br />
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== I think BetaWiki should add the languages that the Build have. ==<br />
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This is important.Like Windows ME 2499.7,includes Chinese (Simplified, PRC); English (United States); German (Germany); Hebrew (Israel); Japanese (Japan); Korean (Korea).{{Unsigned|AVMLOVER}}<br />
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== Windows Server version 21H2 should be deleted ==<br />
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I think this page should be deleted because there's a confusion. Is "Windows Server 2022" or "Windows Server version 21H2" real 21H2? If "Windows Server version 21H2" real 21H2, then "Windows Server 2022" should be 22H1 or something else. If "Windows Server 2022" is real 21H2 then this page should be deleted.<br />
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I disagree, because much like 21H2 client, it can be obtained through enablement packages. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 14:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Lemme just say it, just like 21H2 client, it can be obtained through enablement packages. The enablement packages in question are:<br />
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Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~en-US~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~en-US~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-Product-Data-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-Product-Data-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
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[[User:Scamdisk|Scamdisk]] ([[User talk:Scamdisk|talk]]) 14:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Then tell me which one is real 21H2. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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: All of these files that were listed by Scamdisk are part of 21H2. Install the latest Windows 10 update (assuming you're on [[Windows 10 version 21H1|21H1]]) and run the batch script found in the [[Windows 10 build 19044.1023]] page as administrator to get 21H2, and then open up winver. <br />
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:That's all the proof I can give to you that 21H2 exists. - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 14:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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: You can know which one when you start reading instead of asking questions. -[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 14:29, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::Can you stop me asking to google everything? [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::Both are seemnly real, I mean I wouldn't had made the page if I didn't find the enablement packages. [[User:Scamdisk|Scamdisk]] ([[User_talk:Scamdisk|talk]]) 14:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::::It was not tempting along with Client 21H2, because normally I was expecting Server 21H2 to be in "Iron" Codebase and Client 21H2 to be in "Cobalt" or "Nickel" codebase. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::::What? [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Working on other OSes ==<br />
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This wiki has a lot of stuff about Windows. I'm happy about that, but it's just that the other OSes are going completely unrecognized. Some OSes don't even have version pages. Literally about every build of Windows does, even if it's just an infobox and a sentence or two. I would like to see more work done on the other OSes on the wiki. [[Special:Contributions/152.26.89.248|152.26.89.248]] 14:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:It's pretty easy to criticize on work (or lack thereof) done by others, so why not take the challenge and try to improve the wiki by yourself? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::The creation of the wiki takes multiple people, not just one. It's very obvious that you need more than one person to run a wiki. Otherwise, it's just a rotting webpage. Tell everybody else to work on the wiki. Why don't you start to tell others start as well? [[Special:Contributions/152.26.89.218|152.26.89.218]] 15:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Other operating systems might seem to be neglected either due to lack of interest or due to lack of knowledge from a significant portion of the current userbase. That being said, there are members which contribute to sections about other OSes quite frequently. In the end, this is a non-commercial site run by volunteers who do all their work in their free time and as a result, there is nobody working for BetaWiki as a full time employee. It just so happens that most of the userbase is interested in Windows, presumably because it's what's running on their own computers. Since nobody is getting paid to do this, your best bet is to add any content you feel that is missing yourself. Perhaps someone will take notice and join you on this. --[[User:Cvolton|Cvolton]] ([[User Talk:Cvolton|talk]] | [[special:contributions/Cvolton|contribs]]) 16:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should we merge all "Windows 10 Manganese, Iron, Cobalt and Nickel" pages into one? ==<br />
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I think these pages should be merged like how Windows Longhorn and Vista pages are merged into one. Or will the merged page be very long? {{Unsigned|Windows .NET Server 2003}}<br />
: They're development cycles, not one version, therefore they should stay as is. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 00:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
: ...and why would you want to do that? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 01:19, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Because Windows Longhorn and Vista merged into one page. I got this idea yesterday. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 10:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::The difference between Longhorn/Vista and Manganese/Iron/Cobalt/Nickel is that the latter are different projects while the former were basically the same. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 12:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::What would you call the resulting article? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Won't they be released to non-Insiders as RTM with different name in future? I think all of them should be merged in one page. Also I think major update can be postponed again. Major update can be 22H1 not 21H2 I think. Because 21H2 still uses 20H1 kernel and it doesn't seem to be a major update. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 12:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Even if so, they were development cycles of that release. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 13:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::If they're development cycles of Windows 10, then Windows Longhorn is a development cycle of Windows Vista. So these pages should be merged. If not then Windows Longhorn and Vista seperated. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is Longhorn a development cycle for Vista? --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Longhorn is not a development cycle tho. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::If you consider Longhorn a dev cycle for Vista you might as well consider Whistler as a dev cycle for XP, and you'd fall into a loop of dev cycles here. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Anyways, they should be merged in one like how Longhorn and Vista are merged. I can't believe why all of my ideas get refused. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::'''they're dev cycles, not one release.''' [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Then Longhorn is not a one release too. Is there any Windows Longhorn RTM (Not talking about Vista)? [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Longhorn was reset, it was supposed to RTM. Development cycles on the other hand are not tied to a Windows release. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::So, it means they won't be released to non-Insiders as 21H2 when it'll be stable? And all Windows versions from now will be 19045, 19046, 19047... [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::As of right now non-Insiders are on 21H1 with 21H2 (19044) already in the works. We don't know much further than that. However, as most people have said already: Manganese, Iron, Cobalt and Nickel are all development cycles and are not tied to a single release of Windows 10. Some of their features, such as News and Interests, will get ported over to non-Insiders. Longhorn didn't have this concept of development cycles. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Can you even tell the difference between a development cycle and a release? The way you equate Longhorn and Manganese/Iron/Cobalt brings me to doubts. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 18:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Well, I just think all this discussion is absolutely pointless. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 18:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::I won't talk with you guys again. You guys and I will not be able to make peace. Or else I'll be cancer. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 19:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::::It's ok. I got it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 07:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Is it a bug or something? ==<br />
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Normally we can see all recent changes up to 500. But I wanna see 1000 at once, so I've changed the link to this "https://betawiki.net/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&limit=1000&days=30&enhanced=1&urlversion=2" by replacing 500 with 1000. Then I wanted to see more recent changes. I replaced 1000 with 2000. It actually showed me last 2000 changes. But the link description and limit showed on "Results to show"" are stuck to "1000", Finally, I made 3000, it actually made me see all changes to 22 May, but link description and limit showed on "Results to show" are still stucked on 1000. Is this a bug or some feature to prevent BetaWiki to slow down? [[User:94.123.39.175|94.123.39.175]] ([[User_talk:94.123.39.175|talk]]) 11:17, 7 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Merging of Manganese, Iron and Cobalt ==<br />
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Exactly what it says on the tin. I have a proposed draft on my [[User:Winins/Sandbox2|sandbox]]. The reason for this is now that Windows 11 exists, we have a reason to merge these pages and we know what we will call the article.<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 08:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|Norman]] 08:49, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Icanttellyou|Icanttellyou]] ([[User talk:Icanttellyou|talk]]) 09:01, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:26 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
# ✔ '''Support''' - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 11:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:39, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 08:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
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===Discussion===<br />
Wait, I also asked the same thing before. But it was rejected. So, I don't think your request will be accepted. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:10, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
:You asked the question before Windows 11 was confirmed so /shrug --[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 10:13, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I'm very confused about what to say about this. I don't see any fairness. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:17, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::You need to realize that back then, Windows 11 wasn't a thing when you suggested to merge said pages. Information changes all the time and as the Winins said, <code> The reason for this is now that Windows 11 exists</code>[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:23, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Then, there's nothing I can do about that. I can only add myself as "Oppose" and it's worthless. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:39, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I think we should merge just the builds on the existing [[Windows 10 Cobalt]] page into the Windows 11 page, because Windows 11's RTM release is also based on the Cobalt codebase, and many of the early Cobalt builds which still branded themselves as Windows 10 included some Windows 11 features such as the new icons and virtual desktop improvements. --[[Special:Contributions/86.4.119.180|86.4.119.180]] 16:33, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Thing is, Cobalt is only one dev cycle of the three responsible for Windows 11, [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:46, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing <code>rs_loc</code> builds ==<br />
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Minimum and maximum version numbers don't exactly tell whether or not the build actually exists. It's just a maximum version number. Ones like [[Windows 10 build 21330 (rs loc)|this one]] make sense as they actually say <code>OperatingSystemBuildNumber</code>. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 16:53, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Icanttellyou|Icanttellyou]] ([[User talk:Icanttellyou|talk]]) 16:54, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 11:27, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 17:32, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Byronbytes|Byronbytes]] ([[User talk:Byronbytes|talk]]) 18:13, 21 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 18:18, 21 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
#[[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 17:24, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 11:26, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|LePikaDuCoin YT]] 17:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Discussion===<br />
I'm in favor of also removing most pages that rely on <code>appxmanifest.xml</code>to get the page's build number. It will also lead to situations like [[Windows 10 build 22363.1000]], where it is easy to fake an AppxManifest.xml. The last public 223xx LXP that was sent out was 22362. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC) (Updated 21:08, 18 July 2021)<br />
:I just tried to be stinky for a while. Otherwise I don't care about the <code>rs_loc</code> pages. You can do it whatever you want. {{Unsigned|Mbczadgjliqetup}}<br />
:To be fair, all of these pages and that includes the page that Orbitron linked as making sense don't really bring much information other than "this build number probably exists". Also would Norman and Nara mind explaining why they oppose this proposal? It's not majority but arguments that win such debates🙄 --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I think that the pages are becoming quite cluttered because of these builds. [[Special:Contributions/86.4.119.180|86.4.119.180]] 14:52, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I thought we made it clear that file versions '''never''' indicate that build is confirmed to exist, and if that is a sole reason a build page exists, it would be removed. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:i marked my self on oppose, cuz of these two pages, windows 8 build 8331 winmain and windows 8.1 build 9428, which were winJS build pages left behind from the cleanup last may. If these (winjs) pages are still there, i think its fair to keep the windows 10 localization builds, is it not? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 16:13, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I thought we were in the process of removing those pages, no? [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I am not sure what do buildtags from WinJS have to do with this? That's a completely different thing. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::i think that while winjs and lxps are two completely different things, these pages are very similar to each other, like how they come out of a certain file, full strings and build numbers for winjs and build numbers for lxps (in the latters case, it is the tested versions) i dont understand why 9428 and 8331 winmain are still there despite the rest of the winjs build pages being deleted last may [[User:Norman|Norman]] 16:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh my god... Why are you bothering with the WinJS pages again? If they still weren't removed as of July 2021, I suppose it was decided to keep them. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 16:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Well there is also the pretty big difference of language packs merely defining the minimum and maximum tested OS build number, while WinJS contained legitimate OS build tags. We stopped deleting them as we realized that they are valuable pieces of information, although most of them have already been lost due to the deleted page contents being purged immediately after most eligible pages have been deleted. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, okay. I marked myself as oppose now. [[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 01:05, 5 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::I personally agree with removing rs-loc build as most of the time they are usually just one line saying "These were found in (file name)'s latest version, etc". They could get their own page, but I don't plan on that happening. [[User:Byronbytes|Byronbytes]] ([[User talk:Byronbytes|talk]]) 18:13<br />
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== Unable To Fix Windows 10 Cursor Glitch Issue ==<br />
Hello friends. This is my first post in this forum. For the past few days, I have been suffering from Glitch problems with my computer's cursor. Currently, I am using Windows10 on my computer. I don’t know why this is happening, and how to fix this issue. I am using Windows10. Can anyone provide any suggestions for this issue? Any help will be appreciated. {{unsigned|Jamesdanner}}<br />
:Hi. This is not a forum, it's a wiki. As such, it's not really suited for this kind of thing. We have a Discord server where someone might be able to help you out, though. Link is in the menu on the left side.--[[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 16:48, 12 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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So, after searching a lot I found a solution from [https://digicruncher.com/windows-10-cursor-glitch/ this] article. {{unsigned|Jamesdanner}}<br />
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== Suggestion for user pages ==<br />
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Hello, I have a suggestion for user pages: making the content editable only by the owner of the page and the staff (because if the staff can’t write on user pages they can’t put warnings). I think this will be a good feature for preventing vandalism on user pages {{Unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:This is already a thing. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:20, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:: Yes. Filter 8, I think. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:21, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::It’s not because if I want to edit for example Orbitron’s page, the editor show and it can edit the page (I didn’t edited the page anyways) {{unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:::The edits get blocked by the abuse filter. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Ok, i didn’t knew this. It’s because there’s no warning and also because Edit and Edit Source buttons are showing up on other user pages {{unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:Yeah, but staff puts warnings on the user talk page. That's literally its intended purpose. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 18:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Can non-Windows builds be featured in the News section? ==<br />
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Android 12's [[Android 12 build SPB3.210618.016|beta 3.1]] came out recently and it isn't featured. Is this normal?<br />
[[User:Th3userscene|Th3userscene]] ([[User talk:Th3userscene|talk]]) 13:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
: Someone just forgot to add it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 14:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should we separate news between shared and released builds? ==<br />
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I think we should to avoid confusion. {{Unsigned|Orangera1n}}<br />
:They're available on the Internet either way... What kind of confusion can there even be? "Oh no, I accidentally downloaded a leaked build instead of an officially released one!" --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
I believe that we should separate so it does not appear as if windows 11 build 22000.111 was shared or that iOS 7 build 11A63840h was released. {{Unsigned|Orangera1n}}<br />
:Yeeeaaah, but who actually cares as long as it's out there? Furthermore, it's mentioned in the respective build page anyway... You are just making up a problem that doesn't really exist. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 15:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should Usernames be Replaced by Real Names ==<br />
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Should we replace usernames of people with their real names? For example, replace "Grabberslasher" with "Steve Troughton-Smith"?{{Unsigned|InsiderX}}<br />
:This is getting ridiculous...--[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 10:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::No. There are many, many reasons why one may not want to use their real name. It's a personal choice and that needs to be respected. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Definitely not. Stop invading the privacy of others. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 10:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::If the did not say no, and they leaked/published their real names, why not? -[[User:InsiderX|InsiderX]] ([[User talk:InsiderX|talk]]) 10:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Have you considered ''mentioning people however they prefer to be referred to''? What a revolutionary idea, right? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::No, it is not ridiculous. It makes people much easier to identify, especially if they change their usernames very often. It also feels good when you put real names in articles. -[[User:InsiderX|InsiderX]] ([[User talk:InsiderX|talk]]) 10:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Okay, this is just straight up creepy now. There's nothing okay about using other people's names when they get leaked. Do you even know what privacy is? [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 10:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::How does referring to people by real names that are usually less known than their nicknames make people easier to identify? That makes no sense. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::tbh, in the given example of Steve, probably more people know him by his real name than his nick these days. However, my feeling is that generally we should stick to whatever naming was used in the relevant source material for the content. I know this means that in some cases, the same person might be referred to under different names in different places, but I think that's preferable to the alternative and helps people identify correct sources. [[User:Hounsell|Hounsell]] ([[User talk:Hounsell|talk]]) 13:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's people's own choice if they want to use a nickname or their real name. This "replacing" idea is an absolute non-sense. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 08:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::That's ridiculous tho, it's a personal preference. Why?! [[User:Lucss21a|Lucss21a]] ([[User talk:Lucss21a|talk]]) 13:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Product keys for Windows 10 10240 ==<br />
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Why there are product keys for [[Windows 10 Build 10240]] if this is the RTM build ouf Windows 10 {{unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:I would assume these are generic keys taken from product.ini and cannot be used to activate Windows. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 13:38, 22 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
But they are still useless if they are generic because you can just click on « I don’t have ã product key »<br />
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== Disambiguation pages should not be classed as an Orphaned Page ==<br />
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Disambiguation pages should not be classed as an Orphaned Page since the builds that are noted in the disambiguation pages are not orphan</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Linspire&diff=150880Linspire2021-08-23T10:39:34Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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'''Linspire''' (originally known as ''Lindows'') is an operating system which is now owned by PC/OpenSystems LLC as of 2021. It is an attempt similar to [[Corel Linux]] to put desktop Linux in the hands of the consumer. With a customized KDE 3.x desktop, custom applications borderline cloning the Apple iLife suite, and a primitive "app store", it was intended to be easy to use and fully functional out of the box.<ref>https://winworldpc.com/product/lindows/1-x</ref><br />
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== Windows 10 updates vs development cycles ==<br />
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With the nearing release of [[Windows Server 2022]], perhaps it's the time to clear up the difference between updates and development cycles. Up to last year, Microsoft consistently (mostly) released an update at the end of each development cycle, therefore we didn't have the need to differentiate between the two, however, Manganese/Iron/Cobalt have bumped the system significantly and I feel that there is a need for a systematic solution, since renaming Iron Server to 2022 clearly won't make the cut. [[Windows 10X]] is going to cause some problems as well, considering it follows the same development cycle system and in all aspects is pretty much an SKU of Windows but all builds go currently to the same page. Discuss. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 20:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)<br />
:imo i think manganese and iron server should be deleted cuz they are redundant now. Why? All the manganese and iron server builds are now in server 2022. cant i replace server manganese and iron with redirects? urgh... [[User:Norman|Norman]] 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Quick question: why do you care so much? The admins have already made the decision. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 12:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::In case of Manganese/Iron and server 2022, we essentially have ''duplicates'' that are pretty much the same pages, the only differences is that on server 2022, the page has both manganese AND iron based server builds. I think that manganese and iron server pages should be removed because the server 2022 page exists. Dunno what to do about cobalt and nickel tho. :/ [[User:Norman|Norman]] 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Are applications that aren't pre-installed on Windows allowed? ==<br />
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Are applications that aren't pre-installed on Windows allowed such as Scratch? I mean, Scratch has quite alot of versions over the years, starting development back in 2003 and officially releasing in 2007. {{unsigned|BetaFan}}<br />
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== I think BetaWiki should add the languages that the Build have. ==<br />
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This is important.Like Windows ME 2499.7,includes Chinese (Simplified, PRC); English (United States); German (Germany); Hebrew (Israel); Japanese (Japan); Korean (Korea).{{Unsigned|AVMLOVER}}<br />
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== Windows Server version 21H2 should be deleted ==<br />
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I think this page should be deleted because there's a confusion. Is "Windows Server 2022" or "Windows Server version 21H2" real 21H2? If "Windows Server version 21H2" real 21H2, then "Windows Server 2022" should be 22H1 or something else. If "Windows Server 2022" is real 21H2 then this page should be deleted.<br />
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I disagree, because much like 21H2 client, it can be obtained through enablement packages. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 14:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Lemme just say it, just like 21H2 client, it can be obtained through enablement packages. The enablement packages in question are:<br />
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Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~en-US~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~en-US~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-Product-Data-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-Product-Data-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
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[[User:Scamdisk|Scamdisk]] ([[User talk:Scamdisk|talk]]) 14:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Then tell me which one is real 21H2. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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: All of these files that were listed by Scamdisk are part of 21H2. Install the latest Windows 10 update (assuming you're on [[Windows 10 version 21H1|21H1]]) and run the batch script found in the [[Windows 10 build 19044.1023]] page as administrator to get 21H2, and then open up winver. <br />
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:That's all the proof I can give to you that 21H2 exists. - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 14:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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: You can know which one when you start reading instead of asking questions. -[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 14:29, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::Can you stop me asking to google everything? [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::Both are seemnly real, I mean I wouldn't had made the page if I didn't find the enablement packages. [[User:Scamdisk|Scamdisk]] ([[User_talk:Scamdisk|talk]]) 14:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::::It was not tempting along with Client 21H2, because normally I was expecting Server 21H2 to be in "Iron" Codebase and Client 21H2 to be in "Cobalt" or "Nickel" codebase. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::::What? [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Working on other OSes ==<br />
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This wiki has a lot of stuff about Windows. I'm happy about that, but it's just that the other OSes are going completely unrecognized. Some OSes don't even have version pages. Literally about every build of Windows does, even if it's just an infobox and a sentence or two. I would like to see more work done on the other OSes on the wiki. [[Special:Contributions/152.26.89.248|152.26.89.248]] 14:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:It's pretty easy to criticize on work (or lack thereof) done by others, so why not take the challenge and try to improve the wiki by yourself? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::The creation of the wiki takes multiple people, not just one. It's very obvious that you need more than one person to run a wiki. Otherwise, it's just a rotting webpage. Tell everybody else to work on the wiki. Why don't you start to tell others start as well? [[Special:Contributions/152.26.89.218|152.26.89.218]] 15:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Other operating systems might seem to be neglected either due to lack of interest or due to lack of knowledge from a significant portion of the current userbase. That being said, there are members which contribute to sections about other OSes quite frequently. In the end, this is a non-commercial site run by volunteers who do all their work in their free time and as a result, there is nobody working for BetaWiki as a full time employee. It just so happens that most of the userbase is interested in Windows, presumably because it's what's running on their own computers. Since nobody is getting paid to do this, your best bet is to add any content you feel that is missing yourself. Perhaps someone will take notice and join you on this. --[[User:Cvolton|Cvolton]] ([[User Talk:Cvolton|talk]] | [[special:contributions/Cvolton|contribs]]) 16:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should we merge all "Windows 10 Manganese, Iron, Cobalt and Nickel" pages into one? ==<br />
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I think these pages should be merged like how Windows Longhorn and Vista pages are merged into one. Or will the merged page be very long? {{Unsigned|Windows .NET Server 2003}}<br />
: They're development cycles, not one version, therefore they should stay as is. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 00:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
: ...and why would you want to do that? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 01:19, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Because Windows Longhorn and Vista merged into one page. I got this idea yesterday. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 10:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::The difference between Longhorn/Vista and Manganese/Iron/Cobalt/Nickel is that the latter are different projects while the former were basically the same. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 12:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::What would you call the resulting article? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Won't they be released to non-Insiders as RTM with different name in future? I think all of them should be merged in one page. Also I think major update can be postponed again. Major update can be 22H1 not 21H2 I think. Because 21H2 still uses 20H1 kernel and it doesn't seem to be a major update. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 12:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Even if so, they were development cycles of that release. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 13:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::If they're development cycles of Windows 10, then Windows Longhorn is a development cycle of Windows Vista. So these pages should be merged. If not then Windows Longhorn and Vista seperated. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is Longhorn a development cycle for Vista? --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Longhorn is not a development cycle tho. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::If you consider Longhorn a dev cycle for Vista you might as well consider Whistler as a dev cycle for XP, and you'd fall into a loop of dev cycles here. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Anyways, they should be merged in one like how Longhorn and Vista are merged. I can't believe why all of my ideas get refused. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::'''they're dev cycles, not one release.''' [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Then Longhorn is not a one release too. Is there any Windows Longhorn RTM (Not talking about Vista)? [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Longhorn was reset, it was supposed to RTM. Development cycles on the other hand are not tied to a Windows release. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::So, it means they won't be released to non-Insiders as 21H2 when it'll be stable? And all Windows versions from now will be 19045, 19046, 19047... [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::As of right now non-Insiders are on 21H1 with 21H2 (19044) already in the works. We don't know much further than that. However, as most people have said already: Manganese, Iron, Cobalt and Nickel are all development cycles and are not tied to a single release of Windows 10. Some of their features, such as News and Interests, will get ported over to non-Insiders. Longhorn didn't have this concept of development cycles. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Can you even tell the difference between a development cycle and a release? The way you equate Longhorn and Manganese/Iron/Cobalt brings me to doubts. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 18:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Well, I just think all this discussion is absolutely pointless. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 18:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::I won't talk with you guys again. You guys and I will not be able to make peace. Or else I'll be cancer. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 19:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::::It's ok. I got it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 07:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Is it a bug or something? ==<br />
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Normally we can see all recent changes up to 500. But I wanna see 1000 at once, so I've changed the link to this "https://betawiki.net/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&limit=1000&days=30&enhanced=1&urlversion=2" by replacing 500 with 1000. Then I wanted to see more recent changes. I replaced 1000 with 2000. It actually showed me last 2000 changes. But the link description and limit showed on "Results to show"" are stuck to "1000", Finally, I made 3000, it actually made me see all changes to 22 May, but link description and limit showed on "Results to show" are still stucked on 1000. Is this a bug or some feature to prevent BetaWiki to slow down? [[User:94.123.39.175|94.123.39.175]] ([[User_talk:94.123.39.175|talk]]) 11:17, 7 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Merging of Manganese, Iron and Cobalt ==<br />
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Exactly what it says on the tin. I have a proposed draft on my [[User:Winins/Sandbox2|sandbox]]. The reason for this is now that Windows 11 exists, we have a reason to merge these pages and we know what we will call the article.<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 08:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|Norman]] 08:49, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Icanttellyou|Icanttellyou]] ([[User talk:Icanttellyou|talk]]) 09:01, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:26 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
# ✔ '''Support''' - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 11:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:39, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 08:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
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===Discussion===<br />
Wait, I also asked the same thing before. But it was rejected. So, I don't think your request will be accepted. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:10, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
:You asked the question before Windows 11 was confirmed so /shrug --[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 10:13, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I'm very confused about what to say about this. I don't see any fairness. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:17, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::You need to realize that back then, Windows 11 wasn't a thing when you suggested to merge said pages. Information changes all the time and as the Winins said, <code> The reason for this is now that Windows 11 exists</code>[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:23, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Then, there's nothing I can do about that. I can only add myself as "Oppose" and it's worthless. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:39, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I think we should merge just the builds on the existing [[Windows 10 Cobalt]] page into the Windows 11 page, because Windows 11's RTM release is also based on the Cobalt codebase, and many of the early Cobalt builds which still branded themselves as Windows 10 included some Windows 11 features such as the new icons and virtual desktop improvements. --[[Special:Contributions/86.4.119.180|86.4.119.180]] 16:33, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Thing is, Cobalt is only one dev cycle of the three responsible for Windows 11, [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:46, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing <code>rs_loc</code> builds ==<br />
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Minimum and maximum version numbers don't exactly tell whether or not the build actually exists. It's just a maximum version number. Ones like [[Windows 10 build 21330 (rs loc)|this one]] make sense as they actually say <code>OperatingSystemBuildNumber</code>. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 16:53, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Icanttellyou|Icanttellyou]] ([[User talk:Icanttellyou|talk]]) 16:54, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 11:27, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 17:32, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Byronbytes|Byronbytes]] ([[User talk:Byronbytes|talk]]) 18:13, 21 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 18:18, 21 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
#[[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 17:24, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 11:26, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|LePikaDuCoin YT]] 17:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Discussion===<br />
I'm in favor of also removing most pages that rely on <code>appxmanifest.xml</code>to get the page's build number. It will also lead to situations like [[Windows 10 build 22363.1000]], where it is easy to fake an AppxManifest.xml. The last public 223xx LXP that was sent out was 22362. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC) (Updated 21:08, 18 July 2021)<br />
:I just tried to be stinky for a while. Otherwise I don't care about the <code>rs_loc</code> pages. You can do it whatever you want. {{Unsigned|Mbczadgjliqetup}}<br />
:To be fair, all of these pages and that includes the page that Orbitron linked as making sense don't really bring much information other than "this build number probably exists". Also would Norman and Nara mind explaining why they oppose this proposal? It's not majority but arguments that win such debates🙄 --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I think that the pages are becoming quite cluttered because of these builds. [[Special:Contributions/86.4.119.180|86.4.119.180]] 14:52, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I thought we made it clear that file versions '''never''' indicate that build is confirmed to exist, and if that is a sole reason a build page exists, it would be removed. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:i marked my self on oppose, cuz of these two pages, windows 8 build 8331 winmain and windows 8.1 build 9428, which were winJS build pages left behind from the cleanup last may. If these (winjs) pages are still there, i think its fair to keep the windows 10 localization builds, is it not? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 16:13, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I thought we were in the process of removing those pages, no? [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I am not sure what do buildtags from WinJS have to do with this? That's a completely different thing. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::i think that while winjs and lxps are two completely different things, these pages are very similar to each other, like how they come out of a certain file, full strings and build numbers for winjs and build numbers for lxps (in the latters case, it is the tested versions) i dont understand why 9428 and 8331 winmain are still there despite the rest of the winjs build pages being deleted last may [[User:Norman|Norman]] 16:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh my god... Why are you bothering with the WinJS pages again? If they still weren't removed as of July 2021, I suppose it was decided to keep them. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 16:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Well there is also the pretty big difference of language packs merely defining the minimum and maximum tested OS build number, while WinJS contained legitimate OS build tags. We stopped deleting them as we realized that they are valuable pieces of information, although most of them have already been lost due to the deleted page contents being purged immediately after most eligible pages have been deleted. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, okay. I marked myself as oppose now. [[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 01:05, 5 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::I personally agree with removing rs-loc build as most of the time they are usually just one line saying "These were found in (file name)'s latest version, etc". They could get their own page, but I don't plan on that happening. [[User:Byronbytes|Byronbytes]] ([[User talk:Byronbytes|talk]]) 18:13<br />
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== Unable To Fix Windows 10 Cursor Glitch Issue ==<br />
Hello friends. This is my first post in this forum. For the past few days, I have been suffering from Glitch problems with my computer's cursor. Currently, I am using Windows10 on my computer. I don’t know why this is happening, and how to fix this issue. I am using Windows10. Can anyone provide any suggestions for this issue? Any help will be appreciated. {{unsigned|Jamesdanner}}<br />
:Hi. This is not a forum, it's a wiki. As such, it's not really suited for this kind of thing. We have a Discord server where someone might be able to help you out, though. Link is in the menu on the left side.--[[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 16:48, 12 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
<br />
So, after searching a lot I found a solution from [https://digicruncher.com/windows-10-cursor-glitch/ this] article. {{unsigned|Jamesdanner}}<br />
<br />
== Suggestion for user pages ==<br />
<br />
Hello, I have a suggestion for user pages: making the content editable only by the owner of the page and the staff (because if the staff can’t write on user pages they can’t put warnings). I think this will be a good feature for preventing vandalism on user pages {{Unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:This is already a thing. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:20, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:: Yes. Filter 8, I think. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:21, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::It’s not because if I want to edit for example Orbitron’s page, the editor show and it can edit the page (I didn’t edited the page anyways) {{unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:::The edits get blocked by the abuse filter. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Ok, i didn’t knew this. It’s because there’s no warning and also because Edit and Edit Source buttons are showing up on other user pages {{unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:Yeah, but staff puts warnings on the user talk page. That's literally its intended purpose. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 18:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Can non-Windows builds be featured in the News section? ==<br />
<br />
Android 12's [[Android 12 build SPB3.210618.016|beta 3.1]] came out recently and it isn't featured. Is this normal?<br />
[[User:Th3userscene|Th3userscene]] ([[User talk:Th3userscene|talk]]) 13:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
: Someone just forgot to add it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 14:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Should we separate news between shared and released builds? ==<br />
<br />
I think we should to avoid confusion. {{Unsigned|Orangera1n}}<br />
:They're available on the Internet either way... What kind of confusion can there even be? "Oh no, I accidentally downloaded a leaked build instead of an officially released one!" --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
I believe that we should separate so it does not appear as if windows 11 build 22000.111 was shared or that iOS 7 build 11A63840h was released. {{Unsigned|Orangera1n}}<br />
:Yeeeaaah, but who actually cares as long as it's out there? Furthermore, it's mentioned in the respective build page anyway... You are just making up a problem that doesn't really exist. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 15:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Should Usernames be Replaced by Real Names ==<br />
<br />
Should we replace usernames of people with their real names? For example, replace "Grabberslasher" with "Steve Troughton-Smith"?{{Unsigned|InsiderX}}<br />
:This is getting ridiculous...--[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 10:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::No. There are many, many reasons why one may not want to use their real name. It's a personal choice and that needs to be respected. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Definitely not. Stop invading the privacy of others. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 10:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::If the did not say no, and they leaked/published their real names, why not? -[[User:InsiderX|InsiderX]] ([[User talk:InsiderX|talk]]) 10:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Have you considered ''mentioning people however they prefer to be referred to''? What a revolutionary idea, right? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::No, it is not ridiculous. It makes people much easier to identify, especially if they change their usernames very often. It also feels good when you put real names in articles. -[[User:InsiderX|InsiderX]] ([[User talk:InsiderX|talk]]) 10:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Okay, this is just straight up creepy now. There's nothing okay about using other people's names when they get leaked. Do you even know what privacy is? [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 10:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::How does referring to people by real names that are usually less known than their nicknames make people easier to identify? That makes no sense. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::tbh, in the given example of Steve, probably more people know him by his real name than his nick these days. However, my feeling is that generally we should stick to whatever naming was used in the relevant source material for the content. I know this means that in some cases, the same person might be referred to under different names in different places, but I think that's preferable to the alternative and helps people identify correct sources. [[User:Hounsell|Hounsell]] ([[User talk:Hounsell|talk]]) 13:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's people's own choice if they want to use a nickname or their real name. This "replacing" idea is an absolute non-sense. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 08:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::That's ridiculous tho, it's a personal preference. Why?! [[User:Lucss21a|Lucss21a]] ([[User talk:Lucss21a|talk]]) 13:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Product keys for Windows 10 10240 ==<br />
<br />
Why there are product keys for [[Windows 10 Build 10240]] if this is the RTM build ouf Windows 10 {{unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:I would assume these are generic keys taken from product.ini and cannot be used to activate Windows. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 13:38, 22 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
But they are still useless if they are generic because you can just click on « I don’t have ã product key »</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Windows_11_(original_release)&diff=150876Windows 11 (original release)2021-08-23T10:34:04Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: /* Pre-Dev Channel */</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Windows<br />
|name = Windows 11<br />
|logo = Windows 11 logo and wordmark.svg<br />
|codename = Windows Sun Valley<ref name="sunValley">https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/16/22536375/microsoft-windows-11-default-wallpaper</ref><br />
|devcycle = Cobalt<br />
|image = Windows11-10.0.22000.132-Desktop.png<br />
|family = 11<br />
|version = 21H2<br />
|arch = AMD64, ARM64<br />
|latestbuild = [[Windows 11 build 22000.160|10.0.22000.160]]<br />
|replaces = [[Windows 10]] ([[Windows 10 May 2021 Update|May 2021 Update]])<br />
}}<br />
'''Windows 11''' is an upcoming major version of [[Microsoft Windows]] that was announced on 24 June 2021, and will succeed the [[Windows 10]] family of operating systems.<ref>https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11</ref> Its initial Cobalt-based release is expected to be generally available in October 2021 as a free upgrade over [[Windows Update]].<ref>https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/28/22553666/microsoft-windows-11-october-20th-release-date-hint-rumor</ref> It includes a refreshed user interface based on the Sun Valley effort, as well as other minor improvements over the [[Windows 10 May 2021 Update]].<ref name="sunValley" /><br />
<br />
The new version drops support for 32-bit (x86) systems, leaving only the AMD64 (x64) and ARM64 target platforms, although 32-bit user applications are still supported via WoW64. The AMD64 version now also requires a system with UEFI firmware that supports the Secure Boot specification and includes a Trusted Platform Module, which has been subject to controversy as it leaves many older systems that fully support Windows 10 ineligible for the free upgrade.<ref name="insider">https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/28/microsoft_windows_11_insider_preview_released/</ref><br />
<br />
==History==<br />
Rumors of a new major version of Windows were initially sparked by comments made by Panos Panay,<ref>https://www.windowscentral.com/panos-panay-comments-windows-10-2021</ref> Microsoft's chief product officer, and Satya Nadella,<ref>https://www.windowscentral.com/satya-nadella-teases-big-updates-coming-soon-windows-build-2021</ref> chairman of Microsoft, both talking about a next generation of Windows.<br />
{{Quote|Soon we will share one of the most significant updates to Windows of the past decade to unlock greater economic opportunity for developers and creators. I’ve been self-hosting it over the past several months, and I'm incredibly excited about the next generation of Windows. Our promise to you is this: we will create more opportunity for every Windows developer today and welcome every creator who is looking for the most innovative, new, open platform to build and distribute and monetize applications. We look forward to sharing more very soon.|Satya Nadella at Microsoft Build 2021<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7vqWEgifc&t=4083s</ref>}}<br />
<br />
References to a potential new version leaked in Microsoft documentation weeks before the official announcement, including a mention of "Windows Sun Valley" in a description alongside Windows 10,<ref>https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windows-itpro-docs/blob/da154297b0b98559f81ad9ac232b46fa9b06195d/windows/application-management/index.yml#L8</ref> telemetry documentation showing two separate updates both bearing the 21H2 version number,<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20210524143118/https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/required-windows-diagnostic-data-events-and-fields-2004</ref><ref>https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windows-itpro-docs/commit/44e67b448d4d27042c780f46c5b59038531ea188#diff-94e8b5682ceb61e67551ddcf703bb8152884db9b85350656726f8b7cb855d7b2</ref> or a Windows 11 reference in accidentally published internal Azure taxonomy documentation.<ref>https://twitter.com/rezedus/status/1405928301475078148</ref> The [https://aka.ms/windows11 aka.ms/windows11] redirect has also been found to exist in late May 2021, similarly to redirects for other major Windows releases.<ref>https://vk.com/wall-32774501_744693</ref><br />
<br />
A special event was held on 24 June 2021 where Microsoft officially announced Windows 11.<ref>https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/event</ref><ref>https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-will-unveil-next-generation-windows-june-24</ref> Despite the company's great efforts to prevent any leaks prior to the event, [[Windows 11 build 21996|build 21996]] was leaked online on 15 June, nine days before the keynote. The build includes Windows 11 branding, as well as a new Start menu and taskbar reminiscent of [[Windows 10X]] together with redesigned user interface widgets.<br />
<br />
==Criticism==<br />
Following the announcement of Windows 11, the new version has been criticized for its large increase in minimum system requirements. According to Microsoft, the new operating system requires a 64-bit system with UEFI firmware that supports Secure Boot and includes a TPM 2.0 module. Additionally, the company has released a list of compatible processors, which notably only includes Intel's Coffee Lake family CPUs and newer, as well as AMD's Zen 2 processors (including select Zen+ models) and newer. The new requirements have been called out as artificial as they exclude many older computers from the Windows 11 upgrade on the premise of being old, even though they would likely be able to run Windows 11 with little to no performance issues.<br />
<br />
Microsoft explained the new requirements as being guided by security, reliability and compatibility principles, although the company promised to re-evaluate the list of eligible systems, with the currently unsupported Intel Kaby Lake and AMD Zen 1 architectures being considered in particular. The TPM 2.0 and CPU requirements are also temporarily unenforced for users enrolled in the Dev Channel as a limited exception in order to collect more data regarding the system requirements.<ref>https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/06/28/update-on-windows-11-minimum-system-requirements/</ref><ref name="insider" /><br />
<br />
==Development==<br />
The development process of Windows 11 is considerably different from previous releases. Microsoft has been working on Cobalt since October 2020, with preview builds being released to the Dev Channel with a weekly cadence for the most part. The channel has been switched to the release branch (<code>co_release</code>) in April 2021 with [[Windows 10 build 21354|build 21354]]. Around this time, the company also began work on the Windows 11 user experience in a separate <code>co_refresh</code> branch, which was bumped to the 216xx build range, whereas the public <code>co_release</code> branch was in the 213xx build range.<br />
<br />
After the release of [[Windows 10 build 21390.1|build 21390]] in May 2021, the release branch was bumped to the 219xx build range and the main user interface work from the <code>co_refresh</code> was merged to it. The Cobalt core is complete as of [[Windows 11 build 22000.1|build 22000.1]], although work on the user experience further continues in the refresh branch, now bumped to the 221xx range. This work is being continuously merged to the <code>co_release</code> branch and released in the form of cumulative updates for build 22000 to the Dev Channel, starting with [[Windows 11 build 22000.51|build 22000.51]].<br />
<br />
==List of known builds==<br />
{{Builds legend}}<br />
:''For builds that predate the development of Windows 11-specific features, see the [[list of Windows 10 post-20H1 builds]].''<br />
===Pre-Dev Channel===<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21380|21380}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21664|21664.1005.co_refresh.210506-1545}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21681|21681.1000.co_refresh.210511-1558}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 11 build 21380|21380.1001.fs_dev6_flt.210511-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21990|21990.1.co_release.210523-1300}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 21996|21996.1.co_release.210529-1541}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.1|22000.1.co_release.210604-1628}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.20|22000.20}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.37|22000.37}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.40|22000.40}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22114|22114.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22117|22117.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.41|22000.41.co_release_svc_prod3.210615-2138}}<br />
<br />
===Dev Channel===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.51|22000.51.co_release_svc_prod2.210617-2050}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.65|22000.65.co_release_svc_im.210703-0754}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.71|22000.71.co_release_svc_prod1.210707-1727}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22137|22137.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22141|22141.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
<br />
=== Beta ===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.100|22000.100.co_release_svc_prod2.210714-1804}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22142|22142.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22143|22143.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22144|22144.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22146|22146.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.111|22000.111}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.120|22000.120.co_release_svc_im.210728-1636}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22153|22153.1002}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22156|22156.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.130|22000.130}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.132|22000.132.co_release_svc_prod1.210805-1437}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.160|22000.160.co_release_svc_prod2.210811-1701}}<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references /><br />
{{Microsoft Windows}}<br />
[[Category:Windows versions]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Windows_11_(original_release)&diff=150875Windows 11 (original release)2021-08-23T10:33:26Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: /* Pre-Dev Channel */</p>
<hr />
<div>{{Infobox Windows<br />
|name = Windows 11<br />
|logo = Windows 11 logo and wordmark.svg<br />
|codename = Windows Sun Valley<ref name="sunValley">https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/16/22536375/microsoft-windows-11-default-wallpaper</ref><br />
|devcycle = Cobalt<br />
|image = Windows11-10.0.22000.132-Desktop.png<br />
|family = 11<br />
|version = 21H2<br />
|arch = AMD64, ARM64<br />
|latestbuild = [[Windows 11 build 22000.160|10.0.22000.160]]<br />
|replaces = [[Windows 10]] ([[Windows 10 May 2021 Update|May 2021 Update]])<br />
}}<br />
'''Windows 11''' is an upcoming major version of [[Microsoft Windows]] that was announced on 24 June 2021, and will succeed the [[Windows 10]] family of operating systems.<ref>https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11</ref> Its initial Cobalt-based release is expected to be generally available in October 2021 as a free upgrade over [[Windows Update]].<ref>https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/28/22553666/microsoft-windows-11-october-20th-release-date-hint-rumor</ref> It includes a refreshed user interface based on the Sun Valley effort, as well as other minor improvements over the [[Windows 10 May 2021 Update]].<ref name="sunValley" /><br />
<br />
The new version drops support for 32-bit (x86) systems, leaving only the AMD64 (x64) and ARM64 target platforms, although 32-bit user applications are still supported via WoW64. The AMD64 version now also requires a system with UEFI firmware that supports the Secure Boot specification and includes a Trusted Platform Module, which has been subject to controversy as it leaves many older systems that fully support Windows 10 ineligible for the free upgrade.<ref name="insider">https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/28/microsoft_windows_11_insider_preview_released/</ref><br />
<br />
==History==<br />
Rumors of a new major version of Windows were initially sparked by comments made by Panos Panay,<ref>https://www.windowscentral.com/panos-panay-comments-windows-10-2021</ref> Microsoft's chief product officer, and Satya Nadella,<ref>https://www.windowscentral.com/satya-nadella-teases-big-updates-coming-soon-windows-build-2021</ref> chairman of Microsoft, both talking about a next generation of Windows.<br />
{{Quote|Soon we will share one of the most significant updates to Windows of the past decade to unlock greater economic opportunity for developers and creators. I’ve been self-hosting it over the past several months, and I'm incredibly excited about the next generation of Windows. Our promise to you is this: we will create more opportunity for every Windows developer today and welcome every creator who is looking for the most innovative, new, open platform to build and distribute and monetize applications. We look forward to sharing more very soon.|Satya Nadella at Microsoft Build 2021<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7vqWEgifc&t=4083s</ref>}}<br />
<br />
References to a potential new version leaked in Microsoft documentation weeks before the official announcement, including a mention of "Windows Sun Valley" in a description alongside Windows 10,<ref>https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windows-itpro-docs/blob/da154297b0b98559f81ad9ac232b46fa9b06195d/windows/application-management/index.yml#L8</ref> telemetry documentation showing two separate updates both bearing the 21H2 version number,<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20210524143118/https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/required-windows-diagnostic-data-events-and-fields-2004</ref><ref>https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windows-itpro-docs/commit/44e67b448d4d27042c780f46c5b59038531ea188#diff-94e8b5682ceb61e67551ddcf703bb8152884db9b85350656726f8b7cb855d7b2</ref> or a Windows 11 reference in accidentally published internal Azure taxonomy documentation.<ref>https://twitter.com/rezedus/status/1405928301475078148</ref> The [https://aka.ms/windows11 aka.ms/windows11] redirect has also been found to exist in late May 2021, similarly to redirects for other major Windows releases.<ref>https://vk.com/wall-32774501_744693</ref><br />
<br />
A special event was held on 24 June 2021 where Microsoft officially announced Windows 11.<ref>https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/event</ref><ref>https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-will-unveil-next-generation-windows-june-24</ref> Despite the company's great efforts to prevent any leaks prior to the event, [[Windows 11 build 21996|build 21996]] was leaked online on 15 June, nine days before the keynote. The build includes Windows 11 branding, as well as a new Start menu and taskbar reminiscent of [[Windows 10X]] together with redesigned user interface widgets.<br />
<br />
==Criticism==<br />
Following the announcement of Windows 11, the new version has been criticized for its large increase in minimum system requirements. According to Microsoft, the new operating system requires a 64-bit system with UEFI firmware that supports Secure Boot and includes a TPM 2.0 module. Additionally, the company has released a list of compatible processors, which notably only includes Intel's Coffee Lake family CPUs and newer, as well as AMD's Zen 2 processors (including select Zen+ models) and newer. The new requirements have been called out as artificial as they exclude many older computers from the Windows 11 upgrade on the premise of being old, even though they would likely be able to run Windows 11 with little to no performance issues.<br />
<br />
Microsoft explained the new requirements as being guided by security, reliability and compatibility principles, although the company promised to re-evaluate the list of eligible systems, with the currently unsupported Intel Kaby Lake and AMD Zen 1 architectures being considered in particular. The TPM 2.0 and CPU requirements are also temporarily unenforced for users enrolled in the Dev Channel as a limited exception in order to collect more data regarding the system requirements.<ref>https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/06/28/update-on-windows-11-minimum-system-requirements/</ref><ref name="insider" /><br />
<br />
==Development==<br />
The development process of Windows 11 is considerably different from previous releases. Microsoft has been working on Cobalt since October 2020, with preview builds being released to the Dev Channel with a weekly cadence for the most part. The channel has been switched to the release branch (<code>co_release</code>) in April 2021 with [[Windows 10 build 21354|build 21354]]. Around this time, the company also began work on the Windows 11 user experience in a separate <code>co_refresh</code> branch, which was bumped to the 216xx build range, whereas the public <code>co_release</code> branch was in the 213xx build range.<br />
<br />
After the release of [[Windows 10 build 21390.1|build 21390]] in May 2021, the release branch was bumped to the 219xx build range and the main user interface work from the <code>co_refresh</code> was merged to it. The Cobalt core is complete as of [[Windows 11 build 22000.1|build 22000.1]], although work on the user experience further continues in the refresh branch, now bumped to the 221xx range. This work is being continuously merged to the <code>co_release</code> branch and released in the form of cumulative updates for build 22000 to the Dev Channel, starting with [[Windows 11 build 22000.51|build 22000.51]].<br />
<br />
==List of known builds==<br />
{{Builds legend}}<br />
:''For builds that predate the development of Windows 11-specific features, see the [[list of Windows 10 post-20H1 builds]].''<br />
===Pre-Dev Channel===<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21390|21390}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21664|21664.1005.co_refresh.210506-1545}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21681|21681.1000.co_refresh.210511-1558}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 11 build 21380|21380.1001.fs_dev6_flt.210511-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21990|21990.1.co_release.210523-1300}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 21996|21996.1.co_release.210529-1541}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.1|22000.1.co_release.210604-1628}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.20|22000.20}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.37|22000.37}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.40|22000.40}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22114|22114.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22117|22117.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.41|22000.41.co_release_svc_prod3.210615-2138}}<br />
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===Dev Channel===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.51|22000.51.co_release_svc_prod2.210617-2050}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.65|22000.65.co_release_svc_im.210703-0754}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.71|22000.71.co_release_svc_prod1.210707-1727}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22137|22137.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22141|22141.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
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=== Beta ===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.100|22000.100.co_release_svc_prod2.210714-1804}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22142|22142.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22143|22143.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22144|22144.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22146|22146.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.111|22000.111}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.120|22000.120.co_release_svc_im.210728-1636}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22153|22153.1002}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22156|22156.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.130|22000.130}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.132|22000.132.co_release_svc_prod1.210805-1437}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.160|22000.160.co_release_svc_prod2.210811-1701}}<br />
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==References==<br />
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{{Microsoft Windows}}<br />
[[Category:Windows versions]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Windows_11_(original_release)&diff=150874Windows 11 (original release)2021-08-23T10:33:10Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: /* Pre-Dev Channel */</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Windows<br />
|name = Windows 11<br />
|logo = Windows 11 logo and wordmark.svg<br />
|codename = Windows Sun Valley<ref name="sunValley">https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/16/22536375/microsoft-windows-11-default-wallpaper</ref><br />
|devcycle = Cobalt<br />
|image = Windows11-10.0.22000.132-Desktop.png<br />
|family = 11<br />
|version = 21H2<br />
|arch = AMD64, ARM64<br />
|latestbuild = [[Windows 11 build 22000.160|10.0.22000.160]]<br />
|replaces = [[Windows 10]] ([[Windows 10 May 2021 Update|May 2021 Update]])<br />
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'''Windows 11''' is an upcoming major version of [[Microsoft Windows]] that was announced on 24 June 2021, and will succeed the [[Windows 10]] family of operating systems.<ref>https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11</ref> Its initial Cobalt-based release is expected to be generally available in October 2021 as a free upgrade over [[Windows Update]].<ref>https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/28/22553666/microsoft-windows-11-october-20th-release-date-hint-rumor</ref> It includes a refreshed user interface based on the Sun Valley effort, as well as other minor improvements over the [[Windows 10 May 2021 Update]].<ref name="sunValley" /><br />
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The new version drops support for 32-bit (x86) systems, leaving only the AMD64 (x64) and ARM64 target platforms, although 32-bit user applications are still supported via WoW64. The AMD64 version now also requires a system with UEFI firmware that supports the Secure Boot specification and includes a Trusted Platform Module, which has been subject to controversy as it leaves many older systems that fully support Windows 10 ineligible for the free upgrade.<ref name="insider">https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/28/microsoft_windows_11_insider_preview_released/</ref><br />
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==History==<br />
Rumors of a new major version of Windows were initially sparked by comments made by Panos Panay,<ref>https://www.windowscentral.com/panos-panay-comments-windows-10-2021</ref> Microsoft's chief product officer, and Satya Nadella,<ref>https://www.windowscentral.com/satya-nadella-teases-big-updates-coming-soon-windows-build-2021</ref> chairman of Microsoft, both talking about a next generation of Windows.<br />
{{Quote|Soon we will share one of the most significant updates to Windows of the past decade to unlock greater economic opportunity for developers and creators. I’ve been self-hosting it over the past several months, and I'm incredibly excited about the next generation of Windows. Our promise to you is this: we will create more opportunity for every Windows developer today and welcome every creator who is looking for the most innovative, new, open platform to build and distribute and monetize applications. We look forward to sharing more very soon.|Satya Nadella at Microsoft Build 2021<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7vqWEgifc&t=4083s</ref>}}<br />
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References to a potential new version leaked in Microsoft documentation weeks before the official announcement, including a mention of "Windows Sun Valley" in a description alongside Windows 10,<ref>https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windows-itpro-docs/blob/da154297b0b98559f81ad9ac232b46fa9b06195d/windows/application-management/index.yml#L8</ref> telemetry documentation showing two separate updates both bearing the 21H2 version number,<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20210524143118/https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/required-windows-diagnostic-data-events-and-fields-2004</ref><ref>https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windows-itpro-docs/commit/44e67b448d4d27042c780f46c5b59038531ea188#diff-94e8b5682ceb61e67551ddcf703bb8152884db9b85350656726f8b7cb855d7b2</ref> or a Windows 11 reference in accidentally published internal Azure taxonomy documentation.<ref>https://twitter.com/rezedus/status/1405928301475078148</ref> The [https://aka.ms/windows11 aka.ms/windows11] redirect has also been found to exist in late May 2021, similarly to redirects for other major Windows releases.<ref>https://vk.com/wall-32774501_744693</ref><br />
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A special event was held on 24 June 2021 where Microsoft officially announced Windows 11.<ref>https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/event</ref><ref>https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-will-unveil-next-generation-windows-june-24</ref> Despite the company's great efforts to prevent any leaks prior to the event, [[Windows 11 build 21996|build 21996]] was leaked online on 15 June, nine days before the keynote. The build includes Windows 11 branding, as well as a new Start menu and taskbar reminiscent of [[Windows 10X]] together with redesigned user interface widgets.<br />
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==Criticism==<br />
Following the announcement of Windows 11, the new version has been criticized for its large increase in minimum system requirements. According to Microsoft, the new operating system requires a 64-bit system with UEFI firmware that supports Secure Boot and includes a TPM 2.0 module. Additionally, the company has released a list of compatible processors, which notably only includes Intel's Coffee Lake family CPUs and newer, as well as AMD's Zen 2 processors (including select Zen+ models) and newer. The new requirements have been called out as artificial as they exclude many older computers from the Windows 11 upgrade on the premise of being old, even though they would likely be able to run Windows 11 with little to no performance issues.<br />
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Microsoft explained the new requirements as being guided by security, reliability and compatibility principles, although the company promised to re-evaluate the list of eligible systems, with the currently unsupported Intel Kaby Lake and AMD Zen 1 architectures being considered in particular. The TPM 2.0 and CPU requirements are also temporarily unenforced for users enrolled in the Dev Channel as a limited exception in order to collect more data regarding the system requirements.<ref>https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/06/28/update-on-windows-11-minimum-system-requirements/</ref><ref name="insider" /><br />
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==Development==<br />
The development process of Windows 11 is considerably different from previous releases. Microsoft has been working on Cobalt since October 2020, with preview builds being released to the Dev Channel with a weekly cadence for the most part. The channel has been switched to the release branch (<code>co_release</code>) in April 2021 with [[Windows 10 build 21354|build 21354]]. Around this time, the company also began work on the Windows 11 user experience in a separate <code>co_refresh</code> branch, which was bumped to the 216xx build range, whereas the public <code>co_release</code> branch was in the 213xx build range.<br />
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After the release of [[Windows 10 build 21390.1|build 21390]] in May 2021, the release branch was bumped to the 219xx build range and the main user interface work from the <code>co_refresh</code> was merged to it. The Cobalt core is complete as of [[Windows 11 build 22000.1|build 22000.1]], although work on the user experience further continues in the refresh branch, now bumped to the 221xx range. This work is being continuously merged to the <code>co_release</code> branch and released in the form of cumulative updates for build 22000 to the Dev Channel, starting with [[Windows 11 build 22000.51|build 22000.51]].<br />
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==List of known builds==<br />
{{Builds legend}}<br />
:''For builds that predate the development of Windows 11-specific features, see the [[list of Windows 10 post-20H1 builds]].''<br />
===Pre-Dev Channel===<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21390|21390]]<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21664|21664.1005.co_refresh.210506-1545}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21681|21681.1000.co_refresh.210511-1558}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 11 build 21380|21380.1001.fs_dev6_flt.210511-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 21990|21990.1.co_release.210523-1300}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 21996|21996.1.co_release.210529-1541}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.1|22000.1.co_release.210604-1628}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.20|22000.20}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.37|22000.37}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.40|22000.40}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22114|22114.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22117|22117.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.41|22000.41.co_release_svc_prod3.210615-2138}}<br />
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===Dev Channel===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.51|22000.51.co_release_svc_prod2.210617-2050}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.65|22000.65.co_release_svc_im.210703-0754}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.71|22000.71.co_release_svc_prod1.210707-1727}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22137|22137.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22141|22141.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
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=== Beta ===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.100|22000.100.co_release_svc_prod2.210714-1804}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22142|22142.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22143|22143.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22144|22144.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22146|22146.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.111|22000.111}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.120|22000.120.co_release_svc_im.210728-1636}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22153|22153.1002}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22156|22156.1000.co_refresh}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22000.130|22000.130}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.132|22000.132.co_release_svc_prod1.210805-1437}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 11 build 22000.160|22000.160.co_release_svc_prod2.210811-1701}}<br />
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==References==<br />
<references /><br />
{{Microsoft Windows}}<br />
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== Windows 10 updates vs development cycles ==<br />
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With the nearing release of [[Windows Server 2022]], perhaps it's the time to clear up the difference between updates and development cycles. Up to last year, Microsoft consistently (mostly) released an update at the end of each development cycle, therefore we didn't have the need to differentiate between the two, however, Manganese/Iron/Cobalt have bumped the system significantly and I feel that there is a need for a systematic solution, since renaming Iron Server to 2022 clearly won't make the cut. [[Windows 10X]] is going to cause some problems as well, considering it follows the same development cycle system and in all aspects is pretty much an SKU of Windows but all builds go currently to the same page. Discuss. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 20:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)<br />
:imo i think manganese and iron server should be deleted cuz they are redundant now. Why? All the manganese and iron server builds are now in server 2022. cant i replace server manganese and iron with redirects? urgh... [[User:Norman|Norman]] 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Quick question: why do you care so much? The admins have already made the decision. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 12:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::In case of Manganese/Iron and server 2022, we essentially have ''duplicates'' that are pretty much the same pages, the only differences is that on server 2022, the page has both manganese AND iron based server builds. I think that manganese and iron server pages should be removed because the server 2022 page exists. Dunno what to do about cobalt and nickel tho. :/ [[User:Norman|Norman]] 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Are applications that aren't pre-installed on Windows allowed? ==<br />
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Are applications that aren't pre-installed on Windows allowed such as Scratch? I mean, Scratch has quite alot of versions over the years, starting development back in 2003 and officially releasing in 2007. {{unsigned|BetaFan}}<br />
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== I think BetaWiki should add the languages that the Build have. ==<br />
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This is important.Like Windows ME 2499.7,includes Chinese (Simplified, PRC); English (United States); German (Germany); Hebrew (Israel); Japanese (Japan); Korean (Korea).{{Unsigned|AVMLOVER}}<br />
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== Windows Server version 21H2 should be deleted ==<br />
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I think this page should be deleted because there's a confusion. Is "Windows Server 2022" or "Windows Server version 21H2" real 21H2? If "Windows Server version 21H2" real 21H2, then "Windows Server 2022" should be 22H1 or something else. If "Windows Server 2022" is real 21H2 then this page should be deleted.<br />
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I disagree, because much like 21H2 client, it can be obtained through enablement packages. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 14:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Lemme just say it, just like 21H2 client, it can be obtained through enablement packages. The enablement packages in question are:<br />
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Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~en-US~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~en-US~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-Product-Data-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-Product-Data-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
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[[User:Scamdisk|Scamdisk]] ([[User talk:Scamdisk|talk]]) 14:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Then tell me which one is real 21H2. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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: All of these files that were listed by Scamdisk are part of 21H2. Install the latest Windows 10 update (assuming you're on [[Windows 10 version 21H1|21H1]]) and run the batch script found in the [[Windows 10 build 19044.1023]] page as administrator to get 21H2, and then open up winver. <br />
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:That's all the proof I can give to you that 21H2 exists. - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 14:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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: You can know which one when you start reading instead of asking questions. -[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 14:29, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::Can you stop me asking to google everything? [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::Both are seemnly real, I mean I wouldn't had made the page if I didn't find the enablement packages. [[User:Scamdisk|Scamdisk]] ([[User_talk:Scamdisk|talk]]) 14:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::::It was not tempting along with Client 21H2, because normally I was expecting Server 21H2 to be in "Iron" Codebase and Client 21H2 to be in "Cobalt" or "Nickel" codebase. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::::What? [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Working on other OSes ==<br />
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This wiki has a lot of stuff about Windows. I'm happy about that, but it's just that the other OSes are going completely unrecognized. Some OSes don't even have version pages. Literally about every build of Windows does, even if it's just an infobox and a sentence or two. I would like to see more work done on the other OSes on the wiki. [[Special:Contributions/152.26.89.248|152.26.89.248]] 14:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:It's pretty easy to criticize on work (or lack thereof) done by others, so why not take the challenge and try to improve the wiki by yourself? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::The creation of the wiki takes multiple people, not just one. It's very obvious that you need more than one person to run a wiki. Otherwise, it's just a rotting webpage. Tell everybody else to work on the wiki. Why don't you start to tell others start as well? [[Special:Contributions/152.26.89.218|152.26.89.218]] 15:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Other operating systems might seem to be neglected either due to lack of interest or due to lack of knowledge from a significant portion of the current userbase. That being said, there are members which contribute to sections about other OSes quite frequently. In the end, this is a non-commercial site run by volunteers who do all their work in their free time and as a result, there is nobody working for BetaWiki as a full time employee. It just so happens that most of the userbase is interested in Windows, presumably because it's what's running on their own computers. Since nobody is getting paid to do this, your best bet is to add any content you feel that is missing yourself. Perhaps someone will take notice and join you on this. --[[User:Cvolton|Cvolton]] ([[User Talk:Cvolton|talk]] | [[special:contributions/Cvolton|contribs]]) 16:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should we merge all "Windows 10 Manganese, Iron, Cobalt and Nickel" pages into one? ==<br />
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I think these pages should be merged like how Windows Longhorn and Vista pages are merged into one. Or will the merged page be very long? {{Unsigned|Windows .NET Server 2003}}<br />
: They're development cycles, not one version, therefore they should stay as is. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 00:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
: ...and why would you want to do that? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 01:19, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Because Windows Longhorn and Vista merged into one page. I got this idea yesterday. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 10:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::The difference between Longhorn/Vista and Manganese/Iron/Cobalt/Nickel is that the latter are different projects while the former were basically the same. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 12:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::What would you call the resulting article? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Won't they be released to non-Insiders as RTM with different name in future? I think all of them should be merged in one page. Also I think major update can be postponed again. Major update can be 22H1 not 21H2 I think. Because 21H2 still uses 20H1 kernel and it doesn't seem to be a major update. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 12:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Even if so, they were development cycles of that release. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 13:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::If they're development cycles of Windows 10, then Windows Longhorn is a development cycle of Windows Vista. So these pages should be merged. If not then Windows Longhorn and Vista seperated. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is Longhorn a development cycle for Vista? --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Longhorn is not a development cycle tho. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::If you consider Longhorn a dev cycle for Vista you might as well consider Whistler as a dev cycle for XP, and you'd fall into a loop of dev cycles here. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Anyways, they should be merged in one like how Longhorn and Vista are merged. I can't believe why all of my ideas get refused. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::'''they're dev cycles, not one release.''' [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Then Longhorn is not a one release too. Is there any Windows Longhorn RTM (Not talking about Vista)? [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Longhorn was reset, it was supposed to RTM. Development cycles on the other hand are not tied to a Windows release. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::So, it means they won't be released to non-Insiders as 21H2 when it'll be stable? And all Windows versions from now will be 19045, 19046, 19047... [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::As of right now non-Insiders are on 21H1 with 21H2 (19044) already in the works. We don't know much further than that. However, as most people have said already: Manganese, Iron, Cobalt and Nickel are all development cycles and are not tied to a single release of Windows 10. Some of their features, such as News and Interests, will get ported over to non-Insiders. Longhorn didn't have this concept of development cycles. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Can you even tell the difference between a development cycle and a release? The way you equate Longhorn and Manganese/Iron/Cobalt brings me to doubts. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 18:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Well, I just think all this discussion is absolutely pointless. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 18:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::I won't talk with you guys again. You guys and I will not be able to make peace. Or else I'll be cancer. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 19:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::::It's ok. I got it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 07:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Is it a bug or something? ==<br />
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Normally we can see all recent changes up to 500. But I wanna see 1000 at once, so I've changed the link to this "https://betawiki.net/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&limit=1000&days=30&enhanced=1&urlversion=2" by replacing 500 with 1000. Then I wanted to see more recent changes. I replaced 1000 with 2000. It actually showed me last 2000 changes. But the link description and limit showed on "Results to show"" are stuck to "1000", Finally, I made 3000, it actually made me see all changes to 22 May, but link description and limit showed on "Results to show" are still stucked on 1000. Is this a bug or some feature to prevent BetaWiki to slow down? [[User:94.123.39.175|94.123.39.175]] ([[User_talk:94.123.39.175|talk]]) 11:17, 7 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Merging of Manganese, Iron and Cobalt ==<br />
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Exactly what it says on the tin. I have a proposed draft on my [[User:Winins/Sandbox2|sandbox]]. The reason for this is now that Windows 11 exists, we have a reason to merge these pages and we know what we will call the article.<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 08:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|Norman]] 08:49, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Icanttellyou|Icanttellyou]] ([[User talk:Icanttellyou|talk]]) 09:01, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:26 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
# ✔ '''Support''' - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 11:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:39, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 08:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
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===Discussion===<br />
Wait, I also asked the same thing before. But it was rejected. So, I don't think your request will be accepted. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:10, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
:You asked the question before Windows 11 was confirmed so /shrug --[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 10:13, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I'm very confused about what to say about this. I don't see any fairness. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:17, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::You need to realize that back then, Windows 11 wasn't a thing when you suggested to merge said pages. Information changes all the time and as the Winins said, <code> The reason for this is now that Windows 11 exists</code>[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:23, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Then, there's nothing I can do about that. I can only add myself as "Oppose" and it's worthless. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:39, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I think we should merge just the builds on the existing [[Windows 10 Cobalt]] page into the Windows 11 page, because Windows 11's RTM release is also based on the Cobalt codebase, and many of the early Cobalt builds which still branded themselves as Windows 10 included some Windows 11 features such as the new icons and virtual desktop improvements. --[[Special:Contributions/86.4.119.180|86.4.119.180]] 16:33, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Thing is, Cobalt is only one dev cycle of the three responsible for Windows 11, [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:46, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing <code>rs_loc</code> builds ==<br />
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Minimum and maximum version numbers don't exactly tell whether or not the build actually exists. It's just a maximum version number. Ones like [[Windows 10 build 21330 (rs loc)|this one]] make sense as they actually say <code>OperatingSystemBuildNumber</code>. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 16:53, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Icanttellyou|Icanttellyou]] ([[User talk:Icanttellyou|talk]]) 16:54, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 11:27, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 17:32, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Byronbytes|Byronbytes]] ([[User talk:Byronbytes|talk]]) 18:13, 21 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 18:18, 21 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
#[[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 17:24, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 11:26, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|LePikaDuCoin YT]] 17:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Discussion===<br />
I'm in favor of also removing most pages that rely on <code>appxmanifest.xml</code>to get the page's build number. It will also lead to situations like [[Windows 10 build 22363.1000]], where it is easy to fake an AppxManifest.xml. The last public 223xx LXP that was sent out was 22362. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC) (Updated 21:08, 18 July 2021)<br />
:I just tried to be stinky for a while. Otherwise I don't care about the <code>rs_loc</code> pages. You can do it whatever you want. {{Unsigned|Mbczadgjliqetup}}<br />
:To be fair, all of these pages and that includes the page that Orbitron linked as making sense don't really bring much information other than "this build number probably exists". Also would Norman and Nara mind explaining why they oppose this proposal? It's not majority but arguments that win such debates🙄 --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I think that the pages are becoming quite cluttered because of these builds. [[Special:Contributions/86.4.119.180|86.4.119.180]] 14:52, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I thought we made it clear that file versions '''never''' indicate that build is confirmed to exist, and if that is a sole reason a build page exists, it would be removed. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:i marked my self on oppose, cuz of these two pages, windows 8 build 8331 winmain and windows 8.1 build 9428, which were winJS build pages left behind from the cleanup last may. If these (winjs) pages are still there, i think its fair to keep the windows 10 localization builds, is it not? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 16:13, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I thought we were in the process of removing those pages, no? [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I am not sure what do buildtags from WinJS have to do with this? That's a completely different thing. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::i think that while winjs and lxps are two completely different things, these pages are very similar to each other, like how they come out of a certain file, full strings and build numbers for winjs and build numbers for lxps (in the latters case, it is the tested versions) i dont understand why 9428 and 8331 winmain are still there despite the rest of the winjs build pages being deleted last may [[User:Norman|Norman]] 16:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh my god... Why are you bothering with the WinJS pages again? If they still weren't removed as of July 2021, I suppose it was decided to keep them. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 16:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Well there is also the pretty big difference of language packs merely defining the minimum and maximum tested OS build number, while WinJS contained legitimate OS build tags. We stopped deleting them as we realized that they are valuable pieces of information, although most of them have already been lost due to the deleted page contents being purged immediately after most eligible pages have been deleted. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, okay. I marked myself as oppose now. [[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 01:05, 5 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::I personally agree with removing rs-loc build as most of the time they are usually just one line saying "These were found in (file name)'s latest version, etc". They could get their own page, but I don't plan on that happening. [[User:Byronbytes|Byronbytes]] ([[User talk:Byronbytes|talk]]) 18:13<br />
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== Unable To Fix Windows 10 Cursor Glitch Issue ==<br />
Hello friends. This is my first post in this forum. For the past few days, I have been suffering from Glitch problems with my computer's cursor. Currently, I am using Windows10 on my computer. I don’t know why this is happening, and how to fix this issue. I am using Windows10. Can anyone provide any suggestions for this issue? Any help will be appreciated. {{unsigned|Jamesdanner}}<br />
:Hi. This is not a forum, it's a wiki. As such, it's not really suited for this kind of thing. We have a Discord server where someone might be able to help you out, though. Link is in the menu on the left side.--[[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 16:48, 12 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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So, after searching a lot I found a solution from [https://digicruncher.com/windows-10-cursor-glitch/ this] article. {{unsigned|Jamesdanner}}<br />
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== Suggestion for user pages ==<br />
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Hello, I have a suggestion for user pages: making the content editable only by the owner of the page and the staff (because if the staff can’t write on user pages they can’t put warnings). I think this will be a good feature for preventing vandalism on user pages {{Unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:This is already a thing. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:20, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:: Yes. Filter 8, I think. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:21, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::It’s not because if I want to edit for example Orbitron’s page, the editor show and it can edit the page (I didn’t edited the page anyways) {{unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:::The edits get blocked by the abuse filter. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Ok, i didn’t knew this. It’s because there’s no warning and also because Edit and Edit Source buttons are showing up on other user pages {{unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:Yeah, but staff puts warnings on the user talk page. That's literally its intended purpose. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 18:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Can non-Windows builds be featured in the News section? ==<br />
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Android 12's [[Android 12 build SPB3.210618.016|beta 3.1]] came out recently and it isn't featured. Is this normal?<br />
[[User:Th3userscene|Th3userscene]] ([[User talk:Th3userscene|talk]]) 13:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
: Someone just forgot to add it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 14:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should we separate news between shared and released builds? ==<br />
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I think we should to avoid confusion. {{Unsigned|Orangera1n}}<br />
:They're available on the Internet either way... What kind of confusion can there even be? "Oh no, I accidentally downloaded a leaked build instead of an officially released one!" --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
I believe that we should separate so it does not appear as if windows 11 build 22000.111 was shared or that iOS 7 build 11A63840h was released. {{Unsigned|Orangera1n}}<br />
:Yeeeaaah, but who actually cares as long as it's out there? Furthermore, it's mentioned in the respective build page anyway... You are just making up a problem that doesn't really exist. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 15:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should Usernames be Replaced by Real Names ==<br />
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Should we replace usernames of people with their real names? For example, replace "Grabberslasher" with "Steve Troughton-Smith"?{{Unsigned|InsiderX}}<br />
:This is getting ridiculous...--[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 10:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::No. There are many, many reasons why one may not want to use their real name. It's a personal choice and that needs to be respected. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Definitely not. Stop invading the privacy of others. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 10:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::If the did not say no, and they leaked/published their real names, why not? -[[User:InsiderX|InsiderX]] ([[User talk:InsiderX|talk]]) 10:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Have you considered ''mentioning people however they prefer to be referred to''? What a revolutionary idea, right? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::No, it is not ridiculous. It makes people much easier to identify, especially if they change their usernames very often. It also feels good when you put real names in articles. -[[User:InsiderX|InsiderX]] ([[User talk:InsiderX|talk]]) 10:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Okay, this is just straight up creepy now. There's nothing okay about using other people's names when they get leaked. Do you even know what privacy is? [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 10:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::How does referring to people by real names that are usually less known than their nicknames make people easier to identify? That makes no sense. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::tbh, in the given example of Steve, probably more people know him by his real name than his nick these days. However, my feeling is that generally we should stick to whatever naming was used in the relevant source material for the content. I know this means that in some cases, the same person might be referred to under different names in different places, but I think that's preferable to the alternative and helps people identify correct sources. [[User:Hounsell|Hounsell]] ([[User talk:Hounsell|talk]]) 13:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's people's own choice if they want to use a nickname or their real name. This "replacing" idea is an absolute non-sense. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 08:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::That's ridiculous tho, it's a personal preference. Why?! [[User:Lucss21a|Lucss21a]] ([[User talk:Lucss21a|talk]]) 13:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Product keys for Windows 10 10240 ==<br />
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Why there are product keys for [[Windows 10 Build 10240]] if this is the RTM build ouf Windows 10</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=149750User:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-08-20T13:32:46Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: /* Links */</p>
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=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
==Links==<br />
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*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|User page]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Talk]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/c/perroquet2008 YouTube Channel (but it’s in French because I am French)]<br />
*Don’t delete, I will continue to edit later<br /><br />
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==Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
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My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
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===PC Specs===<br />
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CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
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RAM: 16 GB<br />
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HDD: 1 TB Toshiba Hard Drive<br />
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==Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page==<br />
This section is actually empty because there’s no build in this category</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=149749User:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-08-20T13:32:27Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: /* Links */</p>
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=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
==Links==<br />
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*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|User page]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|Talk]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/c/perroquet2008 YouTube Channel (but it’s in French because I am French)]<br />
*Don’t delete, I will continue to edit later<br /><br />
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==Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
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My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
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===PC Specs===<br />
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CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
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RAM: 16 GB<br />
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HDD: 1 TB Toshiba Hard Drive<br />
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==Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page==<br />
This section is actually empty because there’s no build in this category</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Windows_7&diff=141146Windows 72021-07-23T19:23:48Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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<div>{{Infobox Windows<br />
|name = Windows 7<br />
|logo = Microsoft Windows 7 wordmark.svg<br />
|codename = Windows 7<ref>https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20190722-00/?p=102724</ref><br />
|image = Windows7-RTM-DesktopAero.png<br />
|family = nt<br />
|version = 6.1<br />
|arch = x86, x64<br />
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|releasedate = 2009-10-22<br />
|support = 2020-01-14 (2023-01-10 with Extended Security Updates)<br />
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'''Windows 7''' is an operating system developed by [[Microsoft]], released to manufacturing on July 22, 2009 and general availability on October 22, 2009. It is the eighth operating system in the Windows NT operating system line. It is intended to fix many of the issues users perceived with [[Windows Vista]]. Windows 7 has NT kernel version 6.1, making it a minor update to Windows Vista. Windows 7 improved performance on older hardware, while also improving many areas of the Aero user interface. It is one of Microsoft's most popular operating systems, still running on 15.58% of desktop and laptop computers as of June 2021<ref>https://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-202101-202101-bar</ref>.<br />
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It replaces [[Windows Vista]] and was replaced by [[Windows 8]]. Mainstream support ended on 13 January 2015, while free extended support ended on 14 January 2020. For Professional and Enterprise users, paid extended support will end on 10 January 2023.<br />
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A pre-RTM build, [[Windows 7 build 7600.16384|7600.16384]], was speculated to be the final version of the product but had a flaw in [[Internet Explorer 8]] which prevented it from shipping.<br />
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This is the last version of Windows that supports processors without PAE, SSE2 and NX (Update KB4088875 removes support for processors without SSE2); and the last version of Windows that received a Service Pack from Microsoft.<br />
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==Name==<br />
The name "Windows 7" comes from the version number of [[Windows Vista]] (6.0) being incremented by one to get 7.0. This was the project's code name and was eventually used as the final name as well.<ref name="codename">https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20190722-00/?p=102724</ref><br />
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Common belief is that the previous code names of Windows 7 were Blackcomb and/or Vienna, however, they refer to an earlier effort likewise intended to succeed [[Windows Vista]], which was canceled in early 2007 and replaced with the Windows 7 project.<ref name="codename" /><br />
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==Editions==<br />
Windows 7 was shipped in the following SKUs:<br />
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*'''Starter''' is a low-end edition available only through OEMs, who usually preinstalled it on netbooks, tablets and cheap laptops. It does not include the [[Windows Aero]] theme and doesn't support changing the desktop wallpaper and visual styles. Supports 2 GB of RAM at most and comes in x86 version only.<br />
*'''Home Basic''' is available in emerging markets, such as India, Mexico, Brazil, Russia and others. It includes the Aero theme, but some of its features are disabled. This edition came in x86 and x64 versions.<br />
*'''Home Premium''' is a standard edition aimed at the home customer segment and is most commonly preinstalled on new computers and laptops. It includes the fully featured Aero theme and Windows Media Center.<br />
*'''Professional''' replaced Vista's Business edition and includes all features of Home Premium. It adds the ability to join a domain and other features commonly used in business environment. It supports activation over a KMS server.<br />
*'''Ultimate''' and '''Enterprise''' are the top-level editions of Windows 7. They are identical with regards to supported features, with both editions including all functionality of Professional and adding MUI support. The only difference between the two is that Ultimate was available directly to end customers via OEM and retail channels and can be activated only by WPA, while Enterprise was only offered to businesses through Software Assurance and supports activation over a KMS server.<br />
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All of the above editions are offered in '''N''' and '''KN''' variants without [[Windows Media Player]] in order to meet European and Korean legislation. An '''E''' variant was also planned, which would also remove [[Internet Explorer]], but in the end the variant was not released and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrowserChoice.eu Browser Choice] ballot screen was introduced as a replacement to satisfy the European Union's demands. Some leaked builds leading up to the RTM are available in this variant.<br />
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==Hardware compatibility ==<br />
Windows 7 is fully compatible with Intel Skylake and earlier. Later processors do not work as Windows Update is disabled and Intel Graphics do not work, though users have come up with hacks to get both working. Windows 7 also suffered from the same services bug that plagues [[Windows Vista]] on Haswell and later processors, but this was patched with an update that was not backported, though users are trying to figure out how to backport it.<br />
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==List of known builds==<br />
{{builds legend}}<br />
===Milestone 1===<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 7 build 6400.16386|6400.16386}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 7 build 6429|6429.fbl_multimedia_media.070514-1730}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 6469|6469.1.fbl_find_dev(wexbuild).071002-1531}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 7 build 6471|6471}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 6519|6519.1.winmain.071220-1525}}<br />
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===Milestone 2===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 6568|6568.1.winmain.080312-1858}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 6574|6574.1.winmain.080320-1839}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 6589|6589.1.winmain_win7m2.080420-1634}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 6608|6608.1.winmain_win7m2.080511-1400}}<br />
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===Milestone 3===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 6730|6730.1.winmain.080612-1840}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 6748|6748.0.winmain.080710-2059}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 6780|6780.0.winmain_win7m3.080829-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 6801|6801.0.winmain_win7m3.080913-2030}}<br />
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===Beta===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 6910|6910.0.winmain.080915-1555}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 6917|6917.0.winmain.080925-1915}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 6922|6922.0.winmain.081003-1841}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 7 build 6930|6930.0.winmain.081015-1816}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 6931|6931.0.winmain.081016-1805}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 6932 (winmain)|6932.0.winmain.081017-1835}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 7 build 6932 (fbl_shell_dex)|6932.fbl_shell_dex.081020-1755}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 7 build 6933|6933.0.winmain.081020-1842}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 7 build 6934|6934.0.winmain.081021-1817}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 7 build 6935|6935.winmain.081022-1857}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 6936|6936.0.winmain.081023-1800}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 7 build 6937|6937.0.winmain.081027-1805}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 6941|6941.0.fbl_srv.081102-0300}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 7 build 6948|6948.fbl_shell_dex.081112-1755}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 6951|6951.winmain.081114-2042}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 6953|6953.winmain.081118-1923}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 6956|6956.0.winmain.081122-1150}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 7 build 6965|6965}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7000|7000.0.winmain_win7beta.081212-1400}}<br />
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===Release Candidate===<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7004|7004.0.winmain.081203-1830}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7012|7012.0.winmain.081215-1810}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7013|7013.0.?.081220-1600}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7015|7015.fbl_multimedia_media.090104-1750}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7016|7016.fbl_multimedia_media.0901??-????}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 7 build 7021|7021}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7022|7022.0.winmain.090115-1850}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7025|7025.0.winmain.090120-1850}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7032|7032.0.winmain.090129-1812}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 7 build 7041|7041.fbl_shell_dev.090211-1755}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7048|7048.0.winmain.090219-1845}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7051|7051.0.winmain.090224-1840}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7055|7055.0.winmain.090303-2130}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7057|7057.0.winmain.090305-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7062|7062.0.winmain.090312-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7063|7063.0.winmain.090313-1842}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7066|7066.0.winmain.090318-1812}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7068|7068.0.winmain.090321-1322}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7070|7070.0.winmain.090324-1853}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7073|7073.0.winmain.090331-0855}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7075|7075.0.winmain.090401-1200}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 7 build 7076|7076.0.winmain.090402-1838}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7077|7077.0.winmain_win7rc.090404-1255}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7082|7082.0.winmain_win7rc.090410-1901}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7100|7100.0.winmain_win7rc.090421-1700}}<br />
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===Pre-RTM===<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7105|7105.0.winmain.090404-1235}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7106 (winmain)|7106.0.winmain.090408-1623}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7106 (fbl multimedia)|7106.0.fbl_multimedia.090409-1750}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7127|7127.0.winmain.090507-1820}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7137|7137.0.winmain.090521-1745}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7138|7138.0.winmain_win7ids_sp.090523-2200}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7140|7140.0.winmain.090524-1240}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7201 (winmain_win7ids)|7201.0.winmain_win7ids.090601-1516}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7201 (winmain_win7ids_sp)|7201.0.winmain_win7ids_sp.090602-2030}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7225 (winmain)|7225.0.winmain.090529-1930}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7225 (winmain sp)|7225.0.winmain_sp.090529-2022}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7227|7227.0.winmain_sp.090602-2110}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7229|7229.0.winmain.090604-1901}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7231|7231.0.winmain.090608-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7232|7232.0.winmain.090610-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 7 build 7233|7233}}<br />
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===RTM Escrow===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7260|7260.0.win7_rtm.090612-2110}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7264|7264.0.win7_rtm.090622-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 7 build 7279|7279.0.winmain.090627-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7600.16384|7600.16384.win7_rtm.090710-1945}}<br />
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===RTM===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7600.16385|7600.16385.win7_rtm.090713-1255}}<br />
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===Service Pack 1 Beta===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7601.16537|7601.16537.win7.100327-0053}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7601.16556|7601.16556.win7sp1_beta.100421-1510}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7601.16559|7601.16559.win7sp1_beta.100506-1349}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7601.16562|7601.16562.win7sp1_beta.100603-1800}}<br />
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=== Service Pack 1 RC===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7601.17104|7601.17104.win7sp1_rc.100921-1630}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7601.17105|7601.17105.win7sp1_rc.100929-1730}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7601.17125|7601.17125.win7.101029-1605}}<br />
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===Service Pack 1===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 7 build 7601.17514|7601.17514.win7sp1_rtm.101119-1850}}<br />
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==References==<br />
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{{Microsoft Windows}}<br />
[[Category:Windows versions]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=139126User:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-07-17T18:12:01Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: Undo because it’s broken</p>
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=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
==Links==<br />
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*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|User page]]<br />
*[[User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT|Talk]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/c/perroquet2008 YouTube Channel (but it’s in French because I am French)]<br />
*Don’t delete, I will continue to edit later<br /><br />
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Hello there, internet! There is nothing to see in this part of the page<br />
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==Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
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My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
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===PC Specs===<br />
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CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
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RAM: 16 GB<br />
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GPU: Radeon RX 5500 XT 8 GB<br />
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HDD: 1 TB Toshiba Hard Drive<br />
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==Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page==<br />
This section is actually empty because there’s no build in this category</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=139125User:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-07-17T18:11:30Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: /* Links */</p>
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=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
==Links==<br />
<div class="mp-header-links hlist plainlinks"><br />
*[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ|User page]]<br />
*[[User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT|Talk]]<br />
*[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ|Sandbox]]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/c/perroquet2008 YouTube Channel (but it’s in French because I am French)]<br />
*Don’t delete, I will continue to edit later<br /><br />
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Hello there, internet! There is nothing to see in this part of the page<br />
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==Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
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My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
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===PC Specs===<br />
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CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
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RAM: 16 GB<br />
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GPU: Radeon RX 5500 XT 8 GB<br />
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HDD: 1 TB Toshiba Hard Drive<br />
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==Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page==<br />
This section is actually empty because there’s no build in this category</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Nickel&diff=138894Nickel2021-07-16T17:53:45Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: /* Pre-Dev Channel */</p>
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'''Nickel''' is the 22H1 development cycle of [[Windows 11]]. As of July 2021, no builds have been publicly released yet. Early builds of Nickel identify themselves as Windows 10. <br />
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==List of known builds==<br />
===Pre-Dev Channel===<br />
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{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22350.1000|22350.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22351.1000|22351.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22352.1000|22352.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22353.1000|22353.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22354.1000|22354.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22355.1000|22355.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22356.1000|22356.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22358.1000|22358.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22359.1000|22359.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22360.1001|22360.1001}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22361.1000|22361.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22362.1000|22362.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22363.1000|22363.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22376|22376.rs_prerelease.210504-1503}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 10 build 22395|22395.rs_onecore_wsd.210530-1400}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22397|22397.rs_xbox.210602-1436}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 11 build 22415|22415}}<br />
[[Category:Windows versions]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=BetaWiki:Community_portal&diff=138886BetaWiki:Community portal2021-07-16T17:27:35Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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== Removing "RTM Update" builds ==<br />
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After seeing some of these recent new Windows build pages, I feel like the "RTM Update" pages has to go. Most of these RTM Update pages are from Windows Update, and since there are over thousands of updates for each version of Windows, documenting RTM Update builds will take an extremely long time with Windows versions above 2000 having about 1000 pages worth of RTM Update builds. In case you don't know what I mean, here are some examples:<br />
*[[Windows 2000 build 2195.7397]]<br />
*[[Windows XP build 2600.7259]]<br />
*[[Windows Vista build 6001.18702]]<br />
*[[Windows Server 2003 build 3790.5190]]<br />
*[[Windows 8.1 build 9600.31213]]<br />
Do note that there are some builds that will be specifically staying. Any betas of Service Packs will stay (including the Spring 2014 Update of Windows 8.1 and Server 2012 R2), as they are still betas and achieve our goal of documenting betas. [[Windows Server 2008 build 6003|Windows Server 2008 build 6003.20489]] is also a special exception that will stay on this wiki due to the unique build number update. However, most of the remaining Update RTM builds should be removed as they only add more clutter to the wiki. I have a good feeling most of the RTM Update builds are also buildlist builds. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 14:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
=== Support ===<br />
#[[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 14:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 18:57, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 19:01, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Wheatley|Wheatley]] ([[User talk:Wheatley|talk]]) 19:03, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#-- [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]]) 17:26, 25 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Strix|Strix]] ([[User talk:Strix|talk]]) 15:59, 18 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
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== Find 5 differences ==<br />
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https://windowsxp.miraheze.org/wiki/Windows_XP vs. [[Windows XP]]<br />
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--<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:That kid is creating more wikis... again?? They should deny his req, we've had enough. --[[User:ATeamInc|ATeamInc]] ([[User talk:ATeamInc|talk]]) 17:41, 23 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:could you please stop calling us kids? also stop making fun of our wikis.[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.149|43.224.156.149]] 15:39, 25 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:: ...and my really first and last wiki: https://windows95wiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Windows_95 vs. [[Windows 95]]. -- [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]]) 17:24, 25 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
::: Next time this happens, their acc should be reported if that is possible. BTW, the Windows 10 wiki is still going. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 02:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::: [[User:Meow]]: Ever heard of alts? Sockpuppets?<br />
:::: Also whats wrong with creating wikis? And i dont see anything wrong just if a wiki is still going.[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.138|43.224.156.138]] 12:57, 13 August 2019 (UTC)<br />
::::: It looks like the Windows 95 wiki is shutting down, it’s closed right now. Apparently in 6 months it will be deleted. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 17:07, 28 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Heck yes! The Windows 95 wiki was deleted! -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 00:48, 1 May 2020 (UTC)<br />
:::::: THE WINDOWS XP AND 95 WIKI WERE DELETED! YES!!!! -[[User:Redfong2|Redfong2]] ([[User talk:Redfong2|talk]]<br />
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== Can't seem to upload files ==<br />
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I get this error, "Internal error: Server failed to store temporary file." Can it be fixed?--[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.138|43.224.156.138]] 12:55, 13 August 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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This is just crossing the line. https://freevandalism.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/185.222.27.241<br />
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Also, if you reject this, this will prove how toxic you all are, and also prove you support harassment. Also, I might actually make a Toxic Fandoms & Hatedoms Wiki page about your community.[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.155|43.224.156.155]] 06:34, 24 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:That was done by a single user from our Discord who isn't a staff member. [[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 08:32, 24 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Improved Windows Vista "about" screenshots ==<br />
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I've improved many Windows Vista builds [[Windows Vista build 5435|5435]] to [[Windows Vista build 5754|5754]] "about" screenshots to have '''[[Windows Aero]]''' + '''AeroShot'''. Coming up will be these builds: (you can help me with this)<br />
* [[Windows Vista]] Service Pack 1 and 2 builds - [[Windows Vista build 6001.16549]] to [[Windows Vista build 6002.17043]] ([[Windows Vista build 6001.18000]] and [[Windows Vista build 6002.16489]] are done!)<br />
* [[Windows 7]] and Service Pack 1 builds - ([[Windows 7 build 6801]] to [[Windows 7 build 7601.17105|7601.17105]] are done!) with some builds done (ALL BUILDS ARE COMPLETED!)<br />
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* [[Windows 8]] builds - [[Windows 8 build 8102.0]] to [[Windows 8 build 8400]] ([[Windows 8 build 8128]] to [[Windows 8 build 8330 (fbl ie longhorn)|8330 (fbl ie longhorn)]] are done!) (except [[Windows 8 build 8250]])<br />
I hope that change will improve future our wiki! [[User:Strix|Strix]] ([[User talk:Strix|talk]]) 14:18, 18 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Windows 10/Server 20H2 and 21H1 pages should be deleted ==<br />
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I suggest that the [[Windows 10 20H2]] and [[Windows 10 21H1]] articles should be deleted. The same should be done to their [[Windows Server 20H2|server]] [[Windows Server 21H1|counterparts]]. These articles are just speculation. We don't know what the recent builds are of, as they are just active development builds of Windows 10.<br />
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To hold the Fast ring builds, we should make a page like Windows 10/Fast ring builds or similar, without any speculation. I feel like this should remove speculation and ambiguity about the Windows 10 active development builds and make the wiki better. -- [[Special:Contributions/2.27.117.92|2.27.117.92]] 14:27, 12 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
#-- [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]]) 18:13, 12 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
#-- [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 00:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Discussion ===<br />
''"We don't know what the recent builds are of, as they are just active development builds of Windows 10."'' I am not quite sure if you fully understand what you are talking about, anyway, I moved both 20H2 and 21H1 to Manganese for now to prevent confusion. When the 20H2 cumulative update development begins, it will get its own page again. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 02:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
==Sandbox==<br />
make a sandbox[[Special:Contributions/209.107.216.61|209.107.216.61]] 19:40, 19 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
:[[BetaWiki:Sandbox]] --[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 06:31, 21 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Write dates in full ==<br />
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ISO 8601 (YYYY-MM-DD) format is uncommon in English prose, and should not be used within sentences. It looks quite ugly for months, for example, 2020-06.<br />
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More examples:<br />
* Imagine if we write about an event that has been taking place in 28 - 30 June 2020, how should we write that in ISO 8601, "2020-06-28 to 2020-06-30" or "2020-06-28 to 30"?<br />
* If we write "28, 29 and 30 June 2020" in common use, how should we write that in ISO 8601, "2020-06-28, 29 and 30" or something like that?<br />
* If we say "late June 2015", writing it as "late 2015-07" looks so ugly.<br />
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So, do you think we should write the date in full, like "30 June 2020" or "June 30, 2020"? [[User:Yue Ling|Yue Ling]] ([[User talk:Yue Ling|talk]]) 14:30, 30 June 2020 (UTC)<br />
: "30 June 2020" will be better. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)<br />
: You use the full ISO date for ranges. Either way, I am fine with using either in prose, as long as it is consistent, so you don't end up with articles that use both date-first and month-first. Don't use it in infoboxes for now, as they can't handle it, probably avoid using it in tables as well. Consider something like the [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Dates, months, and years|Wikipedia's Manual of Style section on date formatting]]. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 08:19, 1 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
::Put up a draft of the new policy onto the [[BetaWiki:Guidelines#Date formats (draft)|Guidelines]] page. (and yes, I was very inspired by the wikipedia policy at this) --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 21:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:::I decided to go solely for the DMY format, as that is what the MediaWiki signatures already use, plus the MDY format doesn't really work that well in titles. Allowing both was an option I considered, but that would be quite inconsistent, which I think would look quite stupid on such a small wiki. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 11:19, 27 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Allow me to upload files bigger than 2MB ==<br />
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Hi. I want to upload some screenshots of [[Windows 10 build 20158]]. There's one problem though, I can't upload files bigger than 2MB, I want to find a way to bypass this. Can the admins please make the file size limit bigger? File size of these pics are 2.1MiB. [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 23:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:That might be a limitation of MediaWiki and not something the admins can change very easily. You could always just compress your images a bit. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Should indefinite blocked users have their user pages deleted? ==<br />
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I think so. They are not coming back to BetaWiki, and they just take up space. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 15:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
# [[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 15:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 15:27, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 15:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
# They take up space even if deleted. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
# Oftentimes funny to point and laugh at these people's userpages, especially the really young and dumb ones like Win2005/Kool Guy. [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 16:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Talk ===<br />
Cosmo, you need to think about the users themselves. Do they really want that on BetaWiki after they are blocked? -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 16:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:One thing: remove some of the blank ones such as [[User:Microsoft Windows XP|Microsoft Windows XP]]. [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 16:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
::Also, even if this does not get implemented, ones like MCpillager need to go. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 16:20, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:They can always contact me if they want their user pages gone. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 18:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
::Because MCpillager needs *so* much thought, especially when he made hundreds of articles screaming about raping people. See what Ryuzaki said. [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Separating Windows RT/RT 8.1 ==<br />
Since Windows RT/RT 8.1 have different brand names, should we separate it? {{unsigned|Yue Ling}}<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
# [[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 07:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# Please see my talk on discord, #community-portal - https://discordapp.com/channels/305415513503432705/305415513503432705/740487659645829141 [[User:Gus33000|Gus33000]] ([[User talk:Gus33000|talk]]) 09:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 09:41, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 10:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
#[[User:ChanceManRox|CNE]]<br />
#<s>[[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]]</s><br />
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== Separations of Windows Products is not consistent ==<br />
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On the wiki a choice has been made to separate some products, like Windows Server 2008 from Windows Vista. This separation makes little sense, considering products like Windows NT 3.X Server, Windows NT 4.X Server, Windows 2000 Server, Windows 10 Server Rdsh, Hyper-V Server, Server Web 2008 are not separated. It however makes sense for Windows Server 2003, which branched off the main source tree, featuring different code, and a different codename. The same can be said as with server 2003 for XP MCE, and XP TabletPC. I am proposing that we agree on a standard to separate products in a consistent manner. There is also no difference between Windows RT and Windows 8, aside from the hardware it can run on. People have been doing separations based on the sole principle of if the branding is different, then it should be separated, but this is also not consistently applied with things like Windows Server Web, and thus, we lack a standard. An idea that could be adopted is to separate a product when the codename and the underlying binary code is different as with the rest. This would work for Tablet PC, MCE, Home Server, Server 2003 etc... but would consider things like Server 2008 the same. Relevant discord discussion: https://discordapp.com/channels/305415513503432705/305415513503432705/740487659645829141 (please read for more background)<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
# We should separate things based on what almost everyone count. [[User:Yue Ling|ThatRandomToast]] ([[User talk:Yue Ling|talk]]) 13:38, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
# [[User:Gus33000|Gus33000]] ([[User talk:Gus33000|talk]]) 09:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 09:42, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 10:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 11:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Ovctvct|Ovctvct]] ([[User talk:Ovctvct|talk]]) 13:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Applegame12345i|Applegame12345i]] ([[User talk:Applegame12345i|talk]])<br />
# [[User:Cirrubec|Cirrubec]] ([[User talk:Cirrubec|talk]]) 14:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:WindowsBetaGeek|WindowsBetaGeek]] ([[User talk:WindowsBetaGeek|talk]]) 15:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Discussion ===<br />
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== Windows 10 updates vs development cycles ==<br />
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With the nearing release of [[Windows Server 2022]], perhaps it's the time to clear up the difference between updates and development cycles. Up to last year, Microsoft consistently (mostly) released an update at the end of each development cycle, therefore we didn't have the need to differentiate between the two, however, Manganese/Iron/Cobalt have bumped the system significantly and I feel that there is a need for a systematic solution, since renaming Iron Server to 2022 clearly won't make the cut. [[Windows 10X]] is going to cause some problems as well, considering it follows the same development cycle system and in all aspects is pretty much an SKU of Windows but all builds go currently to the same page. Discuss. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 20:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)<br />
:imo i think manganese and iron server should be deleted cuz they are redundant now. Why? All the manganese and iron server builds are now in server 2022. cant i replace server manganese and iron with redirects? urgh... [[User:Norman|Norman]] 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Quick question: why do you care so much? The admins have already made the decision. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 12:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::In case of Manganese/Iron and server 2022, we essentially have ''duplicates'' that are pretty much the same pages, the only differences is that on server 2022, the page has both manganese AND iron based server builds. I think that manganese and iron server pages should be removed because the server 2022 page exists. Dunno what to do about cobalt and nickel tho. :/ [[User:Norman|Norman]] 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Are applications that aren't pre-installed on Windows allowed? ==<br />
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Are applications that aren't pre-installed on Windows allowed such as Scratch? I mean, Scratch has quite alot of versions over the years, starting development back in 2003 and officially releasing in 2007. {{unsigned|BetaFan}}<br />
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== I think BetaWiki should add the languages that the Build have. ==<br />
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This is important.Like Windows ME 2499.7,includes Chinese (Simplified, PRC); English (United States); German (Germany); Hebrew (Israel); Japanese (Japan); Korean (Korea).{{Unsigned|AVMLOVER}}<br />
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== Windows Server version 21H2 should be deleted ==<br />
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I think this page should be deleted because there's a confusion. Is "Windows Server 2022" or "Windows Server version 21H2" real 21H2? If "Windows Server version 21H2" real 21H2, then "Windows Server 2022" should be 22H1 or something else. If "Windows Server 2022" is real 21H2 then this page should be deleted.<br />
{{Unsigned|Windows .NET Server 2003}}<br />
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I disagree, because much like 21H2 client, it can be obtained through enablement packages. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 14:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Lemme just say it, just like 21H2 client, it can be obtained through enablement packages. The enablement packages in question are:<br />
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Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~en-US~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~en-US~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-Product-Data-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-Product-Data-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
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[[User:Scamdisk|Scamdisk]] ([[User talk:Scamdisk|talk]]) 14:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Then tell me which one is real 21H2. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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: All of these files that were listed by Scamdisk are part of 21H2. Install the latest Windows 10 update (assuming you're on [[Windows 10 version 21H1|21H1]]) and run the batch script found in the [[Windows 10 build 19044.1023]] page as administrator to get 21H2, and then open up winver. <br />
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:That's all the proof I can give to you that 21H2 exists. - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 14:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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: You can know which one when you start reading instead of asking questions. -[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 14:29, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::Can you stop me asking to google everything? [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::Both are seemnly real, I mean I wouldn't had made the page if I didn't find the enablement packages. [[User:Scamdisk|Scamdisk]] ([[User_talk:Scamdisk|talk]]) 14:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::::It was not tempting along with Client 21H2, because normally I was expecting Server 21H2 to be in "Iron" Codebase and Client 21H2 to be in "Cobalt" or "Nickel" codebase. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::::What? [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Working on other OSes ==<br />
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This wiki has a lot of stuff about Windows. I'm happy about that, but it's just that the other OSes are going completely unrecognized. Some OSes don't even have version pages. Literally about every build of Windows does, even if it's just an infobox and a sentence or two. I would like to see more work done on the other OSes on the wiki. [[Special:Contributions/152.26.89.248|152.26.89.248]] 14:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:It's pretty easy to criticize on work (or lack thereof) done by others, so why not take the challenge and try to improve the wiki by yourself? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::The creation of the wiki takes multiple people, not just one. It's very obvious that you need more than one person to run a wiki. Otherwise, it's just a rotting webpage. Tell everybody else to work on the wiki. Why don't you start to tell others start as well? [[Special:Contributions/152.26.89.218|152.26.89.218]] 15:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Other operating systems might seem to be neglected either due to lack of interest or due to lack of knowledge from a significant portion of the current userbase. That being said, there are members which contribute to sections about other OSes quite frequently. In the end, this is a non-commercial site run by volunteers who do all their work in their free time and as a result, there is nobody working for BetaWiki as a full time employee. It just so happens that most of the userbase is interested in Windows, presumably because it's what's running on their own computers. Since nobody is getting paid to do this, your best bet is to add any content you feel that is missing yourself. Perhaps someone will take notice and join you on this. --[[User:Cvolton|Cvolton]] ([[User Talk:Cvolton|talk]] | [[special:contributions/Cvolton|contribs]]) 16:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should we merge all "Windows 10 Manganese, Iron, Cobalt and Nickel" pages into one? ==<br />
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I think these pages should be merged like how Windows Longhorn and Vista pages are merged into one. Or will the merged page be very long? {{Unsigned|Windows .NET Server 2003}}<br />
: They're development cycles, not one version, therefore they should stay as is. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 00:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
: ...and why would you want to do that? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 01:19, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Because Windows Longhorn and Vista merged into one page. I got this idea yesterday. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 10:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::The difference between Longhorn/Vista and Manganese/Iron/Cobalt/Nickel is that the latter are different projects while the former were basically the same. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 12:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::What would you call the resulting article? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Won't they be released to non-Insiders as RTM with different name in future? I think all of them should be merged in one page. Also I think major update can be postponed again. Major update can be 22H1 not 21H2 I think. Because 21H2 still uses 20H1 kernel and it doesn't seem to be a major update. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 12:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Even if so, they were development cycles of that release. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 13:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::If they're development cycles of Windows 10, then Windows Longhorn is a development cycle of Windows Vista. So these pages should be merged. If not then Windows Longhorn and Vista seperated. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is Longhorn a development cycle for Vista? --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Longhorn is not a development cycle tho. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::If you consider Longhorn a dev cycle for Vista you might as well consider Whistler as a dev cycle for XP, and you'd fall into a loop of dev cycles here. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Anyways, they should be merged in one like how Longhorn and Vista are merged. I can't believe why all of my ideas get refused. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::'''they're dev cycles, not one release.''' [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Then Longhorn is not a one release too. Is there any Windows Longhorn RTM (Not talking about Vista)? [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Longhorn was reset, it was supposed to RTM. Development cycles on the other hand are not tied to a Windows release. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::So, it means they won't be released to non-Insiders as 21H2 when it'll be stable? And all Windows versions from now will be 19045, 19046, 19047... [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::As of right now non-Insiders are on 21H1 with 21H2 (19044) already in the works. We don't know much further than that. However, as most people have said already: Manganese, Iron, Cobalt and Nickel are all development cycles and are not tied to a single release of Windows 10. Some of their features, such as News and Interests, will get ported over to non-Insiders. Longhorn didn't have this concept of development cycles. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Can you even tell the difference between a development cycle and a release? The way you equate Longhorn and Manganese/Iron/Cobalt brings me to doubts. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 18:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Well, I just think all this discussion is absolutely pointless. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 18:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::I won't talk with you guys again. You guys and I will not be able to make peace. Or else I'll be cancer. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 19:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::::It's ok. I got it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 07:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Is it a bug or something? ==<br />
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Normally we can see all recent changes up to 500. But I wanna see 1000 at once, so I've changed the link to this "https://betawiki.net/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&limit=1000&days=30&enhanced=1&urlversion=2" by replacing 500 with 1000. Then I wanted to see more recent changes. I replaced 1000 with 2000. It actually showed me last 2000 changes. But the link description and limit showed on "Results to show"" are stuck to "1000", Finally, I made 3000, it actually made me see all changes to 22 May, but link description and limit showed on "Results to show" are still stucked on 1000. Is this a bug or some feature to prevent BetaWiki to slow down? [[User:94.123.39.175|94.123.39.175]] ([[User_talk:94.123.39.175|talk]]) 11:17, 7 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Merging of Manganese, Iron and Cobalt ==<br />
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Exactly what it says on the tin. I have a proposed draft on my [[User:Winins/Sandbox2|sandbox]]. The reason for this is now that Windows 11 exists, we have a reason to merge these pages and we know what we will call the article.<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 08:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|Norman]] 08:49, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Icanttellyou|Icanttellyou]] ([[User talk:Icanttellyou|talk]]) 09:01, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:26 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
# ✔ '''Support''' - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 11:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:39, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 08:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
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===Discussion===<br />
Wait, I also asked the same thing before. But it was rejected. So, I don't think your request will be accepted. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:10, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
:You asked the question before Windows 11 was confirmed so /shrug --[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 10:13, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I'm very confused about what to say about this. I don't see any fairness. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:17, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::You need to realize that back then, Windows 11 wasn't a thing when you suggested to merge said pages. Information changes all the time and as the Winins said, <code> The reason for this is now that Windows 11 exists</code>[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:23, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Then, there's nothing I can do about that. I can only add myself as "Oppose" and it's worthless. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:39, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I think we should merge just the builds on the existing [[Windows 10 Cobalt]] page into the Windows 11 page, because Windows 11's RTM release is also based on the Cobalt codebase, and many of the early Cobalt builds which still branded themselves as Windows 10 included some Windows 11 features such as the new icons and virtual desktop improvements. --[[Special:Contributions/86.4.119.180|86.4.119.180]] 16:33, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Thing is, Cobalt is only one dev cycle of the three responsible for Windows 11, [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:46, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing <code>rs_loc</code> builds ==<br />
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Minimum and maximum version numbers don't exactly tell whether or not the build actually exists. It's just a maximum version number. Ones like [[Windows 10 build 21330 (rs loc)|this one]] make sense as they actually say <code>OperatingSystemBuildNumber</code>. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 16:53, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Icanttellyou|Icanttellyou]] ([[User talk:Icanttellyou|talk]]) 16:54, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 11:27, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
#[[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 17:24, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 11:26, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|Norman]] 11:29, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|LePikaDuCoin YT]] 17:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Discussion===<br />
I'm in favor of also removing most pages that rely on <code>appxmanifest.xml</code>to get the page's build number. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
:I just tried to be stinky for a while. Otherwise I don't care about the <code>rs_loc</code> pages. You can do it whatever you want. {{Unsigned|Mbczadgjliqetup}}<br />
:To be fair, all of these pages and that includes the page that Orbitron linked as making sense don't really bring much information other than "this build number probably exists". Also would Norman and Nara mind explaining why they oppose this proposal? It's not majority but arguments that win such debates🙄 --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I think that the pages are becoming quite cluttered because of these builds. [[Special:Contributions/86.4.119.180|86.4.119.180]] 14:52, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I thought we made it clear that file versions '''never''' indicate that build is confirmed to exist, and if that is a sole reason a build page exists, it would be removed. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:i marked my self on oppose, cuz of these two pages, windows 8 build 8331 winmain and windows 8.1 build 9428, which were winJS build pages left behind from the cleanup last may. If these (winjs) pages are still there, i think its fair to keep the windows 10 localization builds, is it not? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 16:13, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I thought we were in the process of removing those pages, no? [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I am not sure what do buildtags from WinJS have to do with this? That's a completely different thing. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::i think that while winjs and lxps are two completely different things, these pages are very similar to each other, like how they come out of a certain file, full strings and build numbers for winjs and build numbers for lxps (in the latters case, it is the tested versions) i dont understand why 9428 and 8331 winmain are still there despite the rest of the winjs build pages being deleted last may [[User:Norman|Norman]] 16:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh my god... Why are you bothering with the WinJS pages again? If they still weren't removed as of July 2021, I suppose it was decided to keep them. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 16:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Well there is also the pretty big difference of language packs merely defining the minimum and maximum tested OS build number, while WinJS contained legitimate OS build tags. We stopped deleting them as we realized that they are valuable pieces of information, although most of them have already been lost due to the deleted page contents being purged immediately after most eligible pages have been deleted. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, okay. I marked myself as oppose now. [[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 01:05, 5 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Unable To Fix Windows 10 Cursor Glitch Issue ==<br />
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Hello friends. This is my first post in this forum. For the past few days, I have been suffering from Glitch problems with my computer's cursor. Currently, I am using Windows10 on my computer. I don’t know why this is happening, and how to fix this issue. I am using Windows10. Can anyone provide any suggestions for this issue? Any help will be appreciated. {{unsigned|Jamesdanner}}<br />
:Hi. This is not a forum, it's a wiki. As such, it's not really suited for this kind of thing. We have a Discord server where someone might be able to help you out, though. Link is in the menu on the left side.--[[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 16:48, 12 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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So, after searching a lot I found a solution from [https://digicruncher.com/windows-10-cursor-glitch/ this] article. {{unsigned|Jamesdanner}}<br />
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== Suggestion for user pages ==<br />
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Hello, I have a suggestion for user pages: making the content editable only by the owner of the page and the staff (because if the staff can’t write on user pages they can’t put warnings). I think this will be a good feature for preventing vandalism on user pages {{Unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:This is already a thing. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:20, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:: Yes. Filter 8, I think. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:21, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
It’s not because if I want to edit for example Orbitron’s page, the editor show and it can edit the page (I didn’t edited the page anyways)<br />
:The edits get blocked by the abuse filter. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
Ok, i didn’t knew this. It’s because there’s no warning and also because Edit and Edit Source buttons are showing up on other user pages</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=BetaWiki:Community_portal&diff=138884BetaWiki:Community portal2021-07-16T17:25:42Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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== Removing "RTM Update" builds ==<br />
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After seeing some of these recent new Windows build pages, I feel like the "RTM Update" pages has to go. Most of these RTM Update pages are from Windows Update, and since there are over thousands of updates for each version of Windows, documenting RTM Update builds will take an extremely long time with Windows versions above 2000 having about 1000 pages worth of RTM Update builds. In case you don't know what I mean, here are some examples:<br />
*[[Windows 2000 build 2195.7397]]<br />
*[[Windows XP build 2600.7259]]<br />
*[[Windows Vista build 6001.18702]]<br />
*[[Windows Server 2003 build 3790.5190]]<br />
*[[Windows 8.1 build 9600.31213]]<br />
Do note that there are some builds that will be specifically staying. Any betas of Service Packs will stay (including the Spring 2014 Update of Windows 8.1 and Server 2012 R2), as they are still betas and achieve our goal of documenting betas. [[Windows Server 2008 build 6003|Windows Server 2008 build 6003.20489]] is also a special exception that will stay on this wiki due to the unique build number update. However, most of the remaining Update RTM builds should be removed as they only add more clutter to the wiki. I have a good feeling most of the RTM Update builds are also buildlist builds. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 14:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
=== Support ===<br />
#[[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 14:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 18:57, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 19:01, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Wheatley|Wheatley]] ([[User talk:Wheatley|talk]]) 19:03, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#-- [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]]) 17:26, 25 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Strix|Strix]] ([[User talk:Strix|talk]]) 15:59, 18 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
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== Find 5 differences ==<br />
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https://windowsxp.miraheze.org/wiki/Windows_XP vs. [[Windows XP]]<br />
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--<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:That kid is creating more wikis... again?? They should deny his req, we've had enough. --[[User:ATeamInc|ATeamInc]] ([[User talk:ATeamInc|talk]]) 17:41, 23 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:could you please stop calling us kids? also stop making fun of our wikis.[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.149|43.224.156.149]] 15:39, 25 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:: ...and my really first and last wiki: https://windows95wiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Windows_95 vs. [[Windows 95]]. -- [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]]) 17:24, 25 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
::: Next time this happens, their acc should be reported if that is possible. BTW, the Windows 10 wiki is still going. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 02:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::: [[User:Meow]]: Ever heard of alts? Sockpuppets?<br />
:::: Also whats wrong with creating wikis? And i dont see anything wrong just if a wiki is still going.[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.138|43.224.156.138]] 12:57, 13 August 2019 (UTC)<br />
::::: It looks like the Windows 95 wiki is shutting down, it’s closed right now. Apparently in 6 months it will be deleted. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 17:07, 28 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Heck yes! The Windows 95 wiki was deleted! -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 00:48, 1 May 2020 (UTC)<br />
:::::: THE WINDOWS XP AND 95 WIKI WERE DELETED! YES!!!! -[[User:Redfong2|Redfong2]] ([[User talk:Redfong2|talk]]<br />
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== Can't seem to upload files ==<br />
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I get this error, "Internal error: Server failed to store temporary file." Can it be fixed?--[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.138|43.224.156.138]] 12:55, 13 August 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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This is just crossing the line. https://freevandalism.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/185.222.27.241<br />
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Also, if you reject this, this will prove how toxic you all are, and also prove you support harassment. Also, I might actually make a Toxic Fandoms & Hatedoms Wiki page about your community.[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.155|43.224.156.155]] 06:34, 24 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:That was done by a single user from our Discord who isn't a staff member. [[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 08:32, 24 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Improved Windows Vista "about" screenshots ==<br />
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I've improved many Windows Vista builds [[Windows Vista build 5435|5435]] to [[Windows Vista build 5754|5754]] "about" screenshots to have '''[[Windows Aero]]''' + '''AeroShot'''. Coming up will be these builds: (you can help me with this)<br />
* [[Windows Vista]] Service Pack 1 and 2 builds - [[Windows Vista build 6001.16549]] to [[Windows Vista build 6002.17043]] ([[Windows Vista build 6001.18000]] and [[Windows Vista build 6002.16489]] are done!)<br />
* [[Windows 7]] and Service Pack 1 builds - ([[Windows 7 build 6801]] to [[Windows 7 build 7601.17105|7601.17105]] are done!) with some builds done (ALL BUILDS ARE COMPLETED!)<br />
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* [[Windows 8]] builds - [[Windows 8 build 8102.0]] to [[Windows 8 build 8400]] ([[Windows 8 build 8128]] to [[Windows 8 build 8330 (fbl ie longhorn)|8330 (fbl ie longhorn)]] are done!) (except [[Windows 8 build 8250]])<br />
I hope that change will improve future our wiki! [[User:Strix|Strix]] ([[User talk:Strix|talk]]) 14:18, 18 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Windows 10/Server 20H2 and 21H1 pages should be deleted ==<br />
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I suggest that the [[Windows 10 20H2]] and [[Windows 10 21H1]] articles should be deleted. The same should be done to their [[Windows Server 20H2|server]] [[Windows Server 21H1|counterparts]]. These articles are just speculation. We don't know what the recent builds are of, as they are just active development builds of Windows 10.<br />
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To hold the Fast ring builds, we should make a page like Windows 10/Fast ring builds or similar, without any speculation. I feel like this should remove speculation and ambiguity about the Windows 10 active development builds and make the wiki better. -- [[Special:Contributions/2.27.117.92|2.27.117.92]] 14:27, 12 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
#-- [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]]) 18:13, 12 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
#-- [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 00:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Discussion ===<br />
''"We don't know what the recent builds are of, as they are just active development builds of Windows 10."'' I am not quite sure if you fully understand what you are talking about, anyway, I moved both 20H2 and 21H1 to Manganese for now to prevent confusion. When the 20H2 cumulative update development begins, it will get its own page again. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 02:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
==Sandbox==<br />
make a sandbox[[Special:Contributions/209.107.216.61|209.107.216.61]] 19:40, 19 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
:[[BetaWiki:Sandbox]] --[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 06:31, 21 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Write dates in full ==<br />
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ISO 8601 (YYYY-MM-DD) format is uncommon in English prose, and should not be used within sentences. It looks quite ugly for months, for example, 2020-06.<br />
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More examples:<br />
* Imagine if we write about an event that has been taking place in 28 - 30 June 2020, how should we write that in ISO 8601, "2020-06-28 to 2020-06-30" or "2020-06-28 to 30"?<br />
* If we write "28, 29 and 30 June 2020" in common use, how should we write that in ISO 8601, "2020-06-28, 29 and 30" or something like that?<br />
* If we say "late June 2015", writing it as "late 2015-07" looks so ugly.<br />
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So, do you think we should write the date in full, like "30 June 2020" or "June 30, 2020"? [[User:Yue Ling|Yue Ling]] ([[User talk:Yue Ling|talk]]) 14:30, 30 June 2020 (UTC)<br />
: "30 June 2020" will be better. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)<br />
: You use the full ISO date for ranges. Either way, I am fine with using either in prose, as long as it is consistent, so you don't end up with articles that use both date-first and month-first. Don't use it in infoboxes for now, as they can't handle it, probably avoid using it in tables as well. Consider something like the [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Dates, months, and years|Wikipedia's Manual of Style section on date formatting]]. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 08:19, 1 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
::Put up a draft of the new policy onto the [[BetaWiki:Guidelines#Date formats (draft)|Guidelines]] page. (and yes, I was very inspired by the wikipedia policy at this) --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 21:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:::I decided to go solely for the DMY format, as that is what the MediaWiki signatures already use, plus the MDY format doesn't really work that well in titles. Allowing both was an option I considered, but that would be quite inconsistent, which I think would look quite stupid on such a small wiki. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 11:19, 27 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Allow me to upload files bigger than 2MB ==<br />
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Hi. I want to upload some screenshots of [[Windows 10 build 20158]]. There's one problem though, I can't upload files bigger than 2MB, I want to find a way to bypass this. Can the admins please make the file size limit bigger? File size of these pics are 2.1MiB. [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 23:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:That might be a limitation of MediaWiki and not something the admins can change very easily. You could always just compress your images a bit. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Should indefinite blocked users have their user pages deleted? ==<br />
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I think so. They are not coming back to BetaWiki, and they just take up space. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 15:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
# [[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 15:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 15:27, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 15:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
# They take up space even if deleted. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
# Oftentimes funny to point and laugh at these people's userpages, especially the really young and dumb ones like Win2005/Kool Guy. [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 16:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Talk ===<br />
Cosmo, you need to think about the users themselves. Do they really want that on BetaWiki after they are blocked? -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 16:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:One thing: remove some of the blank ones such as [[User:Microsoft Windows XP|Microsoft Windows XP]]. [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 16:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
::Also, even if this does not get implemented, ones like MCpillager need to go. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 16:20, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:They can always contact me if they want their user pages gone. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 18:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
::Because MCpillager needs *so* much thought, especially when he made hundreds of articles screaming about raping people. See what Ryuzaki said. [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Separating Windows RT/RT 8.1 ==<br />
Since Windows RT/RT 8.1 have different brand names, should we separate it? {{unsigned|Yue Ling}}<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
# [[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 07:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# Please see my talk on discord, #community-portal - https://discordapp.com/channels/305415513503432705/305415513503432705/740487659645829141 [[User:Gus33000|Gus33000]] ([[User talk:Gus33000|talk]]) 09:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 09:41, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 10:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
#[[User:ChanceManRox|CNE]]<br />
#<s>[[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]]</s><br />
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== Separations of Windows Products is not consistent ==<br />
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On the wiki a choice has been made to separate some products, like Windows Server 2008 from Windows Vista. This separation makes little sense, considering products like Windows NT 3.X Server, Windows NT 4.X Server, Windows 2000 Server, Windows 10 Server Rdsh, Hyper-V Server, Server Web 2008 are not separated. It however makes sense for Windows Server 2003, which branched off the main source tree, featuring different code, and a different codename. The same can be said as with server 2003 for XP MCE, and XP TabletPC. I am proposing that we agree on a standard to separate products in a consistent manner. There is also no difference between Windows RT and Windows 8, aside from the hardware it can run on. People have been doing separations based on the sole principle of if the branding is different, then it should be separated, but this is also not consistently applied with things like Windows Server Web, and thus, we lack a standard. An idea that could be adopted is to separate a product when the codename and the underlying binary code is different as with the rest. This would work for Tablet PC, MCE, Home Server, Server 2003 etc... but would consider things like Server 2008 the same. Relevant discord discussion: https://discordapp.com/channels/305415513503432705/305415513503432705/740487659645829141 (please read for more background)<br />
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# We should separate things based on what almost everyone count. [[User:Yue Ling|ThatRandomToast]] ([[User talk:Yue Ling|talk]]) 13:38, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
# [[User:Gus33000|Gus33000]] ([[User talk:Gus33000|talk]]) 09:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 09:42, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 10:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 11:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Ovctvct|Ovctvct]] ([[User talk:Ovctvct|talk]]) 13:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Applegame12345i|Applegame12345i]] ([[User talk:Applegame12345i|talk]])<br />
# [[User:Cirrubec|Cirrubec]] ([[User talk:Cirrubec|talk]]) 14:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:WindowsBetaGeek|WindowsBetaGeek]] ([[User talk:WindowsBetaGeek|talk]]) 15:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Discussion ===<br />
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== Windows 10 updates vs development cycles ==<br />
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With the nearing release of [[Windows Server 2022]], perhaps it's the time to clear up the difference between updates and development cycles. Up to last year, Microsoft consistently (mostly) released an update at the end of each development cycle, therefore we didn't have the need to differentiate between the two, however, Manganese/Iron/Cobalt have bumped the system significantly and I feel that there is a need for a systematic solution, since renaming Iron Server to 2022 clearly won't make the cut. [[Windows 10X]] is going to cause some problems as well, considering it follows the same development cycle system and in all aspects is pretty much an SKU of Windows but all builds go currently to the same page. Discuss. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 20:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)<br />
:imo i think manganese and iron server should be deleted cuz they are redundant now. Why? All the manganese and iron server builds are now in server 2022. cant i replace server manganese and iron with redirects? urgh... [[User:Norman|Norman]] 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Quick question: why do you care so much? The admins have already made the decision. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 12:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::In case of Manganese/Iron and server 2022, we essentially have ''duplicates'' that are pretty much the same pages, the only differences is that on server 2022, the page has both manganese AND iron based server builds. I think that manganese and iron server pages should be removed because the server 2022 page exists. Dunno what to do about cobalt and nickel tho. :/ [[User:Norman|Norman]] 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Are applications that aren't pre-installed on Windows allowed? ==<br />
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Are applications that aren't pre-installed on Windows allowed such as Scratch? I mean, Scratch has quite alot of versions over the years, starting development back in 2003 and officially releasing in 2007. {{unsigned|BetaFan}}<br />
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== I think BetaWiki should add the languages that the Build have. ==<br />
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This is important.Like Windows ME 2499.7,includes Chinese (Simplified, PRC); English (United States); German (Germany); Hebrew (Israel); Japanese (Japan); Korean (Korea).{{Unsigned|AVMLOVER}}<br />
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== Windows Server version 21H2 should be deleted ==<br />
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I think this page should be deleted because there's a confusion. Is "Windows Server 2022" or "Windows Server version 21H2" real 21H2? If "Windows Server version 21H2" real 21H2, then "Windows Server 2022" should be 22H1 or something else. If "Windows Server 2022" is real 21H2 then this page should be deleted.<br />
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I disagree, because much like 21H2 client, it can be obtained through enablement packages. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 14:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Lemme just say it, just like 21H2 client, it can be obtained through enablement packages. The enablement packages in question are:<br />
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Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~en-US~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~en-US~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-Product-Data-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-Product-Data-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
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[[User:Scamdisk|Scamdisk]] ([[User talk:Scamdisk|talk]]) 14:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Then tell me which one is real 21H2. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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: All of these files that were listed by Scamdisk are part of 21H2. Install the latest Windows 10 update (assuming you're on [[Windows 10 version 21H1|21H1]]) and run the batch script found in the [[Windows 10 build 19044.1023]] page as administrator to get 21H2, and then open up winver. <br />
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:That's all the proof I can give to you that 21H2 exists. - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 14:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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: You can know which one when you start reading instead of asking questions. -[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 14:29, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::Can you stop me asking to google everything? [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::Both are seemnly real, I mean I wouldn't had made the page if I didn't find the enablement packages. [[User:Scamdisk|Scamdisk]] ([[User_talk:Scamdisk|talk]]) 14:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::::It was not tempting along with Client 21H2, because normally I was expecting Server 21H2 to be in "Iron" Codebase and Client 21H2 to be in "Cobalt" or "Nickel" codebase. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::::What? [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Working on other OSes ==<br />
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This wiki has a lot of stuff about Windows. I'm happy about that, but it's just that the other OSes are going completely unrecognized. Some OSes don't even have version pages. Literally about every build of Windows does, even if it's just an infobox and a sentence or two. I would like to see more work done on the other OSes on the wiki. [[Special:Contributions/152.26.89.248|152.26.89.248]] 14:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:It's pretty easy to criticize on work (or lack thereof) done by others, so why not take the challenge and try to improve the wiki by yourself? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::The creation of the wiki takes multiple people, not just one. It's very obvious that you need more than one person to run a wiki. Otherwise, it's just a rotting webpage. Tell everybody else to work on the wiki. Why don't you start to tell others start as well? [[Special:Contributions/152.26.89.218|152.26.89.218]] 15:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Other operating systems might seem to be neglected either due to lack of interest or due to lack of knowledge from a significant portion of the current userbase. That being said, there are members which contribute to sections about other OSes quite frequently. In the end, this is a non-commercial site run by volunteers who do all their work in their free time and as a result, there is nobody working for BetaWiki as a full time employee. It just so happens that most of the userbase is interested in Windows, presumably because it's what's running on their own computers. Since nobody is getting paid to do this, your best bet is to add any content you feel that is missing yourself. Perhaps someone will take notice and join you on this. --[[User:Cvolton|Cvolton]] ([[User Talk:Cvolton|talk]] | [[special:contributions/Cvolton|contribs]]) 16:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should we merge all "Windows 10 Manganese, Iron, Cobalt and Nickel" pages into one? ==<br />
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I think these pages should be merged like how Windows Longhorn and Vista pages are merged into one. Or will the merged page be very long? {{Unsigned|Windows .NET Server 2003}}<br />
: They're development cycles, not one version, therefore they should stay as is. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 00:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
: ...and why would you want to do that? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 01:19, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Because Windows Longhorn and Vista merged into one page. I got this idea yesterday. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 10:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::The difference between Longhorn/Vista and Manganese/Iron/Cobalt/Nickel is that the latter are different projects while the former were basically the same. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 12:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::What would you call the resulting article? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Won't they be released to non-Insiders as RTM with different name in future? I think all of them should be merged in one page. Also I think major update can be postponed again. Major update can be 22H1 not 21H2 I think. Because 21H2 still uses 20H1 kernel and it doesn't seem to be a major update. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 12:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Even if so, they were development cycles of that release. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 13:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::If they're development cycles of Windows 10, then Windows Longhorn is a development cycle of Windows Vista. So these pages should be merged. If not then Windows Longhorn and Vista seperated. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is Longhorn a development cycle for Vista? --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Longhorn is not a development cycle tho. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::If you consider Longhorn a dev cycle for Vista you might as well consider Whistler as a dev cycle for XP, and you'd fall into a loop of dev cycles here. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Anyways, they should be merged in one like how Longhorn and Vista are merged. I can't believe why all of my ideas get refused. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::'''they're dev cycles, not one release.''' [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Then Longhorn is not a one release too. Is there any Windows Longhorn RTM (Not talking about Vista)? [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Longhorn was reset, it was supposed to RTM. Development cycles on the other hand are not tied to a Windows release. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::So, it means they won't be released to non-Insiders as 21H2 when it'll be stable? And all Windows versions from now will be 19045, 19046, 19047... [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::As of right now non-Insiders are on 21H1 with 21H2 (19044) already in the works. We don't know much further than that. However, as most people have said already: Manganese, Iron, Cobalt and Nickel are all development cycles and are not tied to a single release of Windows 10. Some of their features, such as News and Interests, will get ported over to non-Insiders. Longhorn didn't have this concept of development cycles. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Can you even tell the difference between a development cycle and a release? The way you equate Longhorn and Manganese/Iron/Cobalt brings me to doubts. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 18:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Well, I just think all this discussion is absolutely pointless. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 18:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::I won't talk with you guys again. You guys and I will not be able to make peace. Or else I'll be cancer. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 19:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::::It's ok. I got it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 07:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Is it a bug or something? ==<br />
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Normally we can see all recent changes up to 500. But I wanna see 1000 at once, so I've changed the link to this "https://betawiki.net/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&limit=1000&days=30&enhanced=1&urlversion=2" by replacing 500 with 1000. Then I wanted to see more recent changes. I replaced 1000 with 2000. It actually showed me last 2000 changes. But the link description and limit showed on "Results to show"" are stuck to "1000", Finally, I made 3000, it actually made me see all changes to 22 May, but link description and limit showed on "Results to show" are still stucked on 1000. Is this a bug or some feature to prevent BetaWiki to slow down? [[User:94.123.39.175|94.123.39.175]] ([[User_talk:94.123.39.175|talk]]) 11:17, 7 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Merging of Manganese, Iron and Cobalt ==<br />
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Exactly what it says on the tin. I have a proposed draft on my [[User:Winins/Sandbox2|sandbox]]. The reason for this is now that Windows 11 exists, we have a reason to merge these pages and we know what we will call the article.<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 08:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|Norman]] 08:49, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Icanttellyou|Icanttellyou]] ([[User talk:Icanttellyou|talk]]) 09:01, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:26 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
# ✔ '''Support''' - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 11:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:39, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 08:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Wait, I also asked the same thing before. But it was rejected. So, I don't think your request will be accepted. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:10, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
:You asked the question before Windows 11 was confirmed so /shrug --[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 10:13, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I'm very confused about what to say about this. I don't see any fairness. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:17, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::You need to realize that back then, Windows 11 wasn't a thing when you suggested to merge said pages. Information changes all the time and as the Winins said, <code> The reason for this is now that Windows 11 exists</code>[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:23, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Then, there's nothing I can do about that. I can only add myself as "Oppose" and it's worthless. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:39, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I think we should merge just the builds on the existing [[Windows 10 Cobalt]] page into the Windows 11 page, because Windows 11's RTM release is also based on the Cobalt codebase, and many of the early Cobalt builds which still branded themselves as Windows 10 included some Windows 11 features such as the new icons and virtual desktop improvements. --[[Special:Contributions/86.4.119.180|86.4.119.180]] 16:33, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Thing is, Cobalt is only one dev cycle of the three responsible for Windows 11, [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:46, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing <code>rs_loc</code> builds ==<br />
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Minimum and maximum version numbers don't exactly tell whether or not the build actually exists. It's just a maximum version number. Ones like [[Windows 10 build 21330 (rs loc)|this one]] make sense as they actually say <code>OperatingSystemBuildNumber</code>. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 16:53, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Icanttellyou|Icanttellyou]] ([[User talk:Icanttellyou|talk]]) 16:54, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 11:27, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
#[[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 17:24, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 11:26, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|Norman]] 11:29, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|LePikaDuCoin YT]] 17:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Discussion===<br />
I'm in favor of also removing most pages that rely on <code>appxmanifest.xml</code>to get the page's build number. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
:I just tried to be stinky for a while. Otherwise I don't care about the <code>rs_loc</code> pages. You can do it whatever you want. {{Unsigned|Mbczadgjliqetup}}<br />
:To be fair, all of these pages and that includes the page that Orbitron linked as making sense don't really bring much information other than "this build number probably exists". Also would Norman and Nara mind explaining why they oppose this proposal? It's not majority but arguments that win such debates🙄 --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I think that the pages are becoming quite cluttered because of these builds. [[Special:Contributions/86.4.119.180|86.4.119.180]] 14:52, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I thought we made it clear that file versions '''never''' indicate that build is confirmed to exist, and if that is a sole reason a build page exists, it would be removed. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:i marked my self on oppose, cuz of these two pages, windows 8 build 8331 winmain and windows 8.1 build 9428, which were winJS build pages left behind from the cleanup last may. If these (winjs) pages are still there, i think its fair to keep the windows 10 localization builds, is it not? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 16:13, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I thought we were in the process of removing those pages, no? [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I am not sure what do buildtags from WinJS have to do with this? That's a completely different thing. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::i think that while winjs and lxps are two completely different things, these pages are very similar to each other, like how they come out of a certain file, full strings and build numbers for winjs and build numbers for lxps (in the latters case, it is the tested versions) i dont understand why 9428 and 8331 winmain are still there despite the rest of the winjs build pages being deleted last may [[User:Norman|Norman]] 16:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh my god... Why are you bothering with the WinJS pages again? If they still weren't removed as of July 2021, I suppose it was decided to keep them. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 16:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Well there is also the pretty big difference of language packs merely defining the minimum and maximum tested OS build number, while WinJS contained legitimate OS build tags. We stopped deleting them as we realized that they are valuable pieces of information, although most of them have already been lost due to the deleted page contents being purged immediately after most eligible pages have been deleted. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, okay. I marked myself as oppose now. [[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 01:05, 5 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Unable To Fix Windows 10 Cursor Glitch Issue ==<br />
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Hello friends. This is my first post in this forum. For the past few days, I have been suffering from Glitch problems with my computer's cursor. Currently, I am using Windows10 on my computer. I don’t know why this is happening, and how to fix this issue. I am using Windows10. Can anyone provide any suggestions for this issue? Any help will be appreciated. {{unsigned|Jamesdanner}}<br />
:Hi. This is not a forum, it's a wiki. As such, it's not really suited for this kind of thing. We have a Discord server where someone might be able to help you out, though. Link is in the menu on the left side.--[[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 16:48, 12 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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So, after searching a lot I found a solution from [https://digicruncher.com/windows-10-cursor-glitch/ this] article. {{unsigned|Jamesdanner}}<br />
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== Suggestion for user pages ==<br />
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Hello, I have a suggestion for user pages: making the content editable only by the owner of the page and the staff (because if the staff can’t write on user pages they can’t put warnings). I think this will be a good feature for preventing vandalism on user pages {{Unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:This is already a thing. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:20, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:: Yes. Filter 8, I think. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:21, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
It’s not because if I want to edit for example Orbitron’s page, the editor show and it can edit the page (I didn’t edited the page anyways)</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=BetaWiki:Community_portal&diff=138878BetaWiki:Community portal2021-07-16T17:24:11Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: /* Oppose */</p>
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== Removing "RTM Update" builds ==<br />
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After seeing some of these recent new Windows build pages, I feel like the "RTM Update" pages has to go. Most of these RTM Update pages are from Windows Update, and since there are over thousands of updates for each version of Windows, documenting RTM Update builds will take an extremely long time with Windows versions above 2000 having about 1000 pages worth of RTM Update builds. In case you don't know what I mean, here are some examples:<br />
*[[Windows 2000 build 2195.7397]]<br />
*[[Windows XP build 2600.7259]]<br />
*[[Windows Vista build 6001.18702]]<br />
*[[Windows Server 2003 build 3790.5190]]<br />
*[[Windows 8.1 build 9600.31213]]<br />
Do note that there are some builds that will be specifically staying. Any betas of Service Packs will stay (including the Spring 2014 Update of Windows 8.1 and Server 2012 R2), as they are still betas and achieve our goal of documenting betas. [[Windows Server 2008 build 6003|Windows Server 2008 build 6003.20489]] is also a special exception that will stay on this wiki due to the unique build number update. However, most of the remaining Update RTM builds should be removed as they only add more clutter to the wiki. I have a good feeling most of the RTM Update builds are also buildlist builds. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 14:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
=== Support ===<br />
#[[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 14:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 18:57, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 19:01, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Wheatley|Wheatley]] ([[User talk:Wheatley|talk]]) 19:03, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#-- [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]]) 17:26, 25 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Strix|Strix]] ([[User talk:Strix|talk]]) 15:59, 18 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
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== Find 5 differences ==<br />
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https://windowsxp.miraheze.org/wiki/Windows_XP vs. [[Windows XP]]<br />
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--<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:That kid is creating more wikis... again?? They should deny his req, we've had enough. --[[User:ATeamInc|ATeamInc]] ([[User talk:ATeamInc|talk]]) 17:41, 23 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:could you please stop calling us kids? also stop making fun of our wikis.[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.149|43.224.156.149]] 15:39, 25 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:: ...and my really first and last wiki: https://windows95wiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Windows_95 vs. [[Windows 95]]. -- [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]]) 17:24, 25 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
::: Next time this happens, their acc should be reported if that is possible. BTW, the Windows 10 wiki is still going. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 02:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::: [[User:Meow]]: Ever heard of alts? Sockpuppets?<br />
:::: Also whats wrong with creating wikis? And i dont see anything wrong just if a wiki is still going.[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.138|43.224.156.138]] 12:57, 13 August 2019 (UTC)<br />
::::: It looks like the Windows 95 wiki is shutting down, it’s closed right now. Apparently in 6 months it will be deleted. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 17:07, 28 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Heck yes! The Windows 95 wiki was deleted! -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 00:48, 1 May 2020 (UTC)<br />
:::::: THE WINDOWS XP AND 95 WIKI WERE DELETED! YES!!!! -[[User:Redfong2|Redfong2]] ([[User talk:Redfong2|talk]]<br />
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== Can't seem to upload files ==<br />
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I get this error, "Internal error: Server failed to store temporary file." Can it be fixed?--[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.138|43.224.156.138]] 12:55, 13 August 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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This is just crossing the line. https://freevandalism.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/185.222.27.241<br />
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Also, if you reject this, this will prove how toxic you all are, and also prove you support harassment. Also, I might actually make a Toxic Fandoms & Hatedoms Wiki page about your community.[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.155|43.224.156.155]] 06:34, 24 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:That was done by a single user from our Discord who isn't a staff member. [[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 08:32, 24 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Improved Windows Vista "about" screenshots ==<br />
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I've improved many Windows Vista builds [[Windows Vista build 5435|5435]] to [[Windows Vista build 5754|5754]] "about" screenshots to have '''[[Windows Aero]]''' + '''AeroShot'''. Coming up will be these builds: (you can help me with this)<br />
* [[Windows Vista]] Service Pack 1 and 2 builds - [[Windows Vista build 6001.16549]] to [[Windows Vista build 6002.17043]] ([[Windows Vista build 6001.18000]] and [[Windows Vista build 6002.16489]] are done!)<br />
* [[Windows 7]] and Service Pack 1 builds - ([[Windows 7 build 6801]] to [[Windows 7 build 7601.17105|7601.17105]] are done!) with some builds done (ALL BUILDS ARE COMPLETED!)<br />
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* [[Windows 8]] builds - [[Windows 8 build 8102.0]] to [[Windows 8 build 8400]] ([[Windows 8 build 8128]] to [[Windows 8 build 8330 (fbl ie longhorn)|8330 (fbl ie longhorn)]] are done!) (except [[Windows 8 build 8250]])<br />
I hope that change will improve future our wiki! [[User:Strix|Strix]] ([[User talk:Strix|talk]]) 14:18, 18 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Windows 10/Server 20H2 and 21H1 pages should be deleted ==<br />
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I suggest that the [[Windows 10 20H2]] and [[Windows 10 21H1]] articles should be deleted. The same should be done to their [[Windows Server 20H2|server]] [[Windows Server 21H1|counterparts]]. These articles are just speculation. We don't know what the recent builds are of, as they are just active development builds of Windows 10.<br />
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To hold the Fast ring builds, we should make a page like Windows 10/Fast ring builds or similar, without any speculation. I feel like this should remove speculation and ambiguity about the Windows 10 active development builds and make the wiki better. -- [[Special:Contributions/2.27.117.92|2.27.117.92]] 14:27, 12 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
#-- [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]]) 18:13, 12 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
#-- [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 00:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Discussion ===<br />
''"We don't know what the recent builds are of, as they are just active development builds of Windows 10."'' I am not quite sure if you fully understand what you are talking about, anyway, I moved both 20H2 and 21H1 to Manganese for now to prevent confusion. When the 20H2 cumulative update development begins, it will get its own page again. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 02:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
==Sandbox==<br />
make a sandbox[[Special:Contributions/209.107.216.61|209.107.216.61]] 19:40, 19 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
:[[BetaWiki:Sandbox]] --[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 06:31, 21 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Write dates in full ==<br />
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ISO 8601 (YYYY-MM-DD) format is uncommon in English prose, and should not be used within sentences. It looks quite ugly for months, for example, 2020-06.<br />
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More examples:<br />
* Imagine if we write about an event that has been taking place in 28 - 30 June 2020, how should we write that in ISO 8601, "2020-06-28 to 2020-06-30" or "2020-06-28 to 30"?<br />
* If we write "28, 29 and 30 June 2020" in common use, how should we write that in ISO 8601, "2020-06-28, 29 and 30" or something like that?<br />
* If we say "late June 2015", writing it as "late 2015-07" looks so ugly.<br />
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So, do you think we should write the date in full, like "30 June 2020" or "June 30, 2020"? [[User:Yue Ling|Yue Ling]] ([[User talk:Yue Ling|talk]]) 14:30, 30 June 2020 (UTC)<br />
: "30 June 2020" will be better. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)<br />
: You use the full ISO date for ranges. Either way, I am fine with using either in prose, as long as it is consistent, so you don't end up with articles that use both date-first and month-first. Don't use it in infoboxes for now, as they can't handle it, probably avoid using it in tables as well. Consider something like the [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Dates, months, and years|Wikipedia's Manual of Style section on date formatting]]. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 08:19, 1 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
::Put up a draft of the new policy onto the [[BetaWiki:Guidelines#Date formats (draft)|Guidelines]] page. (and yes, I was very inspired by the wikipedia policy at this) --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 21:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:::I decided to go solely for the DMY format, as that is what the MediaWiki signatures already use, plus the MDY format doesn't really work that well in titles. Allowing both was an option I considered, but that would be quite inconsistent, which I think would look quite stupid on such a small wiki. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 11:19, 27 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Allow me to upload files bigger than 2MB ==<br />
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Hi. I want to upload some screenshots of [[Windows 10 build 20158]]. There's one problem though, I can't upload files bigger than 2MB, I want to find a way to bypass this. Can the admins please make the file size limit bigger? File size of these pics are 2.1MiB. [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 23:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:That might be a limitation of MediaWiki and not something the admins can change very easily. You could always just compress your images a bit. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Should indefinite blocked users have their user pages deleted? ==<br />
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I think so. They are not coming back to BetaWiki, and they just take up space. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 15:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
# [[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 15:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 15:27, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 15:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
# They take up space even if deleted. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
# Oftentimes funny to point and laugh at these people's userpages, especially the really young and dumb ones like Win2005/Kool Guy. [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 16:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Talk ===<br />
Cosmo, you need to think about the users themselves. Do they really want that on BetaWiki after they are blocked? -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 16:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:One thing: remove some of the blank ones such as [[User:Microsoft Windows XP|Microsoft Windows XP]]. [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 16:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
::Also, even if this does not get implemented, ones like MCpillager need to go. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 16:20, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:They can always contact me if they want their user pages gone. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 18:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
::Because MCpillager needs *so* much thought, especially when he made hundreds of articles screaming about raping people. See what Ryuzaki said. [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Separating Windows RT/RT 8.1 ==<br />
Since Windows RT/RT 8.1 have different brand names, should we separate it? {{unsigned|Yue Ling}}<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
# [[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 07:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# Please see my talk on discord, #community-portal - https://discordapp.com/channels/305415513503432705/305415513503432705/740487659645829141 [[User:Gus33000|Gus33000]] ([[User talk:Gus33000|talk]]) 09:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 09:41, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 10:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
#[[User:ChanceManRox|CNE]]<br />
#<s>[[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]]</s><br />
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== Separations of Windows Products is not consistent ==<br />
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On the wiki a choice has been made to separate some products, like Windows Server 2008 from Windows Vista. This separation makes little sense, considering products like Windows NT 3.X Server, Windows NT 4.X Server, Windows 2000 Server, Windows 10 Server Rdsh, Hyper-V Server, Server Web 2008 are not separated. It however makes sense for Windows Server 2003, which branched off the main source tree, featuring different code, and a different codename. The same can be said as with server 2003 for XP MCE, and XP TabletPC. I am proposing that we agree on a standard to separate products in a consistent manner. There is also no difference between Windows RT and Windows 8, aside from the hardware it can run on. People have been doing separations based on the sole principle of if the branding is different, then it should be separated, but this is also not consistently applied with things like Windows Server Web, and thus, we lack a standard. An idea that could be adopted is to separate a product when the codename and the underlying binary code is different as with the rest. This would work for Tablet PC, MCE, Home Server, Server 2003 etc... but would consider things like Server 2008 the same. Relevant discord discussion: https://discordapp.com/channels/305415513503432705/305415513503432705/740487659645829141 (please read for more background)<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
# We should separate things based on what almost everyone count. [[User:Yue Ling|ThatRandomToast]] ([[User talk:Yue Ling|talk]]) 13:38, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
# [[User:Gus33000|Gus33000]] ([[User talk:Gus33000|talk]]) 09:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 09:42, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 10:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 11:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Ovctvct|Ovctvct]] ([[User talk:Ovctvct|talk]]) 13:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Applegame12345i|Applegame12345i]] ([[User talk:Applegame12345i|talk]])<br />
# [[User:Cirrubec|Cirrubec]] ([[User talk:Cirrubec|talk]]) 14:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:WindowsBetaGeek|WindowsBetaGeek]] ([[User talk:WindowsBetaGeek|talk]]) 15:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Discussion ===<br />
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== Windows 10 updates vs development cycles ==<br />
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With the nearing release of [[Windows Server 2022]], perhaps it's the time to clear up the difference between updates and development cycles. Up to last year, Microsoft consistently (mostly) released an update at the end of each development cycle, therefore we didn't have the need to differentiate between the two, however, Manganese/Iron/Cobalt have bumped the system significantly and I feel that there is a need for a systematic solution, since renaming Iron Server to 2022 clearly won't make the cut. [[Windows 10X]] is going to cause some problems as well, considering it follows the same development cycle system and in all aspects is pretty much an SKU of Windows but all builds go currently to the same page. Discuss. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 20:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)<br />
:imo i think manganese and iron server should be deleted cuz they are redundant now. Why? All the manganese and iron server builds are now in server 2022. cant i replace server manganese and iron with redirects? urgh... [[User:Norman|Norman]] 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Quick question: why do you care so much? The admins have already made the decision. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 12:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::In case of Manganese/Iron and server 2022, we essentially have ''duplicates'' that are pretty much the same pages, the only differences is that on server 2022, the page has both manganese AND iron based server builds. I think that manganese and iron server pages should be removed because the server 2022 page exists. Dunno what to do about cobalt and nickel tho. :/ [[User:Norman|Norman]] 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Are applications that aren't pre-installed on Windows allowed? ==<br />
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Are applications that aren't pre-installed on Windows allowed such as Scratch? I mean, Scratch has quite alot of versions over the years, starting development back in 2003 and officially releasing in 2007. {{unsigned|BetaFan}}<br />
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== I think BetaWiki should add the languages that the Build have. ==<br />
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This is important.Like Windows ME 2499.7,includes Chinese (Simplified, PRC); English (United States); German (Germany); Hebrew (Israel); Japanese (Japan); Korean (Korea).{{Unsigned|AVMLOVER}}<br />
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== Windows Server version 21H2 should be deleted ==<br />
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I think this page should be deleted because there's a confusion. Is "Windows Server 2022" or "Windows Server version 21H2" real 21H2? If "Windows Server version 21H2" real 21H2, then "Windows Server 2022" should be 22H1 or something else. If "Windows Server 2022" is real 21H2 then this page should be deleted.<br />
{{Unsigned|Windows .NET Server 2003}}<br />
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I disagree, because much like 21H2 client, it can be obtained through enablement packages. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 14:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Lemme just say it, just like 21H2 client, it can be obtained through enablement packages. The enablement packages in question are:<br />
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Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~en-US~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~en-US~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-Product-Data-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-Product-Data-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
</pre><br />
[[User:Scamdisk|Scamdisk]] ([[User talk:Scamdisk|talk]]) 14:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Then tell me which one is real 21H2. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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: All of these files that were listed by Scamdisk are part of 21H2. Install the latest Windows 10 update (assuming you're on [[Windows 10 version 21H1|21H1]]) and run the batch script found in the [[Windows 10 build 19044.1023]] page as administrator to get 21H2, and then open up winver. <br />
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:That's all the proof I can give to you that 21H2 exists. - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 14:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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: You can know which one when you start reading instead of asking questions. -[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 14:29, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::Can you stop me asking to google everything? [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::Both are seemnly real, I mean I wouldn't had made the page if I didn't find the enablement packages. [[User:Scamdisk|Scamdisk]] ([[User_talk:Scamdisk|talk]]) 14:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::::It was not tempting along with Client 21H2, because normally I was expecting Server 21H2 to be in "Iron" Codebase and Client 21H2 to be in "Cobalt" or "Nickel" codebase. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::::What? [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Working on other OSes ==<br />
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This wiki has a lot of stuff about Windows. I'm happy about that, but it's just that the other OSes are going completely unrecognized. Some OSes don't even have version pages. Literally about every build of Windows does, even if it's just an infobox and a sentence or two. I would like to see more work done on the other OSes on the wiki. [[Special:Contributions/152.26.89.248|152.26.89.248]] 14:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:It's pretty easy to criticize on work (or lack thereof) done by others, so why not take the challenge and try to improve the wiki by yourself? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::The creation of the wiki takes multiple people, not just one. It's very obvious that you need more than one person to run a wiki. Otherwise, it's just a rotting webpage. Tell everybody else to work on the wiki. Why don't you start to tell others start as well? [[Special:Contributions/152.26.89.218|152.26.89.218]] 15:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Other operating systems might seem to be neglected either due to lack of interest or due to lack of knowledge from a significant portion of the current userbase. That being said, there are members which contribute to sections about other OSes quite frequently. In the end, this is a non-commercial site run by volunteers who do all their work in their free time and as a result, there is nobody working for BetaWiki as a full time employee. It just so happens that most of the userbase is interested in Windows, presumably because it's what's running on their own computers. Since nobody is getting paid to do this, your best bet is to add any content you feel that is missing yourself. Perhaps someone will take notice and join you on this. --[[User:Cvolton|Cvolton]] ([[User Talk:Cvolton|talk]] | [[special:contributions/Cvolton|contribs]]) 16:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should we merge all "Windows 10 Manganese, Iron, Cobalt and Nickel" pages into one? ==<br />
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I think these pages should be merged like how Windows Longhorn and Vista pages are merged into one. Or will the merged page be very long? {{Unsigned|Windows .NET Server 2003}}<br />
: They're development cycles, not one version, therefore they should stay as is. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 00:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
: ...and why would you want to do that? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 01:19, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Because Windows Longhorn and Vista merged into one page. I got this idea yesterday. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 10:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::The difference between Longhorn/Vista and Manganese/Iron/Cobalt/Nickel is that the latter are different projects while the former were basically the same. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 12:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::What would you call the resulting article? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Won't they be released to non-Insiders as RTM with different name in future? I think all of them should be merged in one page. Also I think major update can be postponed again. Major update can be 22H1 not 21H2 I think. Because 21H2 still uses 20H1 kernel and it doesn't seem to be a major update. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 12:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Even if so, they were development cycles of that release. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 13:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::If they're development cycles of Windows 10, then Windows Longhorn is a development cycle of Windows Vista. So these pages should be merged. If not then Windows Longhorn and Vista seperated. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is Longhorn a development cycle for Vista? --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Longhorn is not a development cycle tho. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::If you consider Longhorn a dev cycle for Vista you might as well consider Whistler as a dev cycle for XP, and you'd fall into a loop of dev cycles here. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Anyways, they should be merged in one like how Longhorn and Vista are merged. I can't believe why all of my ideas get refused. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::'''they're dev cycles, not one release.''' [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Then Longhorn is not a one release too. Is there any Windows Longhorn RTM (Not talking about Vista)? [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Longhorn was reset, it was supposed to RTM. Development cycles on the other hand are not tied to a Windows release. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::So, it means they won't be released to non-Insiders as 21H2 when it'll be stable? And all Windows versions from now will be 19045, 19046, 19047... [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::As of right now non-Insiders are on 21H1 with 21H2 (19044) already in the works. We don't know much further than that. However, as most people have said already: Manganese, Iron, Cobalt and Nickel are all development cycles and are not tied to a single release of Windows 10. Some of their features, such as News and Interests, will get ported over to non-Insiders. Longhorn didn't have this concept of development cycles. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Can you even tell the difference between a development cycle and a release? The way you equate Longhorn and Manganese/Iron/Cobalt brings me to doubts. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 18:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Well, I just think all this discussion is absolutely pointless. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 18:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::I won't talk with you guys again. You guys and I will not be able to make peace. Or else I'll be cancer. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 19:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::::It's ok. I got it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 07:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Is it a bug or something? ==<br />
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Normally we can see all recent changes up to 500. But I wanna see 1000 at once, so I've changed the link to this "https://betawiki.net/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&limit=1000&days=30&enhanced=1&urlversion=2" by replacing 500 with 1000. Then I wanted to see more recent changes. I replaced 1000 with 2000. It actually showed me last 2000 changes. But the link description and limit showed on "Results to show"" are stuck to "1000", Finally, I made 3000, it actually made me see all changes to 22 May, but link description and limit showed on "Results to show" are still stucked on 1000. Is this a bug or some feature to prevent BetaWiki to slow down? [[User:94.123.39.175|94.123.39.175]] ([[User_talk:94.123.39.175|talk]]) 11:17, 7 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Merging of Manganese, Iron and Cobalt ==<br />
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Exactly what it says on the tin. I have a proposed draft on my [[User:Winins/Sandbox2|sandbox]]. The reason for this is now that Windows 11 exists, we have a reason to merge these pages and we know what we will call the article.<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 08:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|Norman]] 08:49, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Icanttellyou|Icanttellyou]] ([[User talk:Icanttellyou|talk]]) 09:01, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:26 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
# ✔ '''Support''' - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 11:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:39, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 08:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Wait, I also asked the same thing before. But it was rejected. So, I don't think your request will be accepted. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:10, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
:You asked the question before Windows 11 was confirmed so /shrug --[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 10:13, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I'm very confused about what to say about this. I don't see any fairness. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:17, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::You need to realize that back then, Windows 11 wasn't a thing when you suggested to merge said pages. Information changes all the time and as the Winins said, <code> The reason for this is now that Windows 11 exists</code>[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:23, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Then, there's nothing I can do about that. I can only add myself as "Oppose" and it's worthless. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:39, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I think we should merge just the builds on the existing [[Windows 10 Cobalt]] page into the Windows 11 page, because Windows 11's RTM release is also based on the Cobalt codebase, and many of the early Cobalt builds which still branded themselves as Windows 10 included some Windows 11 features such as the new icons and virtual desktop improvements. --[[Special:Contributions/86.4.119.180|86.4.119.180]] 16:33, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Thing is, Cobalt is only one dev cycle of the three responsible for Windows 11, [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:46, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing <code>rs_loc</code> builds ==<br />
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Minimum and maximum version numbers don't exactly tell whether or not the build actually exists. It's just a maximum version number. Ones like [[Windows 10 build 21330 (rs loc)|this one]] make sense as they actually say <code>OperatingSystemBuildNumber</code>. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 16:53, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Icanttellyou|Icanttellyou]] ([[User talk:Icanttellyou|talk]]) 16:54, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 11:27, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
#[[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 17:24, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 11:26, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|Norman]] 11:29, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|LePikaDuCoin YT]] 17:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Discussion===<br />
I'm in favor of also removing most pages that rely on <code>appxmanifest.xml</code>to get the page's build number. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
:I just tried to be stinky for a while. Otherwise I don't care about the <code>rs_loc</code> pages. You can do it whatever you want. {{Unsigned|Mbczadgjliqetup}}<br />
:To be fair, all of these pages and that includes the page that Orbitron linked as making sense don't really bring much information other than "this build number probably exists". Also would Norman and Nara mind explaining why they oppose this proposal? It's not majority but arguments that win such debates🙄 --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I think that the pages are becoming quite cluttered because of these builds. [[Special:Contributions/86.4.119.180|86.4.119.180]] 14:52, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I thought we made it clear that file versions '''never''' indicate that build is confirmed to exist, and if that is a sole reason a build page exists, it would be removed. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:i marked my self on oppose, cuz of these two pages, windows 8 build 8331 winmain and windows 8.1 build 9428, which were winJS build pages left behind from the cleanup last may. If these (winjs) pages are still there, i think its fair to keep the windows 10 localization builds, is it not? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 16:13, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I thought we were in the process of removing those pages, no? [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I am not sure what do buildtags from WinJS have to do with this? That's a completely different thing. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::i think that while winjs and lxps are two completely different things, these pages are very similar to each other, like how they come out of a certain file, full strings and build numbers for winjs and build numbers for lxps (in the latters case, it is the tested versions) i dont understand why 9428 and 8331 winmain are still there despite the rest of the winjs build pages being deleted last may [[User:Norman|Norman]] 16:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh my god... Why are you bothering with the WinJS pages again? If they still weren't removed as of July 2021, I suppose it was decided to keep them. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 16:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Well there is also the pretty big difference of language packs merely defining the minimum and maximum tested OS build number, while WinJS contained legitimate OS build tags. We stopped deleting them as we realized that they are valuable pieces of information, although most of them have already been lost due to the deleted page contents being purged immediately after most eligible pages have been deleted. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, okay. I marked myself as oppose now. [[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 01:05, 5 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Unable To Fix Windows 10 Cursor Glitch Issue ==<br />
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Hello friends. This is my first post in this forum. For the past few days, I have been suffering from Glitch problems with my computer's cursor. Currently, I am using Windows10 on my computer. I don’t know why this is happening, and how to fix this issue. I am using Windows10. Can anyone provide any suggestions for this issue? Any help will be appreciated. {{unsigned|Jamesdanner}}<br />
:Hi. This is not a forum, it's a wiki. As such, it's not really suited for this kind of thing. We have a Discord server where someone might be able to help you out, though. Link is in the menu on the left side.--[[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 16:48, 12 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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So, after searching a lot I found a solution from [https://digicruncher.com/windows-10-cursor-glitch/ this] article. {{unsigned|Jamesdanner}}<br />
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== Suggestion for user pages ==<br />
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Hello, I have a suggestion for user pages: making the content editable only by the owner of the page and the staff (because if the staff can’t write on user pages they can’t put warnings). I think this will be a good feature for preventing vandalism on user pages {{Unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:This is already a thing. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:20, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:: Yes. Filter 8, I think. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:21, 16 July 2021 (UTC)</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=BetaWiki:Community_portal&diff=138872BetaWiki:Community portal2021-07-16T17:19:34Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: /* Suggestion for user pages */ new section</p>
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== Removing "RTM Update" builds ==<br />
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After seeing some of these recent new Windows build pages, I feel like the "RTM Update" pages has to go. Most of these RTM Update pages are from Windows Update, and since there are over thousands of updates for each version of Windows, documenting RTM Update builds will take an extremely long time with Windows versions above 2000 having about 1000 pages worth of RTM Update builds. In case you don't know what I mean, here are some examples:<br />
*[[Windows 2000 build 2195.7397]]<br />
*[[Windows XP build 2600.7259]]<br />
*[[Windows Vista build 6001.18702]]<br />
*[[Windows Server 2003 build 3790.5190]]<br />
*[[Windows 8.1 build 9600.31213]]<br />
Do note that there are some builds that will be specifically staying. Any betas of Service Packs will stay (including the Spring 2014 Update of Windows 8.1 and Server 2012 R2), as they are still betas and achieve our goal of documenting betas. [[Windows Server 2008 build 6003|Windows Server 2008 build 6003.20489]] is also a special exception that will stay on this wiki due to the unique build number update. However, most of the remaining Update RTM builds should be removed as they only add more clutter to the wiki. I have a good feeling most of the RTM Update builds are also buildlist builds. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 14:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
=== Support ===<br />
#[[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 14:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 18:57, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 19:01, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Wheatley|Wheatley]] ([[User talk:Wheatley|talk]]) 19:03, 15 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#-- [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]]) 17:26, 25 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Strix|Strix]] ([[User talk:Strix|talk]]) 15:59, 18 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
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== Find 5 differences ==<br />
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https://windowsxp.miraheze.org/wiki/Windows_XP vs. [[Windows XP]]<br />
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--<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:That kid is creating more wikis... again?? They should deny his req, we've had enough. --[[User:ATeamInc|ATeamInc]] ([[User talk:ATeamInc|talk]]) 17:41, 23 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:could you please stop calling us kids? also stop making fun of our wikis.[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.149|43.224.156.149]] 15:39, 25 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:: ...and my really first and last wiki: https://windows95wiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Windows_95 vs. [[Windows 95]]. -- [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]]) 17:24, 25 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
::: Next time this happens, their acc should be reported if that is possible. BTW, the Windows 10 wiki is still going. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 02:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::: [[User:Meow]]: Ever heard of alts? Sockpuppets?<br />
:::: Also whats wrong with creating wikis? And i dont see anything wrong just if a wiki is still going.[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.138|43.224.156.138]] 12:57, 13 August 2019 (UTC)<br />
::::: It looks like the Windows 95 wiki is shutting down, it’s closed right now. Apparently in 6 months it will be deleted. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 17:07, 28 September 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Heck yes! The Windows 95 wiki was deleted! -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 00:48, 1 May 2020 (UTC)<br />
:::::: THE WINDOWS XP AND 95 WIKI WERE DELETED! YES!!!! -[[User:Redfong2|Redfong2]] ([[User talk:Redfong2|talk]]<br />
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== Can't seem to upload files ==<br />
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I get this error, "Internal error: Server failed to store temporary file." Can it be fixed?--[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.138|43.224.156.138]] 12:55, 13 August 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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This is just crossing the line. https://freevandalism.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/185.222.27.241<br />
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Also, if you reject this, this will prove how toxic you all are, and also prove you support harassment. Also, I might actually make a Toxic Fandoms & Hatedoms Wiki page about your community.[[Special:Contributions/43.224.156.155|43.224.156.155]] 06:34, 24 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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:That was done by a single user from our Discord who isn't a staff member. [[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 08:32, 24 November 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Improved Windows Vista "about" screenshots ==<br />
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I've improved many Windows Vista builds [[Windows Vista build 5435|5435]] to [[Windows Vista build 5754|5754]] "about" screenshots to have '''[[Windows Aero]]''' + '''AeroShot'''. Coming up will be these builds: (you can help me with this)<br />
* [[Windows Vista]] Service Pack 1 and 2 builds - [[Windows Vista build 6001.16549]] to [[Windows Vista build 6002.17043]] ([[Windows Vista build 6001.18000]] and [[Windows Vista build 6002.16489]] are done!)<br />
* [[Windows 7]] and Service Pack 1 builds - ([[Windows 7 build 6801]] to [[Windows 7 build 7601.17105|7601.17105]] are done!) with some builds done (ALL BUILDS ARE COMPLETED!)<br />
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* [[Windows 8]] builds - [[Windows 8 build 8102.0]] to [[Windows 8 build 8400]] ([[Windows 8 build 8128]] to [[Windows 8 build 8330 (fbl ie longhorn)|8330 (fbl ie longhorn)]] are done!) (except [[Windows 8 build 8250]])<br />
I hope that change will improve future our wiki! [[User:Strix|Strix]] ([[User talk:Strix|talk]]) 14:18, 18 February 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Windows 10/Server 20H2 and 21H1 pages should be deleted ==<br />
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I suggest that the [[Windows 10 20H2]] and [[Windows 10 21H1]] articles should be deleted. The same should be done to their [[Windows Server 20H2|server]] [[Windows Server 21H1|counterparts]]. These articles are just speculation. We don't know what the recent builds are of, as they are just active development builds of Windows 10.<br />
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To hold the Fast ring builds, we should make a page like Windows 10/Fast ring builds or similar, without any speculation. I feel like this should remove speculation and ambiguity about the Windows 10 active development builds and make the wiki better. -- [[Special:Contributions/2.27.117.92|2.27.117.92]] 14:27, 12 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
#-- [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]]) 18:13, 12 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
#-- [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 00:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Discussion ===<br />
''"We don't know what the recent builds are of, as they are just active development builds of Windows 10."'' I am not quite sure if you fully understand what you are talking about, anyway, I moved both 20H2 and 21H1 to Manganese for now to prevent confusion. When the 20H2 cumulative update development begins, it will get its own page again. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 02:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
==Sandbox==<br />
make a sandbox[[Special:Contributions/209.107.216.61|209.107.216.61]] 19:40, 19 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
:[[BetaWiki:Sandbox]] --[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 06:31, 21 April 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Write dates in full ==<br />
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ISO 8601 (YYYY-MM-DD) format is uncommon in English prose, and should not be used within sentences. It looks quite ugly for months, for example, 2020-06.<br />
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More examples:<br />
* Imagine if we write about an event that has been taking place in 28 - 30 June 2020, how should we write that in ISO 8601, "2020-06-28 to 2020-06-30" or "2020-06-28 to 30"?<br />
* If we write "28, 29 and 30 June 2020" in common use, how should we write that in ISO 8601, "2020-06-28, 29 and 30" or something like that?<br />
* If we say "late June 2015", writing it as "late 2015-07" looks so ugly.<br />
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So, do you think we should write the date in full, like "30 June 2020" or "June 30, 2020"? [[User:Yue Ling|Yue Ling]] ([[User talk:Yue Ling|talk]]) 14:30, 30 June 2020 (UTC)<br />
: "30 June 2020" will be better. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC)<br />
: You use the full ISO date for ranges. Either way, I am fine with using either in prose, as long as it is consistent, so you don't end up with articles that use both date-first and month-first. Don't use it in infoboxes for now, as they can't handle it, probably avoid using it in tables as well. Consider something like the [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Dates, months, and years|Wikipedia's Manual of Style section on date formatting]]. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 08:19, 1 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
::Put up a draft of the new policy onto the [[BetaWiki:Guidelines#Date formats (draft)|Guidelines]] page. (and yes, I was very inspired by the wikipedia policy at this) --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 21:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:::I decided to go solely for the DMY format, as that is what the MediaWiki signatures already use, plus the MDY format doesn't really work that well in titles. Allowing both was an option I considered, but that would be quite inconsistent, which I think would look quite stupid on such a small wiki. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 11:19, 27 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Allow me to upload files bigger than 2MB ==<br />
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Hi. I want to upload some screenshots of [[Windows 10 build 20158]]. There's one problem though, I can't upload files bigger than 2MB, I want to find a way to bypass this. Can the admins please make the file size limit bigger? File size of these pics are 2.1MiB. [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 23:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:That might be a limitation of MediaWiki and not something the admins can change very easily. You could always just compress your images a bit. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Should indefinite blocked users have their user pages deleted? ==<br />
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I think so. They are not coming back to BetaWiki, and they just take up space. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 15:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
# [[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 15:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 15:27, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 15:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
# They take up space even if deleted. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
# Oftentimes funny to point and laugh at these people's userpages, especially the really young and dumb ones like Win2005/Kool Guy. [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 16:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Talk ===<br />
Cosmo, you need to think about the users themselves. Do they really want that on BetaWiki after they are blocked? -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 16:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:One thing: remove some of the blank ones such as [[User:Microsoft Windows XP|Microsoft Windows XP]]. [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 16:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
::Also, even if this does not get implemented, ones like MCpillager need to go. -[[User:Meow|Meow]] ([[User talk:Meow|talk]]) 16:20, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
:They can always contact me if they want their user pages gone. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 18:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
::Because MCpillager needs *so* much thought, especially when he made hundreds of articles screaming about raping people. See what Ryuzaki said. [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] ([[User talk:Cosmo|talk]]) 18:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Separating Windows RT/RT 8.1 ==<br />
Since Windows RT/RT 8.1 have different brand names, should we separate it? {{unsigned|Yue Ling}}<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
# [[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 07:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# Please see my talk on discord, #community-portal - https://discordapp.com/channels/305415513503432705/305415513503432705/740487659645829141 [[User:Gus33000|Gus33000]] ([[User talk:Gus33000|talk]]) 09:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 09:41, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 10:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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#[[User:ChanceManRox|CNE]]<br />
#<s>[[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]]</s><br />
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== Separations of Windows Products is not consistent ==<br />
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On the wiki a choice has been made to separate some products, like Windows Server 2008 from Windows Vista. This separation makes little sense, considering products like Windows NT 3.X Server, Windows NT 4.X Server, Windows 2000 Server, Windows 10 Server Rdsh, Hyper-V Server, Server Web 2008 are not separated. It however makes sense for Windows Server 2003, which branched off the main source tree, featuring different code, and a different codename. The same can be said as with server 2003 for XP MCE, and XP TabletPC. I am proposing that we agree on a standard to separate products in a consistent manner. There is also no difference between Windows RT and Windows 8, aside from the hardware it can run on. People have been doing separations based on the sole principle of if the branding is different, then it should be separated, but this is also not consistently applied with things like Windows Server Web, and thus, we lack a standard. An idea that could be adopted is to separate a product when the codename and the underlying binary code is different as with the rest. This would work for Tablet PC, MCE, Home Server, Server 2003 etc... but would consider things like Server 2008 the same. Relevant discord discussion: https://discordapp.com/channels/305415513503432705/305415513503432705/740487659645829141 (please read for more background)<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
# We should separate things based on what almost everyone count. [[User:Yue Ling|ThatRandomToast]] ([[User talk:Yue Ling|talk]]) 13:38, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
# [[User:Gus33000|Gus33000]] ([[User talk:Gus33000|talk]]) 09:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BenjiMadden7850|BenjiMadden7850]] ([[User talk:BenjiMadden7850|talk]]) 09:42, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 10:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 11:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Ovctvct|Ovctvct]] ([[User talk:Ovctvct|talk]]) 13:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Applegame12345i|Applegame12345i]] ([[User talk:Applegame12345i|talk]])<br />
# [[User:Cirrubec|Cirrubec]] ([[User talk:Cirrubec|talk]]) 14:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:WindowsBetaGeek|WindowsBetaGeek]] ([[User talk:WindowsBetaGeek|talk]]) 15:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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=== Discussion ===<br />
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== Windows 10 updates vs development cycles ==<br />
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With the nearing release of [[Windows Server 2022]], perhaps it's the time to clear up the difference between updates and development cycles. Up to last year, Microsoft consistently (mostly) released an update at the end of each development cycle, therefore we didn't have the need to differentiate between the two, however, Manganese/Iron/Cobalt have bumped the system significantly and I feel that there is a need for a systematic solution, since renaming Iron Server to 2022 clearly won't make the cut. [[Windows 10X]] is going to cause some problems as well, considering it follows the same development cycle system and in all aspects is pretty much an SKU of Windows but all builds go currently to the same page. Discuss. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 20:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)<br />
:imo i think manganese and iron server should be deleted cuz they are redundant now. Why? All the manganese and iron server builds are now in server 2022. cant i replace server manganese and iron with redirects? urgh... [[User:Norman|Norman]] 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Quick question: why do you care so much? The admins have already made the decision. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 12:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::In case of Manganese/Iron and server 2022, we essentially have ''duplicates'' that are pretty much the same pages, the only differences is that on server 2022, the page has both manganese AND iron based server builds. I think that manganese and iron server pages should be removed because the server 2022 page exists. Dunno what to do about cobalt and nickel tho. :/ [[User:Norman|Norman]] 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Are applications that aren't pre-installed on Windows allowed? ==<br />
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Are applications that aren't pre-installed on Windows allowed such as Scratch? I mean, Scratch has quite alot of versions over the years, starting development back in 2003 and officially releasing in 2007. {{unsigned|BetaFan}}<br />
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== I think BetaWiki should add the languages that the Build have. ==<br />
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This is important.Like Windows ME 2499.7,includes Chinese (Simplified, PRC); English (United States); German (Germany); Hebrew (Israel); Japanese (Japan); Korean (Korea).{{Unsigned|AVMLOVER}}<br />
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== Windows Server version 21H2 should be deleted ==<br />
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I think this page should be deleted because there's a confusion. Is "Windows Server 2022" or "Windows Server version 21H2" real 21H2? If "Windows Server version 21H2" real 21H2, then "Windows Server 2022" should be 22H1 or something else. If "Windows Server 2022" is real 21H2 then this page should be deleted.<br />
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I disagree, because much like 21H2 client, it can be obtained through enablement packages. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 14:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Lemme just say it, just like 21H2 client, it can be obtained through enablement packages. The enablement packages in question are:<br />
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Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~en-US~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~en-US~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-UpdateTargeting-ServerOS-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-Product-Data-21h2-EKB-Wrapper-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
Microsoft-Windows-Product-Data-21h2-EKB-Package~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~10.0.19041.1023.mum<br />
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[[User:Scamdisk|Scamdisk]] ([[User talk:Scamdisk|talk]]) 14:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Then tell me which one is real 21H2. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:24, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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: All of these files that were listed by Scamdisk are part of 21H2. Install the latest Windows 10 update (assuming you're on [[Windows 10 version 21H1|21H1]]) and run the batch script found in the [[Windows 10 build 19044.1023]] page as administrator to get 21H2, and then open up winver. <br />
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:That's all the proof I can give to you that 21H2 exists. - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 14:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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: You can know which one when you start reading instead of asking questions. -[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 14:29, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::Can you stop me asking to google everything? [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::Both are seemnly real, I mean I wouldn't had made the page if I didn't find the enablement packages. [[User:Scamdisk|Scamdisk]] ([[User_talk:Scamdisk|talk]]) 14:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::::It was not tempting along with Client 21H2, because normally I was expecting Server 21H2 to be in "Iron" Codebase and Client 21H2 to be in "Cobalt" or "Nickel" codebase. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 14:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::::What? [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Working on other OSes ==<br />
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This wiki has a lot of stuff about Windows. I'm happy about that, but it's just that the other OSes are going completely unrecognized. Some OSes don't even have version pages. Literally about every build of Windows does, even if it's just an infobox and a sentence or two. I would like to see more work done on the other OSes on the wiki. [[Special:Contributions/152.26.89.248|152.26.89.248]] 14:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:It's pretty easy to criticize on work (or lack thereof) done by others, so why not take the challenge and try to improve the wiki by yourself? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::The creation of the wiki takes multiple people, not just one. It's very obvious that you need more than one person to run a wiki. Otherwise, it's just a rotting webpage. Tell everybody else to work on the wiki. Why don't you start to tell others start as well? [[Special:Contributions/152.26.89.218|152.26.89.218]] 15:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Other operating systems might seem to be neglected either due to lack of interest or due to lack of knowledge from a significant portion of the current userbase. That being said, there are members which contribute to sections about other OSes quite frequently. In the end, this is a non-commercial site run by volunteers who do all their work in their free time and as a result, there is nobody working for BetaWiki as a full time employee. It just so happens that most of the userbase is interested in Windows, presumably because it's what's running on their own computers. Since nobody is getting paid to do this, your best bet is to add any content you feel that is missing yourself. Perhaps someone will take notice and join you on this. --[[User:Cvolton|Cvolton]] ([[User Talk:Cvolton|talk]] | [[special:contributions/Cvolton|contribs]]) 16:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should we merge all "Windows 10 Manganese, Iron, Cobalt and Nickel" pages into one? ==<br />
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I think these pages should be merged like how Windows Longhorn and Vista pages are merged into one. Or will the merged page be very long? {{Unsigned|Windows .NET Server 2003}}<br />
: They're development cycles, not one version, therefore they should stay as is. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 00:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
: ...and why would you want to do that? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 01:19, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Because Windows Longhorn and Vista merged into one page. I got this idea yesterday. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 10:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::The difference between Longhorn/Vista and Manganese/Iron/Cobalt/Nickel is that the latter are different projects while the former were basically the same. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 12:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::What would you call the resulting article? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Won't they be released to non-Insiders as RTM with different name in future? I think all of them should be merged in one page. Also I think major update can be postponed again. Major update can be 22H1 not 21H2 I think. Because 21H2 still uses 20H1 kernel and it doesn't seem to be a major update. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 12:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Even if so, they were development cycles of that release. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 13:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::If they're development cycles of Windows 10, then Windows Longhorn is a development cycle of Windows Vista. So these pages should be merged. If not then Windows Longhorn and Vista seperated. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is Longhorn a development cycle for Vista? --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Longhorn is not a development cycle tho. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 17:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::If you consider Longhorn a dev cycle for Vista you might as well consider Whistler as a dev cycle for XP, and you'd fall into a loop of dev cycles here. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Anyways, they should be merged in one like how Longhorn and Vista are merged. I can't believe why all of my ideas get refused. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::'''they're dev cycles, not one release.''' [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Then Longhorn is not a one release too. Is there any Windows Longhorn RTM (Not talking about Vista)? [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Longhorn was reset, it was supposed to RTM. Development cycles on the other hand are not tied to a Windows release. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 17:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::So, it means they won't be released to non-Insiders as 21H2 when it'll be stable? And all Windows versions from now will be 19045, 19046, 19047... [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 17:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::As of right now non-Insiders are on 21H1 with 21H2 (19044) already in the works. We don't know much further than that. However, as most people have said already: Manganese, Iron, Cobalt and Nickel are all development cycles and are not tied to a single release of Windows 10. Some of their features, such as News and Interests, will get ported over to non-Insiders. Longhorn didn't have this concept of development cycles. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Can you even tell the difference between a development cycle and a release? The way you equate Longhorn and Manganese/Iron/Cobalt brings me to doubts. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 18:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Well, I just think all this discussion is absolutely pointless. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 18:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::I won't talk with you guys again. You guys and I will not be able to make peace. Or else I'll be cancer. [[User:Windows .NET Server 2003|Windows .NET Server 2003]] ([[User_talk:Windows_.NET_Server_2003|talk]]) 19:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::::It's ok. I got it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 07:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Is it a bug or something? ==<br />
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Normally we can see all recent changes up to 500. But I wanna see 1000 at once, so I've changed the link to this "https://betawiki.net/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&limit=1000&days=30&enhanced=1&urlversion=2" by replacing 500 with 1000. Then I wanted to see more recent changes. I replaced 1000 with 2000. It actually showed me last 2000 changes. But the link description and limit showed on "Results to show"" are stuck to "1000", Finally, I made 3000, it actually made me see all changes to 22 May, but link description and limit showed on "Results to show" are still stucked on 1000. Is this a bug or some feature to prevent BetaWiki to slow down? [[User:94.123.39.175|94.123.39.175]] ([[User_talk:94.123.39.175|talk]]) 11:17, 7 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Merging of Manganese, Iron and Cobalt ==<br />
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Exactly what it says on the tin. I have a proposed draft on my [[User:Winins/Sandbox2|sandbox]]. The reason for this is now that Windows 11 exists, we have a reason to merge these pages and we know what we will call the article.<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 08:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|Norman]] 08:49, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Icanttellyou|Icanttellyou]] ([[User talk:Icanttellyou|talk]]) 09:01, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:26 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
# ✔ '''Support''' - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 11:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:39, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 08:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
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===Discussion===<br />
Wait, I also asked the same thing before. But it was rejected. So, I don't think your request will be accepted. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:10, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
:You asked the question before Windows 11 was confirmed so /shrug --[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 10:13, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I'm very confused about what to say about this. I don't see any fairness. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:17, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::You need to realize that back then, Windows 11 wasn't a thing when you suggested to merge said pages. Information changes all the time and as the Winins said, <code> The reason for this is now that Windows 11 exists</code>[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:23, 24 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Then, there's nothing I can do about that. I can only add myself as "Oppose" and it's worthless. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 10:39, 24 Jun 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I think we should merge just the builds on the existing [[Windows 10 Cobalt]] page into the Windows 11 page, because Windows 11's RTM release is also based on the Cobalt codebase, and many of the early Cobalt builds which still branded themselves as Windows 10 included some Windows 11 features such as the new icons and virtual desktop improvements. --[[Special:Contributions/86.4.119.180|86.4.119.180]] 16:33, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Thing is, Cobalt is only one dev cycle of the three responsible for Windows 11, [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:46, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing <code>rs_loc</code> builds ==<br />
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Minimum and maximum version numbers don't exactly tell whether or not the build actually exists. It's just a maximum version number. Ones like [[Windows 10 build 21330 (rs loc)|this one]] make sense as they actually say <code>OperatingSystemBuildNumber</code>. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 16:53, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Icanttellyou|Icanttellyou]] ([[User talk:Icanttellyou|talk]]) 16:54, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 11:27, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
#[[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User_talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 17:24, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 11:26, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|Norman]] 11:29, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Discussion===<br />
I'm in favor of also removing most pages that rely on <code>appxmanifest.xml</code>to get the page's build number. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)<br />
:I just tried to be stinky for a while. Otherwise I don't care about the <code>rs_loc</code> pages. You can do it whatever you want. {{Unsigned|Mbczadgjliqetup}}<br />
:To be fair, all of these pages and that includes the page that Orbitron linked as making sense don't really bring much information other than "this build number probably exists". Also would Norman and Nara mind explaining why they oppose this proposal? It's not majority but arguments that win such debates🙄 --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I think that the pages are becoming quite cluttered because of these builds. [[Special:Contributions/86.4.119.180|86.4.119.180]] 14:52, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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I thought we made it clear that file versions '''never''' indicate that build is confirmed to exist, and if that is a sole reason a build page exists, it would be removed. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:i marked my self on oppose, cuz of these two pages, windows 8 build 8331 winmain and windows 8.1 build 9428, which were winJS build pages left behind from the cleanup last may. If these (winjs) pages are still there, i think its fair to keep the windows 10 localization builds, is it not? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 16:13, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I thought we were in the process of removing those pages, no? [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I am not sure what do buildtags from WinJS have to do with this? That's a completely different thing. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::i think that while winjs and lxps are two completely different things, these pages are very similar to each other, like how they come out of a certain file, full strings and build numbers for winjs and build numbers for lxps (in the latters case, it is the tested versions) i dont understand why 9428 and 8331 winmain are still there despite the rest of the winjs build pages being deleted last may [[User:Norman|Norman]] 16:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh my god... Why are you bothering with the WinJS pages again? If they still weren't removed as of July 2021, I suppose it was decided to keep them. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 16:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Well there is also the pretty big difference of language packs merely defining the minimum and maximum tested OS build number, while WinJS contained legitimate OS build tags. We stopped deleting them as we realized that they are valuable pieces of information, although most of them have already been lost due to the deleted page contents being purged immediately after most eligible pages have been deleted. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 16:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, okay. I marked myself as oppose now. [[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 01:05, 5 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Unable To Fix Windows 10 Cursor Glitch Issue ==<br />
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Hello friends. This is my first post in this forum. For the past few days, I have been suffering from Glitch problems with my computer's cursor. Currently, I am using Windows10 on my computer. I don’t know why this is happening, and how to fix this issue. I am using Windows10. Can anyone provide any suggestions for this issue? Any help will be appreciated. {{unsigned|Jamesdanner}}<br />
:Hi. This is not a forum, it's a wiki. As such, it's not really suited for this kind of thing. We have a Discord server where someone might be able to help you out, though. Link is in the menu on the left side.--[[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 16:48, 12 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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So, after searching a lot I found a solution from [https://digicruncher.com/windows-10-cursor-glitch/ this] article. {{unsigned|Jamesdanner}}<br />
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== Suggestion for user pages ==<br />
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Hello, I have a suggestion for user pages: making the content editable only by the owner of the page and the staff (because if the staff can’t write on user pages they can’t put warnings). I think this will be a good feature for preventing vandalism on user pages</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Orbitron&diff=138868User talk:Orbitron2021-07-16T17:16:04Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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= Welcome to my talk page. =<br />
== I am very aware that this is just the box at the top of the main page just edited a bit. ==<br />
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* [[User:Orbitron|User page]]<br />
* [[User talk:Orbitron|Talk]]<br />
* [[User:Orbitron/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
* [[User:Orbitron/watercolor.css|My BetaWiki theme]]<br />
* [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx_qxxQWP37aYcARPZpA2pQ YouTube]<br />
* [https://twitter.com/orbitron14 Twitter (inactive)]<br />
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== Your edits ==<br />
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Why do you adding the "QD" template into images when they are still in use? I do not uderstand it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 14:38, 3 November 2020 (UTC)<br />
:You do the same thing dude. [[User:ChanceManRox|orbitron]] ([[User talk:ChanceManRox|talk]]) 15:15, 3 November 2020 (UTC)<br />
::I'm adding it to images which aren't in use and are redundant, not into used images. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 08:54, 4 November 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Message from LePikaDuCoin YT ==<br />
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Why you are reverting my edit, I said I moved the warning to a dedicated page, it wasn’t deleted. It was just moved because i think a warning doesn’t have it’s place in the talk page {{Unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:There is no need to do this. You're basically removing staff warnings. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
I didn’t removed staff warnings, i just wanted to move warnings to a dedicated page {{Unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
::BF10 is staff. You removed staff warnings from your talk page. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:14, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
Oh sorry, i didn’t knew that warnings are only on the talk page, I thought that we could move these but no, I will delete the page for warnings as they are only on talk page {{Unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
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Hello, the image I added to Windows 8 Build 8056 isn’t a WNR, it’s the setup when you run it from the operating system instead of booting from the DVD</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=138856User:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-07-16T17:05:18Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
==Links==<br />
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*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|User page]]<br />
*[[User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT|Talk]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/c/perroquet2008 YouTube Channel (but it’s in French because I am French)]<br />
*Don’t delete, I will continue to edit later<br /><br />
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Hello there, internet! There is nothing to see in this part of the page<br />
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==Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
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My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
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===PC Specs===<br />
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CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
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RAM: 16 GB<br />
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GPU: Radeon RX 5500 XT 8 GB<br />
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HDD: 1 TB Toshiba Hard Drive<br />
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==Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page==<br />
This section is actually empty because there’s no build in this category</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Windows_8_build_8056_(fbl_grfx_dev1)&diff=138854Windows 8 build 8056 (fbl grfx dev1)2021-07-16T17:04:33Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: Added an image</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Windows build<br />
|version = 8<br />
|image = Windows8-6.2.8056-Desktop.png<br />
|arch = x86, x64<br />
|buildtag = 6.2.8056.fbl_grfx_dev1.110727-1728<br />
|compiled = 2011-07-27<br />
|key = H9VCT-63NFW-FWHDR-F4J43-972K8<br />
|timebomb = 2012-03-11<br />
|rivals = {{Rivals|TCB=http://www.thecollectionbook.info/windows/8/2793|TCBGallery=https://www.thecollectionbook.info/gallery/?f=/windows/nt%20kernel/windows%208/6.2.8056.0%20(fbl_grfx_dev1)/english/developer%20preview|BAWiki=http://www.betaarchive.com/wiki/index.php?title=Windows%3A8%3A6.2.8056.0.fbl_grfx_dev1.110727-1728}}<br />
|winver = Windows8-6.2.8056-About.png<br />
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'''Windows 8 build 8056 (fbl grfx dev1)''' is a build of [[Windows 8]], which was uploaded to [[BetaArchive]] on 19 September 2015.<br />
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==Redpill==<br />
A tool named [[Redlock]] can be used to unlock all of the Redpill levels on this build, including the Start screen.<br />
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A few changes have occurred since build [[Windows 8 build 8032|8032]], mainly focusing on stability and cosmetic updates. Many graphical issues and oddities seen with 8032, including leftover icons from older builds and issues with the graphics and fonts for the tiles, has been fixed, and Metro itself is much more stable. The gradient effect for the background color of the Metro login screen and the Start screen has been removed and the size of the tiles has shrunk. The search pane's close button has also been removed.<br />
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When the Share option from the Charms bar is chosen while on the Start screen, it will display "MoGo can't share this, but Windows can share a screenshot instead", hinting at "MoGo" being the codename for the Start screen.<br />
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===Apps included===<br />
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*Immersive Remote Desktop Connection<br />
*Immersive Control Panel<br />
*A non-functional early version of the Store<br />
*Immersive IE<br />
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==Bugs and quirks==<br />
===Hardware compatibilities===<br />
To install or run this build in VMware Workstation 15 or newer, you must set the hardware compatibility to versions 8.x or 9.x; otherwise, a partially garbled system crash message will occur.<br />
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===Intel HD graphics===<br />
Like most Pre-Release Preview builds, installing latest Intel HD Graphics driver will make the screen blink, making it unusable unless you stop DWM. Using a 2013 or older driver will fix this issue.<br />
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Another quirk with Intel drivers is that [[Windows Vista]] drivers will work if you install this build on a computer that originally had Windows Vista. Before starting the installation, right click the exe and select properties. Click on compatibility and set it to Windows Vista Service Pack 2. Apply and then run the exe normally and you should have working Intel graphics.<br />
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===Drivers===<br />
On [[Windows 7]]-designed tablets/laptops, even if newer than 2011, this build has touch screen, audio and battery drivers working out of the box.<br />
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===User logon error===<br />
If you're running this build on certain hardware (most likely newer hardware, such as the (Hewlett-Packard (HP) (15-F233wm), you'll come across that Windows will never log you in after installing. Using the current BIOS date and the BIOS date of 2011-07-27 produces the error, ruling out that as the issue. To fix this issue, restart Windows and press F8 to access advanced boot options. Chose Safe Mode with Networking and Windows should boot. Go to the start menu and search for regedit, right click that, and run as administrator. Navigate to "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\ProfileList". Go to the bottom most profile and select it. Once in, double click on State and set its value to 0. Double click on RefCount and also set its value to 0. Restart Windows and you should be in. If you have a .bak profile as well, then rename the profile with no extension as "S-1-5-21-4118428-131-491-1.b" (Sample profile. Keep the name the same, just add .b). Take the one named .bak and remove the extension. Rename the .b profile to .bak. Once done, perform the changes above.<br />
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Note: This error may not always appear when clean installing this build and does not occur when upgrading from a previous build.<br />
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===User Account Control bug===<br />
User Account Control will pop up when you change the Windows settings, even if it is set to not notify you when changing those.<br />
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===Compatibility===<br />
Unlike build 8102, this build can run the latest version of Chrome and other programs without trouble. NET Framework 4.5 is incomplete and unable to run programs that needs it.<br />
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===eMMC drive support===<br />
This build is likely the first Windows 8 build to support eMMC drives. Installation runs normal. If you install this build on touchscreen devices, it will have touchscreen drivers working out of the box, compared to Windows 7 where support for out of box touchscreen was non-existent without installing a driver.<br />
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===Device setup===<br />
Device setup, if it appears on login, may show up in a broken window.<br />
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===Timebomb===<br />
Unlike other [[Windows 8]] builds, it contains a broken [[timebomb]] and can be installed on the current date.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:8056PE loading files.png|Loading files<br />
File:Windows8-6.2.8056-Boot.png|Boot screen<br />
File:8056 setup.png|Setup<br />
File:8056altsteup-step3.png|thumb|Step 3 of Windows 8 Build 8056 alternate setup<br />
File:8056-left charm.png|Left charms menu<br />
File:8056-right charm.png|Right charms bar (Win+Shift+C)<br />
File:8056cpl.png|Metro Control Panel<br />
File:8056share.png|Share charm<br />
File:8056start.png|Start screen<br />
File:Win8 8056 Immersive Browser.png|Immersive IE<br />
File:8056 vmware compatibility crash.png|Garbled system crash if running on VMware version 15 or newer<br />
File:8056 HPREVOLVE Desktop.png|Running on a HP Revolve tablet<br />
File:8056 HPREVOLVE MoGo.jpg|Running on a HP Revolve tablet<br />
File:8056keyboard.png|Immersive Keyboard (also works without DWM/Redpill)<br />
File:8056metro.gif|Demo with Metro enabled (click to show video)<br />
File:Bug-DeviceSetup.png|Device setup in a broken window.<br />
File:8056 OOBE.png|Traditional OOBE<br />
File:Windows 8 build 8056 Metro OOBE (fbl grfx dev1).png|Metro OOBE<br />
File:Windows8-6.2.8056-BSOD.png|System crash (Black Screen of Death)<br />
</gallery></div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User_talk:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=138839User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-07-16T16:34:22Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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<div>== Warning ==<br />
[[File:Information_icon4.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello. We have noticed that you added information about software builds or versions that do not actually exist, so it has been removed. Please keep in mind that BetaWiki is not the right place for Windows Never Released, Never Released OS, or similar fantasies. Thank you.<br />
This wiki is also not your grounds to advertise your TikTok. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 22:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Ok. I will stop before getting banned from BetaWiki. [[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|LePikaDuCoin YT]] ([[User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT|talk]]) 08:38, 2 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing staff warnings ==<br />
You do not get to decide where staff will post their messages on your talk page, nor do you get to undo our edits when we enforce the guidelines (read again the section about talk pages). The previous warning, this warning, and any future warnings will stay on this talk page just like for every other user, no exceptions will be made for you. If you persist, you may just get blocked. [[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 16:17, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, I already deleted the link to the Warning page and waiting for the deletion of the page {{unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
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== Win8 7719.16385 ==<br />
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This build does not exist. The main giveaway is that the file dates match perfectly with Windows 7 RTM's build/revision. The other giveaway is the .16385 at the end of the file version. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 16:25, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
I just found these files on my hard drive but I didn’t watched the date</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=138837User:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-07-16T16:31:59Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: Removed the build because i found that it’s a fake</p>
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=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
==Links==<br />
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*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|User page]]<br />
*[[User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT|Talk]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/c/perroquet2008 YouTube Channel (but it’s in French because I am French)]<br />
*Don’t delete, I will continue to edit later<br /><br />
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==Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
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My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
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===PC Specs===<br />
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CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
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RAM: 16 GB<br />
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GPU: Radeon RX 5500 XT 8 GB<br />
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HDD: 1 TB Toshiba Hard Drive<br />
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==Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page==</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Windows_8&diff=138834Windows 82021-07-16T16:24:45Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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<div>{{Infobox Windows<br />
|name = Windows 8<br />
|logo = Windows 8 logo and wordmark.svg<br />
|codename = Windows 8<br />
|image = Windows8-RTM-Desktop.png<br />
|family = nt<br />
|version = 6.2<br />
|arch = x86, x64, ARM32<br />
|latestbuild = [[Windows 8 build 9200 (win8_rtm)|6.2.9200.16384.win8_rtm.120725-1247]]<br />
|releasedate = 2012-10-26<br />
|support = 2016-01-12<br />
|server = [[Windows Server 2012]]<br />
|replaces = [[Windows 7]]<br />
|replaced-by = [[Windows 8.1]]<br />
}}<br />
'''Windows 8''' is an operating system developed by Microsoft. It is the ninth major release in the Windows NT operating system line, replacing [[Windows 7]] and being later replaced by [[Windows 8.1]]. It reached RTM on 1 August 2012 and was released to general availability on 26 October 2012. Windows 8 was one of the most short-lived releases, and its support ended on 12 January 2016, as extended support was in favor of Windows 8.1.<br />
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This is the first version of Windows to drop support for processors without PAE, SSE2 and NX, as running on these processors will display a black screen with error code 0x05D and it was the first client release of Windows to drop the traditional Service Pack mechanism in favor of releasing updates on a continual basis in smaller chunks. This is the last version of 64-bit Windows to support processors without the CMPXCHG16b, PrefetchW and LAHF/SAHF instructions.<br />
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==Editions==<br />
It comes in four main editions: Core, RT, Pro, and Enterprise. All other editions are variations of those editions. <br />
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*Windows 8 (Core) is the most basic edition, intended for the average home user.<br />
*Windows RT (CoreARM) is Core for the ARM architecture. It can only launch Windows Store apps and signed Microsoft desktop applications, but apart from the addition of device encryption, it has the same feature set as its base edition.<br />
*Windows 8 Single Language (CoreSingleLanguage) is Core without the ability to install language packs.<br />
*Windows 8 China (CoreCountrySpecific), as the name implies is intended for mainland China market. It only allows the Simplified Chinese language pack to be installed.<br />
*Windows 8 Pro is meant for the enthusiast and business markets, and most notably supports running Hyper-V virtual machines, receiving RDP connections, and BitLocker.<br />
*Windows 8 Pro with Media Center is exactly what the name implies. It can be upgraded to from Core and Pro with Windows Anytime Upgrade.<br />
*Windows 8 Enterprise is designed for large organizations and can only be activated with a KMS server or MAK keys. It has the same feature set as Pro but additionally allows creating Windows to Go portable workspaces. It doesn't have Windows Media Center and it cannot be added with any officially sanctioned methods.<br />
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==Main changes==<br />
===Interface===<br />
Windows 8 was largely designed for use on touchscreen devices such as tablets, and this can be seen all across the OS, with includes bigger buttons, more distinct colors, and a more modern interface with the removal of [[Windows Aero|Aero]] transparency on open windows. The taskbar is still transparent, even though it doesn't blur anything behind it anymore. The renewal of the classic Windows shell was accompanied by the addition of the Metro interface, which includes a new Start menu (named Start screen), with a full-screen UI replacing the smaller Start menu first introduced in [[Windows 95]]. From the Start screen, Metro apps can be launched, which can take the entire screen, providing an immersive interface, or be snapped to a side of the screen alongside another application or the desktop. The File Explorer also got a renewal, with the introduction of the Ribbon UI first seen in [[Windows 7]]. The Up button, which was absent since [[Windows Longhorn build 3670]] (except for builds 3790.1232, 5000 and 5001), has been readded and the details pane is now vertical.<br />
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The Metro UI is directly integrated with the desktop, which features hot corners: positioning the mouse in certain parts of the screen will reveal new functionality. The right side features the Charms Bar, a vertical bar that includes Search, Share, Start, Devices, and Settings as buttons. Right-clicking on the bottom left corner of the screen opens the Quick Link menu, which contains shortcuts to frequently used areas.<br />
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Windows 8 was the first Windows operating system ever since [[Windows NT 3.51]] to have no Start button. Although the last build of Windows 8 to have the Start button by default was [[Windows 8 build 8176|8176]], it is possible to remove the Start button from the taskbar, on builds [[Windows 8 build 7899|7899]] to [[Windows 8 build 7997|7997]]. To accomplish this, you need to make a new DWORD in <code>HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Explorer</code> called <code>YouBettaHideYoPearl</code>, with its value set to 1. After doing so, log off and log back in. If done correctly, the Start button should be removed.<br />
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[[Desktop Window Manager]] now renders using a software-based 3D rasterizer when such an accelerator is unavailable. Additionally, the [[Windows Classic]] and [[Windows Basic]] themes have been removed. Although the visual styles still exist, they cannot be enabled by default unless the user modifies the system files.<br />
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Progress windows have been modified to remove the animation on the top and make it possible to view "more details", including a graph for tracking transfer speeds. It is also possible to pause file transfer operations.<br />
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Notifications have been updated to be more noticeable, as they appear on the right of the screen and are the same color as the current theme.<br />
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===Task Manager===<br />
The Task Manager now opens up in a simple view which only displays a list of open programs and not processes. Expanding the view reveals a modernized and improved version of the classic Task Manager, featuring tabs and a bigger focus on memory usage.<br />
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===Windows Store===<br />
Windows Store allows the consumer to distribute and download Metro apps or advertise desktop software. The Windows Store would later be redesigned in [[Windows 8.1]]. The Store was called "MSHelp" in builds before 8032. The Windows Store would later be rebranded as the Microsoft Store in September 2017 as an update for [[Windows 10]].<br />
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===Media Center===<br />
Unlike [[Windows Vista]] and [[Windows 7]], Windows Media Center is not included by default in '''''any''''' Windows 8 edition. Customers with existing Windows 8 Pro licenses can purchase Media Center with the Windows 8 Pro Pack, which was free previously under a promotional offer (until January 31, 2013).<br />
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===Display language support===<br />
Microsoft offered 109 display languages in Windows 8,<ref>Sinofsky, Steven. ''[https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/b8/2012/02/21/using-the-language-you-want/ Using the language you want]'', Building Windows 8. 21 February 2012. [https://web.archive.org/web/20191226205555/https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/b8/2012/02/21/using-the-language-you-want/ Archived] from the original on 26 December 2019.</ref> 14 more than Windows 7, including:<br />
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*English (United Kingdom)<br />
*Punjabi (Pakistan)<br />
*Sindhi (Pakistan)<br />
*Central Kurdish (Iraq)<br />
*Uyghur (People's Republic of China)<br />
*Belarusian (Belarus)<br />
*Kinyarwanda (Rwanda)<br />
*Tigrinya (Ethiopia)<br />
*Tajik (Tajikistan)<br />
*Wolof (Senegal)<br />
*K'iche' (Guatemala)<br />
*Scottish Gaelic (United Kingdom)<br />
*Cherokee (United States)<br />
*Valencian (Spain)<br />
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== Timebomb ==<br />
Similar to other Windows releases (see the page on [[Timebomb|'''Timebombs''']]), Windows 8 beta builds include a timebomb which triggers after about 180 days (although this does fluctuate between builds) from the build's official compile date (see the build's information page for the compile and timebomb activation dates).<br />
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However, some beta builds contain a broken timebomb. This means that they can be installed on the current date, without triggering the timebomb. Some of these builds include [[Windows 8 build 7746|build 7746]] through [[Windows 8 build 8888 (win8 gdr soc intel)|8888 (win8 gdr soc intel)]]. However, installing these builds on the current date renders Windows unactivated, disabling the ability to both access the personalization options in Settings and the ability to change the desktop wallpaper in the Control Panel (unless done so with third-party tools such as DeskImg or ProductPolicyEditor).<br />
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== List of known builds ==<br />
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=== Milestone 1 ===<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 7652|7652}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7700|7700.winmain.100122-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 7719|7719}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7746|7746.fbl_grfx.100428-2024}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 7788|7788.fbl_uex_cxe_dev}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 7791|7791}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 7793|7793}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 7814|7814.fbl_core1_kernel_ee.100907-1700}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 7830|7830}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7850|7850.winmain_win8m1.100922-1508}}<br />
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=== Milestone 2 ===<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 7867|7867}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 7871|7871}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7875|7875.fbl_grfx_dev1.101102-1700}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7878|7878.winmain.101104-1752}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7880|7880.fbl_grfx_dev1.101110-1700}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 7898|7898}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7899|7899.fbl_core2_sfs.101209-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 7900|7900}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 7901|7901.FBL_UEX_ICP.101213-1800}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 7910|7910.winmain.110111-1804}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7927|7927.fbl_srv_wdacxml.110214-1930}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 7947|7947}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 7950|7950.winmain_win8m2.110223-1820}}<br />
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=== Milestone 3/Developer Preview ===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7955|7955.fbl_srv_wdacxml.110228-1930}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7962|7962.fbl_srv_wdacxml.110311-1930}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7963|7963.winmain.110310-1721}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 7971|7971.winmain.110324-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 7973 (winmain)|7973.winmain.110329-1742}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7973 (fbl_core2_sid_data)|7973.fbl_core2_sid_data.110330-1700}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7973 (fbl dnt3 wireless)|7973.fbl_dnt3_wireless.110330-1800}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7973 (fbl_core1_kernel_npc)|7973.fbl_core1_kernel_npc.110330-1809}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 7976|7976.winmain.110401-1700}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7978|7978.fbl_grfx_dev1.110406-1700}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 7985|7985.fbl_core1_kernel_cptx.110503-1501}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7989|7989.winmain.110421-1825}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 7992|7992.fbl_uex_icp.110425-1934}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 7994|7994.fbl_srv_wdacxml.110427-1030}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 7996|7996.fbl_pac_dev2.110504-2214}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 7997|7997.fbl_dnt3_wireless.110504-2014}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8002|8002.fbl_dnt3_wireless.110511-1800}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8008|8008.fbl_dnt3_wireless.110518-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 8011|8011.winmain.110520-1745}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8014|8014.fbl_grfx_dev1.110525-1700}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8032|8032.fbl_core2_sid_data.110623-2054}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 8040|8040.fbl_grfx_dev1.110706-1700}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8045|8045.fbl_grfx_dev1.110713-1730}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 8049|8049.fbl_eeap.110718-0510}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8056 (winmain)|8056.winmain.110726-1851}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8056 (fbl_dnt2_bus)|8056.fbl_dnt2_bus.110727-1700}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8056 (fbl_grfx_dev1)|8056.fbl_grfx_dev1.110727-1728}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8056 (fbl_dnt3_wireless)|8056.fbl_dnt3_wireless.110727-1800}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8057|8057.winmain.110727-1825}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8059|8059.winmain.110729-1857}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8064|8064.fbl_eeap.110806-1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8065|8065}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8069|8069.winmain.110816-1802}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8090|8090}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8095|8095.winmain_win8m3.110812-1840}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8101|8101.winmain_win8m3.110822-1905}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8102.0|8102.0.winmain_win8m3.110823-1455}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8102.101|8102.101.winmain_win8m3.110830-1739}}<br />
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=== Consumer Preview ===<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8108|8108.fbl_dnt2_wipdc.110902-1700}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8112|8112.0.winmain.110909-1742}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8118|8118.fbl_core2_sfs.110921-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 8121|8121.winmain.110922-1933}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8128|8128.fbl_core1_soc_partner.111005-1916}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8130|8130.winmain.111006-1907}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8133 (fbl_grfx_dev1)|8133.fbl_grfx_dev1.111012-1400}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8133 (fbl_core2_sid_data)|8133.fbl_core2_sid_data.111012-1700}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8133 (fbl_dnt2_bus)|8133.fbl_dnt2_bus.111012-1700}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8133 (fbl_core2_sfs)|8133.fbl_core2_sfs.111012-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8133 (fbl_dnt3_wireless)|8133.fbl_dnt3_wireless.111012-1902}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8140|8140.0.winmain.111020-1857}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8148|8148.0.winmain.111103-1846}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 8158|8158.0.winmain.111118-2210}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8161|8161.0.winmain.111128-1254}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8165|8165.fbl_fun_resp.111205-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 8172|8172.?.111214-1750}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 unknown December 2011 build|817x}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8175|8175.fbl_dev_dp4.111216-2019}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8176|8176.fbl_core2_sid_dev.120104-2026}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 8180|8180.0.winmain.120109-1245}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8186|8186.winmain.120117-1707}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8194|8194.winmain.120127-1917}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8195|8195.fbl_dnt3_wireless.120201-1800}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8220|8220.winmain_win8beta.120127-1925}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8225|8225.winmain_win8beta.120203-1918}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8250|8250.0.winmain_win8beta.120217-1520}}<br />
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=== Release Preview ===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8277|8277.fbl_dnt2_bus.120208-1700}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8305 (fbl dnt3 wireless)|8305.fbl_dnt3_wireless.120321-1800}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8305 (fbl grfx dev1)|8305.fbl_grfx_dev1.120321-1830}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8305 (fbl core2 sfs)|8305.fbl_core2_sfs.120321-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 8306|8306}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8318|8318.fbl_core1_soc.120409-2355}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8330 (fbl woa)|8330.0.fbl_woa.120424-2227}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8330 (fbl grfx dev1)|8330.0.fbl_grfx_dev1.120425-1400}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8330 (fbl ie longhorn)|8330.0.fbl_ie_longhorn.120425-2121}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8331 (winmain)|8331.0.winmain.120425-1916}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8331 (fbl_loc)|8331.0.fbl_loc.120425-2034}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 8331 (fbl_uex)|8331.fbl_uex.120425-21??}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 8370|8370}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8375|8375.0.winmain_win8rc.120504-1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8377|8377.0.winmain_win8rc.120507-1903}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8382|8382}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8383|8383}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8400|8400.0.winmain_win8rc.120518-1423}}<br />
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=== Pre-RTM ===<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8422 (winmain)|8422.0.winmain.120524-1848}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8422 (fbl woa)|8422.0.fbl_woa.120524-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8422 (fbl core1 soc partner)|8422.fbl_core1_soc_partner.120525-1923}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8422 (fbl fun embedded xos devs)|8422.0.fbl_fun_embedded_xos_devs.120920-1700}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8423|8423.fbl_loc.120528-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8424 (winmain)|8424.winmain.120529-1855}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8424 (fbl_woa_drop)|8424.fbl_woa_drop.120530-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8431|8431.fbl_uex.120609-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 8432 (winmain)|8432.winmain.120611-1243}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8432 (fbl loc)|8432.0.fbl_loc.120611-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8432 (fbl_woa)|8432.0.fbl_woa.120611-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8 build 8437|8437.0.winmain.120618-1325}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8438|8438.fbl_ie_longhorn.120620-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8441|8441.0.winmain.120623-1614}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8508|8508}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8 build 8509|8509.0.fbl_eeap.120708-0952}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8513 (win8_gdr_soc_intel)|8513.0.win8_gdr_soc_intel.120710-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8513 (win8_gdr_soc_nv)|8513.0.win8_gdr_soc_nv.120710-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8513 (win8_gdr_soc_ti)|8513.0.win8_gdr_soc_ti.120710-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8518|8518.0.win8_gdr_soc_nv.120718-0003}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8520|8520.0.fbl_eeap.120722-1632}}<br />
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=== RTM Escrow ===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8888 (win8_gdr_soc_intel)|8888.16384.win8_gdr_soc_intel.120724-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8888 (win8_gdr_soc_ti)|8888.16384.win8_gdr_soc_ti.120724-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 8888 (win8_gdr_soc_nv)|8888.16384.win8_gdr_soc_nv.120724-2107}}<br />
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=== RTM ===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 9200 (win8_rtm)|9200.16384.win8_rtm.120725-1247}}<br />
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=== Post-RTM ===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 9200 (win8_gdr_soc_ti)|9200.16384.win8_gdr_soc_ti.120725-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 9200 (win8_gdr_soc_intel)|9200.16384.win8_gdr_soc_intel.120726-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8 build 9200 (win8_gdr_soc_nv)|9200.16384.win8_gdr_soc_nv.120726-2000}}<br />
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== References ==<br />
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{{Microsoft Windows}}<br />
[[Category:Windows versions]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User_talk:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=138833User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-07-16T16:20:08Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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<div>== Warning ==<br />
[[File:Information_icon4.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello. We have noticed that you added information about software builds or versions that do not actually exist, so it has been removed. Please keep in mind that BetaWiki is not the right place for Windows Never Released, Never Released OS, or similar fantasies. Thank you.<br />
This wiki is also not your grounds to advertise your TikTok. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 22:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Ok. I will stop before getting banned from BetaWiki. [[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|LePikaDuCoin YT]] ([[User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT|talk]]) 08:38, 2 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing staff warnings ==<br />
You do not get to decide where staff will post their messages on your talk page, nor do you get to undo our edits when we enforce the guidelines (read again the section about talk pages). The previous warning, this warning, and any future warnings will stay on this talk page just like for every other user, no exceptions will be made for you. If you persist, you may just get blocked. [[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 16:17, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
Yes, I already deleted the link to the Warning page and waiting for the deletion of the page</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=138830User:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-07-16T16:16:37Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
==Links==<br />
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*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|User page]]<br />
*[[User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT|Talk]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/c/perroquet2008 YouTube Channel (but it’s in French because I am French)]<br />
*Don’t delete, I will continue to edit later<br /><br />
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Hello there, internet! There is nothing to see in this part of the page<br />
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==Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
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My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
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===PC Specs===<br />
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CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
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RAM: 16 GB<br />
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GPU: Radeon RX 5500 XT 8 GB<br />
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HDD: 1 TB Toshiba Hard Drive<br />
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==Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page==<br />
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===Windows 8 Build 7719.16385 ===<br />
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No, this isn’t a fake build from Tik Tok but I found winver.exe and cmd.exe files with the version number 6.1.7719 or 6.1.7719.16385<br />
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[[File:Windows 8 Build 7719 winver.png|thumb|Windows 8 Build 7719 winver]]<br />
[[File:Windows 8 Build 7719 cmd.exe Properties.png|alt=Windows 8 Build 7719 cmd.exe Properties|thumb|Windows 8 Build 7719 cmd.exe Properties]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Orbitron&diff=138828User talk:Orbitron2021-07-16T16:15:45Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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= Welcome to my talk page. =<br />
== I am very aware that this is just the box at the top of the main page just edited a bit. ==<br />
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* [[User:Orbitron|User page]]<br />
* [[User talk:Orbitron|Talk]]<br />
* [[User:Orbitron/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
* [[User:Orbitron/watercolor.css|My BetaWiki theme]]<br />
* [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx_qxxQWP37aYcARPZpA2pQ YouTube]<br />
* [https://twitter.com/orbitron14 Twitter (inactive)]<br />
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== Your edits ==<br />
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Why do you adding the "QD" template into images when they are still in use? I do not uderstand it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 14:38, 3 November 2020 (UTC)<br />
:You do the same thing dude. [[User:ChanceManRox|orbitron]] ([[User talk:ChanceManRox|talk]]) 15:15, 3 November 2020 (UTC)<br />
::I'm adding it to images which aren't in use and are redundant, not into used images. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 08:54, 4 November 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Message from LePikaDuCoin YT ==<br />
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Why you are reverting my edit, I said I moved the warning to a dedicated page, it wasn’t deleted. It was just moved because i think a warning doesn’t have it’s place in the talk page {{Unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:There is no need to do this. You're basically removing staff warnings. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
I didn’t removed staff warnings, i just wanted to move warnings to a dedicated page {{Unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
::BF10 is staff. You removed staff warnings from your talk page. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:14, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
Oh sorry, i didn’t knew that warnings are only on the talk page, I thought that we could move these but no, I will delete the page for warnings as they are only on talk page</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Orbitron&diff=138826User talk:Orbitron2021-07-16T16:13:36Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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Why do you adding the "QD" template into images when they are still in use? I do not uderstand it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 14:38, 3 November 2020 (UTC)<br />
:You do the same thing dude. [[User:ChanceManRox|orbitron]] ([[User talk:ChanceManRox|talk]]) 15:15, 3 November 2020 (UTC)<br />
::I'm adding it to images which aren't in use and are redundant, not into used images. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 08:54, 4 November 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Message from LePikaDuCoin YT ==<br />
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Why you are reverting my edit, I said I moved the warning to a dedicated page, it wasn’t deleted. It was just moved because i think a warning doesn’t have it’s place in the talk page {{Unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:There is no need to do this. You're basically removing staff warnings. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
I didn’t removed staff warnings, i just wanted to move warnings to [[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Warnings| a dedicated page]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Orbitron&diff=138819User talk:Orbitron2021-07-16T16:06:01Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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Why do you adding the "QD" template into images when they are still in use? I do not uderstand it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 14:38, 3 November 2020 (UTC)<br />
:You do the same thing dude. [[User:ChanceManRox|orbitron]] ([[User talk:ChanceManRox|talk]]) 15:15, 3 November 2020 (UTC)<br />
::I'm adding it to images which aren't in use and are redundant, not into used images. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 08:54, 4 November 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Message from LePikaDuCoin YT ==<br />
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Why you are reverting my edit, I said I moved the warning to a dedicated page, it wasn’t deleted. It was just moved because i think a warning doesn’t have it’s place in the talk page</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User_talk:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=138817User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-07-16T16:00:59Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: Undo the edit because the warning was moved to User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Warnings</p>
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<div></div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=138814User:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-07-16T15:56:03Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
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*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|User page]]<br />
*[[User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT|Talk]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Warnings|This is a page dedicated to moderators if they need to put me some warnings]]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/c/perroquet2008 YouTube Channel (but it’s in French because I am French)]<br />
*Don’t delete, I will continue to edit later<br /><br />
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Hello there, internet! There is nothing to see in this part of the page<br />
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==Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
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My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
<br />
===PC Specs===<br />
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CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
<br />
RAM: 16 GB<br />
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GPU: Radeon RX 5500 XT 8 GB<br />
<br />
HDD: 1 TB Toshiba Hard Drive<br />
<br />
==Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page==<br />
<br />
===Windows 8 Build 7719.16385 ===<br />
<br />
No, this isn’t a fake build from Tik Tok but I found winver.exe and cmd.exe files with the version number 6.1.7719 or 6.1.7719.16385<br />
<br />
[[File:Windows 8 Build 7719 winver.png|thumb|Windows 8 Build 7719 winver]]<br />
[[File:Windows 8 Build 7719 cmd.exe Properties.png|alt=Windows 8 Build 7719 cmd.exe Properties|thumb|Windows 8 Build 7719 cmd.exe Properties]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User_talk:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=138813User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-07-16T15:54:38Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: Moving the warning to a dedicated page</p>
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<div></div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=138812User:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-07-16T15:54:07Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
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*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|User page]]<br />
*[[User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT|Talk]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/c/perroquet2008 YouTube Channel (but it’s in French because I am French)]<br />
*Don’t delete, I will continue to edit later<br /><br />
</div><br />
</div><br />
<br />
<center><br />
Hello there, internet! There is nothing to see in this part of the page<br />
</center><br />
<br />
==Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
<br />
My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
<br />
===PC Specs===<br />
<br />
CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
<br />
RAM: 16 GB<br />
<br />
GPU: Radeon RX 5500 XT 8 GB<br />
<br />
HDD: 1 TB Toshiba Hard Drive<br />
<br />
==Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page==<br />
<br />
===Windows 8 Build 7719.16385 ===<br />
<br />
No, this isn’t a fake build from Tik Tok but I found winver.exe and cmd.exe files with the version number 6.1.7719 or 6.1.7719.16385<br />
<br />
[[File:Windows 8 Build 7719 winver.png|thumb|Windows 8 Build 7719 winver]]<br />
[[File:Windows 8 Build 7719 cmd.exe Properties.png|alt=Windows 8 Build 7719 cmd.exe Properties|thumb|Windows 8 Build 7719 cmd.exe Properties]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=138811User:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-07-16T15:53:19Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
==Links==<br />
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*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|User page]]<br />
*[[User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT|Talk]]<br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/c/perroquet2008 YouTube Channel (but it’s in French because I am French)]<br />
*Don’t delete, I will continue to edit later<br /><br />
</div><br />
</div><br />
<br />
<center><br />
Hello there, internet! There is nothing to see in this part of the page<br />
</center><br />
<br />
==Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
<br />
My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
<br />
===PC Specs===<br />
<br />
CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
<br />
RAM: 16 GB<br />
<br />
GPU: Radeon RX 5500 XT 8 GB<br />
<br />
HDD: 1 TB Toshiba Hard Drive<br />
<br />
==Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page==<br />
<br />
===Windows 8 Build 7719 ===<br />
<br />
No, this isn’t a fake build from Tik Tok but I found a winver file with the version 6.1.7719<br />
<br />
[[File:Windows 8 Build 7719 winver.png|thumb|Windows 8 Build 7719 winver]]<br />
[[File:Windows 8 Build 7719 cmd.exe Properties.png|alt=Windows 8 Build 7719 cmd.exe Properties|thumb|Windows 8 Build 7719 cmd.exe Properties]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=138442User:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-07-15T17:00:49Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
==Links==<br />
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*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|User page]]<br />
*[[User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT|Talk]]<br />
* [[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/c/perroquet2008 YouTube Channel (but it’s in French because I am French)]<br />
*Don’t delete, I will continue to edit later<br /><br />
</div><br />
</div><br />
</div><br />
<center><br />
Hello there, internet! There is nothing to see in this part of the page<br />
</center><br />
<br />
== Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
<br />
My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
<br />
=== PC Specs ===<br />
<br />
CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
<br />
RAM: 16 GB<br />
<br />
GPU: Radeon RX 5500 XT 8 GB<br />
<br />
HDD: 1 TB Toshiba Hard Drive<br />
<br />
==Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page==<br />
<br />
===Windows 8 Build 7719===<br />
<br />
No, this isn’t a fake build from Tik Tok but I found a winver file with the version 6.1.7719<br />
<br />
[[File:Windows 8 Build 7719 winver.png|thumb|Windows 8 Build 7719 winver]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=138440User:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-07-15T16:55:23Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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<div><div class="mp-row nomobile"><br />
<div class="mp-box mp-header"><br />
=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
==Links==<br />
<div class="mp-header-links hlist plainlinks"><br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|User page]]<br />
*[[User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT|Talk]]<br />
* [[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/c/perroquet2008 YouTube Channel (but it’s in French because I am French)]<br />
*Don’t delete, I will continue to edit later<br /><br />
</div><br />
</div><br />
</div><br />
<center><br />
Hello there, internet! There is nothing to see in this part of the page<br />
</center><br />
<br />
== Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
<br />
My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
<br />
=== PC Specs ===<br />
<br />
CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
<br />
RAM: 16 GB<br />
<br />
GPU: Radeon RX 5500 XT 8 GB<br />
<br />
HDD: 1 TB Toshiba Hard Drive<br />
<br />
==Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page==<br />
<br />
===Windows 8 Build 7719===<br />
<br />
No, this isn’t a fake build from Tik Tok but I found a winver file with the version 6.1.7719<br />
<br />
[[File:Windows 8 Build 7719 Winver.jpg|thumb|Winver]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=User:LePikaDuCoin_YT&diff=138439User:LePikaDuCoin YT2021-07-15T16:54:45Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
<hr />
<div><div class="mp-row nomobile"><br />
<div class="mp-box mp-header"><br />
=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
==Links==<br />
<div class="mp-header-links hlist plainlinks"><br />
*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|User page]]<br />
*[[User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT|Talk]]<br />
* [[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
*[https://www.youtube.com/c/perroquet2008 YouTube Channel (but it’s in French because I am French)]<br />
*Don’t delete, I will continue to edit tomorrow because in France it’s actually night<br /><br />
</div><br />
</div><br />
</div><br />
<center><br />
Hello there, internet! There is nothing to see in this part of the page<br />
</center><br />
<br />
== Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
<br />
My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
<br />
=== PC Specs ===<br />
<br />
CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
<br />
RAM: 16 GB<br />
<br />
GPU: Radeon RX 5500 XT 8 GB<br />
<br />
HDD: 1 TB Toshiba Hard Drive<br />
<br />
==Some builds that doesn’t need an entire page==<br />
<br />
===Windows 8 Build 7719===<br />
<br />
No, this isn’t a fake build from Tik Tok but I found a winver file with the version 6.1.7719<br />
<br />
[[File:Windows 8 Build 7719 Winver.jpg|thumb|Winver]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Nickel&diff=134993Nickel2021-07-04T10:05:57Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: Undo revision 134878 by 2607:9880:21E8:9D:14C6:2223:AE3D:6D0F (talk)</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Windows<br />
|name = Nickel<br />
|logo = Windows_11_logo_and_wordmark.svg<br />
|family = 11<br />
|arch = AMD64, ARM64<br />
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'''Nickel''' is the 22H1 development cycle of [[Windows 11]]. As of June 2021, no builds have been publicly released yet. Early builds of Nickel identify themselves as Windows 10. <br />
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==List of known builds==<br />
===Pre-Dev Channel===<br />
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{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22350.1000|22350.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22351.1000|22351.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22352.1000|22352.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22353.1000|22353.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22354.1000|22354.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22355.1000|22355.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22356.1000|22356.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22358.1000|22358.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22359.1000|22359.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22360.1001|22360.1001}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22361.1000|22361.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22362.1000|22362.1000}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22376|22376.rs_prerelease.210504-1503}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 10 build 22395|22395.rs_onecore_wsd.210530-1400}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 10 build 22397|22397.rs_xbox.210602-1436}}<br />
[[Category:Windows versions]]</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Windows_3.1x&diff=134548Windows 3.1x2021-07-02T08:39:08Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: /* Beta 1 */Removed the fake Build 036e because it has been deleted</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Windows<br />
|logo = Windows logo - 1992.svg<br />
|logo size = 64px<br />
|image = Windows-3.1.103-Desktop.png<br />
|family = 16<br />
|version = 3.1x<br />
|latestbuild = [[Windows for Workgroups 3.11 build 300|3.11.300 (Windows for Workgroups 3.11)]]<br />
|arch = x86 (PC/AT, PC-98, FM Towns)<br />
|releasedate = 1992-04-06<br />
|support = 2001-12-31<br />
|replaces = [[Windows 3.0]]<br />
|replaced-by = [[Windows 95]]<br />
}}<br />
'''Windows 3.1x''' is a family of Windows versions following [[Windows 3.0]] initially released on 6 April 1992. It added TrueType support and included multimedia components installed by default. System stability was greatly increased compared to Windows 3.0, while the user interface was refined and improved. Support for real mode was dropped, and in further updates, Standard mode was dropped as well. It was succeeded by [[Windows 95]] released in 1995.<br />
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== History ==<br />
The first release was Windows 3.1 in 1992. Windows for Workgroups 3.1 was released alongside Windows 3.1 in 1992 and featured support for networking. It was updated to Windows for Workgroups 3.11 in 1993, whose core was also backported to Windows 3.1 as an update. A separate simplified Chinese release called Windows 3.2 was also made, fixing problems related to the input of Chinese characters.<br />
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Aside from the standalone version, Microsoft also released a combined bundle of MS-DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1 codenamed ''Janus''.<ref>http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/TP011907.txt</ref> Later, with the release of [[MS-DOS 6.00]], an updated version codenamed ''Jastro'' was released.<ref>http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/assets/attachments/2_6_07_Schulman_Deposition.pdf</ref><br />
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Although Microsoft ended support on 31 December 2001, the OEM versions of Windows for Workgroups 3.11 on embedded systems were still available until 2008.<ref>https://www.theregister.com/2008/11/05/microsoft_retires_windows_3_1_1/</ref><br />
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== List of known builds ==<br />
{{builds legend}}<br />
=== Windows 3.1 ===<br />
==== Beta 1 ====<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 014|3.10.014 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 026|3.10.026 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 031|3.10.031 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 3.1 build 033|3.10.033 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 034b|3.10.034b }}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 034f|3.10.034f }}<br />
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==== Beta 2 ====<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 038|3.10.038 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 042|3.10.042 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 3.1 build 043c|3.10.043c }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 043d|3.10.043d }}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 043e|3.10.043e }}<br />
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==== Final Beta ====<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 046|3.10.046 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 047|3.10.047 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 050|3.10.050 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 055|3.10.055 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 058|3.10.058 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 060|3.10.060 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 061|3.10.061 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 061b|3.10.061b }}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 061d|3.10.061d }}<br />
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==== Release Candidate ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 068|3.10.068 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 069|3.10.069 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 070|3.10.070 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 071|3.10.071 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 101|3.10.101 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 RC2|3.10 RC2 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 RC3a|3.10 RC3a }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 RC3b|3.10 RC3b }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 RC3c|3.10 RC3c }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 RC3d|3.10 RC3d }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 RC3e|3.10 RC3e }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 RC3f|3.10 RC3f }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 RC3g|3.10 RC3g }}<br />
<br />
==== Pre-RTM ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103 RC 1992-03-02|3.10.103 (RC 1992-03-02)}}<br />
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==== RTM ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 }}<br />
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==== OEM versions ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(AST OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(Auva OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(Chicony OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(CMOS OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(Commodore OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(Dell OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(FORT Dialogue OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(Gateway 2000 OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(HP OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(HP Vectra OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(IBM OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(NEC OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(Siemens OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(Tulip OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(Uniron OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(VTech OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 103|3.10.103 ''(Zenith OEM)''}}<br />
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==== OEM Adaption Kit ====<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 103 OAK|3.10.103 (OAK) }}<br />
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==== International RTM ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 104|3.10.104 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 127|3.10.127 }}<br />
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==== East Asian Beta ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 141|3.10.141 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 Simplified Chinese Beta|3.10 Simplified Chinese Beta }}<br />
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==== East Asian RTM ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 151|3.10.151 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 153|3.10.153 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 158|3.10.158 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 160|3.10.160 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 161|3.10.161 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 165|3.10.165 }}<br />
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==== East Asian OEMs ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 153|3.10.153 ''(Epson OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 153 (L10)|3.10.153 ''(Fujitsu OEM)'' (L10)}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 153 (L11)|3.10.153 ''(Fujitsu OEM)'' (L11)}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 153 (L12)|3.10.153 ''(Fujitsu OEM)'' (L12)}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 153|3.10.153 ''(IBM OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows 3.1 build 160|3.10.160 ''(Mitsubishi OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 161|3.10.161 ''(Epson OEM)''}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.1 build 161|3.10.161 ''(NEC OEM)''}}<br />
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=== Windows 3.11 ===<br />
==== RTM ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.11 build 002|3.11.002 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.11 build 050|3.11.050 }}<br />
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=== Windows 3.2 ===<br />
====Beta====<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.2 build 153 (Red China)|3.20.153 (Red China)}}<br />
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==== RTM ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows 3.2 build 153|3.20.153 }}<br />
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=== Windows for Workgroups 3.1 ===<br />
==== Beta ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows for Workgroups 3.1 Beta 1|Beta 1}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows for Workgroups 3.1 build 014e|3.10.014e }}<br />
{{ BLItem Confirmed|Windows for Workgroups 3.1 build 023|3.10.023 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows for Workgroups 3.1 build 024|3.10.024 }}<br />
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==== Final Beta ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows for Workgroups 3.1 build 027|3.10.027 }}<br />
==== RTM ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows for Workgroups 3.1 build 102|3.10.102 }}<br />
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=== Windows for Workgroups 3.11 ===<br />
==== Beta ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows for Workgroups 3.11 build 026|3.11.026 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows for Workgroups 3.11 build 048|3.11.048 }}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows for Workgroups 3.11 build 070|3.11.070 }}<br />
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==== Release Candidate 1 ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows for Workgroups 3.11 build 100|3.11.100 }}<br />
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==== Release Candidate ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows for Workgroups 3.11 build 300 RC 1993-10-13|3.11.300 (RC 1993-10-13)}}<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows for Workgroups 3.11 build 300 RC 1993-10-21|3.11.300 (RC 1993-10-21)}}<br />
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==== RTM ====<br />
{{ BLItem Leaked|Windows for Workgroups 3.11 build 300|3.11.300 }}<br />
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== References ==<br />
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Ok. I will stop before getting banned from BetaWiki. [[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|LePikaDuCoin YT]] ([[User talk:LePikaDuCoin YT|talk]]) 08:38, 2 July 2021 (UTC)</div>LePikaDuCoin YThttps://betawiki.net/index.php?title=File:MicrosoftStoreInstallationFailed.png&diff=134500File:MicrosoftStoreInstallationFailed.png2021-07-01T22:28:20Z<p>LePikaDuCoin YT: </p>
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=Welcome to my user page.=<br />
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*[[User:LePikaDuCoin YT|User page]]<br />
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* [[User:LePikaDuCoin YT/Sandbox|Sandbox]]<br />
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== Some interesting stuff==<br />
===My favorite [[Windows]] builds (both RTM and Beta)===<br />
My favorite Windows version is [[Windows 7]]<br />
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My favorite Windows build is [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|Windows 8 Build 8102]]<br />
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=== PC Specs ===<br />
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CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X<br />
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RAM: 16 GB<br />
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GPU: Radeon RX 5500 XT 8 GB<br />
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