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Release 5|Microsoft Windows 1.0 Development Release #5}}<br />
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<div>{{Infobox Windows version<br />
|logo = Windows logo and wordmark - 1985.svg<br />
|image = Windows1-1.01-DesktopVESA.png<br />
|family = 16<br />
|version = 1.0<br />
|latestbuild = [[Windows 1.04|1.04]]<br />
|preliminary = Interface Manager<br />
|arch = x86 16-bit<br />
|releasedate = 1985-11-20<br />
|support = 2001-12-31<br />
|replaced-by = [[Windows 2.x]]<br />
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'''Windows 1.0''' is the first version of [[Microsoft Windows]], announced on 10 November 1983.<ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=uy8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA32</ref> The retail release was originally going to be held in April 1984, but was later pushed back to June 1985, and was then eventually released to retail stores on 20 November 1985.<br />
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According to Microsoft, Windows 1.0 is a 16-bit "Operating Environment" designed to run on top of MS-DOS and is not a standalone operating system. This version was succeeded by [[Windows 2.x]].<br />
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== History ==<br />
In 1981, the Apps division of Microsoft (Microsoft had two primary divisions during this time - "Systems" and "Apps", for systems software and application development respectively) began to develop a common interface library for all of the productivity applications being developed within the division at the time (mostly Word and the Multiplan spreadsheet). This went by several names, notably MUSH (Microsoft User SHell) and Interface Manager, and is an entirely text-mode UI framework signified by the "session control" strip with context-specific commands at the bottom of the screen. There were also brief plans for a "visual shell" using this UI to be shipped using DOS 2.0, but these were scrapped before the final release. Variants of the MUSH/Interface Manager interface would ship in DOS Word 1.0 and Multiplan in 1982 and 1983, after the development of the Windows product had already begun.<br />
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At the same time that Interface Manager was being developed, a European standards committee was developing a standard for computer graphics, known as GKS. Microsoft wished to create a software product that would implement this standard on top of MS-DOS in a device-independent manner; Microsoft hired a developer to start this endeavour at the beginning of 1982, with another being transferred from Compiled Basic to assist with shrinking the code down later (mostly by converting it from C to assembly to meet the memory limitations of early IBM PCs) later that year. This project was dubbed GDI (Graphics Device Independence), later renamed to Graphics Device Interface, initially focusing on vector graphics.<br />
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It was eventually decided in the middle of 1982 to merge the Interface Manager and GDI teams into one team to develop a GUI-based package with device-independent graphics drawing, which gradually evolved into a (mostly) fully-fledged operating system with its own API and executable format. Initially this was called "Microsoft Window Manager"; a series of mockups and demo applications designed to resemble the final product ("Demonstration Version 0.01") was shown off to BYTE Magazine in September of 1983 under this name, featuring overlapping windows and showcasing both "cooperative" and "uncooperative" DOS applications that directly modified video memory. The product had been renamed to "Windows" by the time it was announced on November 10, 1983, with an early build demoed at COMDEX '83 two weeks later - by this time, the design of the standard window had changed to a design closer to the final version, with tiled windows and a messagebar at the top of the screen that would eventually be removed later in the product's development cycle (the UI changes being significant enough for BYTE to mention in their article). The original announced release date was April of 1984; this slipped several times and was most likely never realistic in the first place, with a pre-alpha release strictly for developers not even shipping until the end of May. <br />
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These development releases were very unstable and represented a rapidly changing system that was in no way even close to being ready for release - despite Microsoft's repeated promises of imminent release - with critical elements required for a functioning operating system such as a functioning memory management system not present until the fifth development release at the end of October 1984 and the executable format and basic API tenets (such as individual registering of procedures being changed to window classes) completely changing several times as late as January of 1985. The development releases were followed with an "Alpha Release" (with a very different and completely incompatible API to the previous development release 5) in January 1985, followed up by a beta release in May of 1985. After yet another release date of summer 1985 was blown up by a critical defect in the aforementioned memory management code necessitating a rewrite, Microsoft sent out the "Premiere Edition", a glorified beta release, to press and OEMs, and at least one OEM shipped a pre-release version of the product (version 1.xx, in September 1985), possibly out of contractual obligations or mere frustration with Microsoft's apparent inability to complete Windows.<br />
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After a sustained crunch period throughout the summer and autumn of 1985 and a series of semi-regular beta and "Retail Beta" releases through the next few months, the operating system was finally completed on November 14, 1985, and sent into mass production the next day. While it was a high-quality product with few bugs by all accounts, the operating system was faulted for requiring expensive, optional hardware for the time (such as a mouse), and for high hardware requirements; despite this it was successful enough for Microsoft to begin developing "Windows 1.5", which would count overlapping windows. After around two years of work and four external alpha and beta releases, it would be renamed to [[Windows 2.x|Windows 2.0]], first with version 2.01 released in September 1987 for OEMs, and 2.03 released three months later for retail consumers.<br />
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== List of known builds ==<br />
{{builds legend}}<br />
=== Multiplan-like demos ===<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 BYTE demo|Window Manager Demonstration 0.01 (BYTE demo)}}<br />
{{BLItem Fake|Interface Manager Internal Test Release 3|Interface Manager Internal Test Release #3}}<br />
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=== Later demos ===<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 1.0 1983-11-01 build|1983-11-01 build}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 InfoWorld 1983-11-21 build|''InfoWorld'' 1983-11-21 build}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 Fall COMDEX build|Fall COMDEX build}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 1983-11-20 build|1983-11-20 build}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 PC Mag 1984-01-24 build|''PC Mag'' 1984-01-24 build}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 1984-02-22 build|1984-02-22 build}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 April 1984 build|April 1984 build}}<br />
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=== Development releases ===<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 Development Release 1|Development Release #1}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 Development Release 2|Development Release #2}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 Tandy 2000 builds|Tandy 2000 builds}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 Development Release 3|Development Release #3}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 Development Release 4|Development Release #4}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.0 Development Release 5|Development Release #5}}<br />
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=== Pre-release ===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.0 Alpha Release|Alpha Release}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 "Science et Vie Micro" build|''Science et Vie Micro'' build}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 "InfoWorld 1985-07-01" build|''InfoWorld'' 1985-07-01 build}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.0 Beta Release|Beta Release}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 Preliminary Version 0.50|Preliminary Version 0.50}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 "PC Mag 1985-08-20" build|''PC Mag'' 1985-08-20 build}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.0 Premiere Edition|Premiere Edition}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 September 1985 builds|September 1985 builds}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 1985-10-11 build|1985-10-11 build}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.0 1985-10-28 build|1985-10-28 build}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.00.08|Beta V1.00.08}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.00.09|Retail Beta Release 1.00.09}}<br />
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=== Early OEM release ===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.xx|1.xx}}<br />
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=== Retail release ===<br />
{{BLItem Fake|Windows 1.00|1.00}}<br />
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==== 1.01 ====<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.01|1.01}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.AX|1.AX ''(Zenith Z-100 OEM)''}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows TC 1.00 (Tulip OEM)|TC 1.00 ''(Tulip OEM)''}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.01.11|1.01.11 ''(DEC VAXmate OEM)''}}<br />
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==== 1.02 ====<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.02.02|Beta V1.02.02}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.02|1.02}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.02 (RM OEM)|1.02 ''(RM Nimbus PC-186 OEM)''}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.02 (Siemens OEM)|1.02 ''(Siemens PC-D OEM)''}}<br />
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==== 1.03 ====<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 1.03.04|Beta V1.03.04}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.03|1.03}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.03 (NEC PC-9800 OEM)|1.03 ''(NEC PC-9800 OEM)''}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows A.01.03|A.01.03 ''(HP OEM)''}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows TC 1.03 (Tulip OEM)|TC-1.03 ''(Tulip OEM)''}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.03.08|1.03.08 ''(DEC VAXmate OEM)''}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows VR1.03|VR1.03 ''(ACT Apricot XEN OEM)''}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.03.04 (DEC Rainbow OEM)|1.03.04 ''(DEC Rainbow 100 OEM)''}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.03 (ICL OEM)|1.03 ''(ICL OEM)''}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.03 (RM OEM)|1.03 ''(RM Nimbus PC-186 OEM)''}}<br />
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==== 1.04 ====<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 1.04|1.04}}<br />
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== Trivia ==<br />
''Did you know...''<br />
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*Windows 1.0 was the longest supported version of Windows by Microsoft? It was supported for 16 years until 31 December 2001.<br />
*When Windows 1.0 tries to show a date with the year 2000, it actually shows it as 100? Similarly, {{CURRENTYEAR}} → {{#expr: {{CURRENTYEAR}} - 1900}}<br />
*This is the only version of Windows by Microsoft to not have overlapping windows on the desktop, this was due to Apple copyrighting the design of the overlapping windows.<br />
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== References ==<br />
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{{Microsoft Windows}}<br />
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== Automoderated user request ==<br />
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<s>Can I please be automoderated user? By so far, I didn't do any vandalism, and I made a lot of edits. [[User:BGRComputers.co|BGRComputers.co]] ([[User talk:BGRComputers.co|talk]]) 00:59, 13 August 2021 (UTC)</s><br />
:<s>Alright, I have been waiting for the rest of the month and no replies from any admin. And I did not vandalize, but I assumed good faith. Can I be an automoderated user please? [[User:BGRComputers.co|BGRComputers.co]] ([[User talk:BGRComputers.co|talk]]) 23:40, 1 September 2021 (UTC)</s><br />
::Automoderated hasn't been relevant in years lol --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 00:01, 2 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::<s>What's that supposed to mean? Xeno has become an automoderated user on 14 June 2021. [[User:BGRComputers.co|BGRComputers.co]] ([[User talk:BGRComputers.co|talk]]) 00:14, 2 September 2021 (UTC)</s><br />
::::Okay, I have been waiting and some users become automoderated users this year, and I trusted to be one. I still made good edits. Can I please become an automoderated user? [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 13:45, 28 December 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Delete this page. ==<br />
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When I was redesigning my user page and testingrooms, I accidently created the page [[User:User:Orangera1n/testingrooms/testingroom2]] {{unsigned|Orangera1n}}<br />
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== About file uploads ==<br />
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Ok so I want to add sounds (Startup, Shutdown, Error, and other sounds) To pages like Windows XP in a collapsible area, but the problem is that you aren't able to upload .ogg or .MP3 files, so unless there is another way, please fix this! <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''14:59, 1 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:Perhaps it would be a better idea to consult this with other users first than just telling us to fix it? --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 15:03, 1 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::There's really no need to do this. We're a beta wiki, not a sounds wiki. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 16:28, 1 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::also sounds are copyrighted and can likely fuck us up. -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 16:56, 1 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::Well I have and Idea, how about we only add beta sounds (EX: NT 5.0), Or we can add fake sounds such as (EX: Longhorn Sounds), or both, its really up to you guys. (Im under 17, so dont swear) <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''21:50, 1 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:::::"we can add fake sounds" why would we do that lmao [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 21:50, 1 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::Who Cares? We can Just add them into the pages because why not? Actually the point is to explain "Software History" so why not add this so people know what the sounds sound like (for some reason) <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''21:53, 1 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:::::::Like Orbitron said, we document betas, not sounds. There are tons of videos that showcase them so there's no point in us documenting them here when people can just look them up on YouTube. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 22:03, 1 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
Move this into the [[BetaWiki:Community portal|Community portal]]. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 22:19, 1 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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==Name change request==<br />
I no longer want to use the name Norman anymore. Can someone please change it to MikeShinoda2001 for me please? It is September now. [[User:Norman|formerly known as Norman]] 07:06, 2 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Wouldn't this end up the same as the BenjiMadden name where you didn't want it anymore after a short while.. --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 09:27, 2 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I think i will make this my last one on here... just letting ya know i change names often, this is my ''fifth'' name here, norman is my fourth.[[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 09:32, 2 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:If we count 6 months proper for each of your renames since the first one, that's 5 October at the earliest... --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 07:02, 6 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Ok ill wait until october [[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 07:04, 6 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Name Change Request ==<br />
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Hello, I was wondering if I could change my name to Byron if it is currently available because I have not seen it and probably didn't realize I could use it as my name. Thank you! - Byronbytes<br />
:looks like you have to wait until november 30th :( [[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 18:20, 3 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:: oh thats okay I'll wait! - Byronbytes<br />
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== Change my user name ==<br />
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Hey, I would like my username to be changed from "BGRComputers.co" to "Bubblebeam". Also, although I still like my old current name, but I wanted my user name to be changed to the latter please. [[User:BGRComputers.co|BGRComputers.co]] ([[User talk:BGRComputers.co|talk]]) 22:57, 3 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== The site is broken. ==<br />
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I notice the UI portion of the site is partially broken. [[User:Orangera1n|Orangera1n]] ([[User Talk:Orangera1n|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Orangera1n|contribs]]) 23:15, 6 September 2021 (UTC)"<br />
:the site isn't broken, this is a visual glitch coming ethier from your browser or because your LTE is struggling. -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 23:40, 6 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:The site isn't broken - it's on your end. Notice that you have 2 bars of LTE. The CSS just hasn't loaded in yet. - [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 23:42, 6 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::i get the same problem as orangera1n when i switch to desktop mode [[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 00:09, 7 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Switch to the Vector theme in the settings for a brief moment and make sure "Use legacy Vector" is enabled. Then switch back to watercolor. This should fix the issue. --[[User:Cvolton|Cvolton]] ([[User Talk:Cvolton|talk]] | [[special:contributions/Cvolton|contribs]]) 00:18, 7 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
I fixed it [[User:Orangera1n|Orangera1n]] ([[User Talk:Orangera1n|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Orangera1n|contribs]]) 00:43, 7 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Questions ==<br />
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We should have a page to ask questions, Ill give and example of a wiki question: "Am I allowed to make a page called User:Beta Kiwi/Windows 4.0?" Another page (or the same page) Could be dedicated to Windows Questions such as: "Why is Windows Neptune 5111.6 Not Listed?". If not, I may make one on my page, still deciding if it should be in a testing room, or something else -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''01:16, 9 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:[[BetaWiki:Community portal]] {{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 09:33, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Rename ==<br />
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Short story: I want to be Renamed to: Beta -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''21:50, 9 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:❌ Your account would be eligible on age alone, but considering you didn't actually start contributing to the wiki until a few weeks ago, I will not rename your account until 2 March 2022. Not to mention the chosen username is quite generic. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 20:57, 15 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== User account rename request ==<br />
=== First request (withdrawn) ===<br />
<s>Can one of the admins please change my user name to WinInsider? [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 01:17, 11 September 2021 (UTC) (Nara Insider) [EDIT: This message is being copied and pasted by [[User:我是王牌66|a fucking user]], so I reworded it. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 08:48, 19 September 2021 (UTC)]</s><br />
:❌ Your account is not eligible until 24 November. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 20:57, 15 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::<s>Okay. I'll wait until the date you mentioned. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 13:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Oh no. The renaming process might take a bit longer than expected. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 06:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)</s><br />
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I need to withdraw this request. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 08:11, 29 November 2021 (UTC) [EDIT: '''THE 66 GUY!?!?''' --[[User:Nara Insider|Nara66]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 04:05, 12 January 2022 (UTC)]<br />
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=== Second request ===<br />
I want to be renamed to Nara66. --[[User:Nara Insider|Nara66]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 03:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Please remane my account. ==<br />
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Hello. Could you change my nickname to "captainlinux8880"? Thanks. [[User:People|People]] ([[User talk:People|talk]]) 18:52, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:✔️ Renamed and removed your old alt account in the process. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 20:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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==Please remove my username as I'm leaving this account.==<br />
I'm leaving this account right now after I create this message, so can a admin remove my username? I'm going to edit using my IP address until October 5 when Windows 11 releases and I make screenshots of installation. [[User:Wabbah|Wabbah]] ([[User talk:Wabbah|talk]]) 18:17, 15 September 2021 (UTC)Wabbah (leaving soon)<br />
:...and then you created a new account and got banned because you broke a guideline... why bother? (yes i know he's not able to reply to this lol) -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 18:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Delete [[User talk:我是王牌66]]. ==<br />
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<del>Can you delete [[User talk:我是王牌66]] again? I don't need this anymore because currently I don't accept any discussions. --[[User:我是王牌66|创世的蔷薇]] ([[User talk:我是王牌66|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/我是王是66|contribs]]) 14:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC) </del><br />
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:No. -[[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 16:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:mfw this 66 kid isn't blocked, he seems to hate criticisms for absoultely no reason what so ever. -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 16:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:<del>I don't need this page anymore, because it was created by someone else after being deleted for the first time. I want to delete it again, so that I can create a page according to a template page. Please be assured that after this, I will not make any deletion request to my user discussion page. And I won't remove any more messages. --[[User:我是王牌66|创世的蔷薇]] ([[User talk:我是王牌66|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/我是王是66|contribs]]) 23:48, 17 September 2021 (UTC)</del><br />
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::...so we're supposed to delete your talk page just so you can create it again? Yeah no. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 23:51, 17 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::<del>Yes, yes. After deleted I will recreate. Please be assured that after this, I will not make any deletion request to my user discussion page. And I won't remove any more messages. --[[User:我是王牌66|创世的蔷薇]] ([[User talk:我是王牌66|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/我是王是66|contribs]]) 23:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)</del><br />
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::::Why can't you just blank the page at that point? [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 23:57, 17 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:::::They want the edit history gone for some stupid reason [[Special:Contributions/60.241.87.109|60.241.87.109]] 00:01, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::::::<del>I need to delete the page, because the previous two discussion pages were created by others. I hope to create a discussion page with a template again, which will become more popular. --[[User:我是王牌66|创世的蔷薇]] ([[User talk:我是王牌66|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/我是王是66|contribs]]) 08:42, 18 September 2021 (UTC)</del><br />
::::::: It doesn't matter. You can blank it and replace the content.<br />
::::::: By the way, can admins delete my userpage, please? [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 08:47, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::<del>Everyone else used to create this discussion page. I hope to clear the history and prove my reputation. My reputation means that this discussion was also created by myself. Please hurry up, this is the last time to delete the discussion page. --[[User:我是王牌66|粉红豹]] ([[User talk:我是王牌66|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/我是王是66|contribs]]) (我是王牌66) 08:49, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::First of all, the first theory is that I have already said [[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]]'s reminder. Instead of refusing or disobeying the warning, I [[User talk:我是王牌66/Archive 2|archived]] it, it also means that I know the reminder. The second theory is that I want to delete the history by deleting the page, so that I can recreate the page myself. I don't like people creating my discussion page at will to harass me. --[[User:我是王牌66|粉红豹]] ([[User talk:我是王牌66|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/我是王是66|contribs]]) (我是王牌66) 08:55, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::This is the last time to delete the discussion page. I want to create it myself, because that user has created the meeting for me, and I promise to make it the last time. --[[User:我是王牌66|粉红豹]] ([[User talk:我是王牌66|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/我是王是66|contribs]]) (我是王牌66) 15:08, 18 September 2021 (UTC)</del><br />
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:::::::::::''Nobody's'' harassing you whatsoever, they are simply asking you basic questions, and yet, you decide to flip out because you were asked one basic thing. And then, when you were warned for repeatedly asking for your user talk page to be deleted, you immediately replaced that with the same template that they were warning you about. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 15:14, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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The deletion policy has been clarified in that user talk pages are not eligible for quick deletion. We are certainly not deleting pages just so you can recreate them yourself, that and this discussion is merely a waste of our time we could have spent on more productive things. This matter is now closed. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 15:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:<del>I really guarantee the last time. This is because another user helped me to create the discussion page. I like to create my own discussion page and help me create the discussion page. Obviously, I made it clear before that I would not accept any discussion. I really guarantee that this will not happen again. <br />
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::Delete as soon as possible, I really promise the last time. If others create their own discussion page, my page was created by others first. I hope to recreate the page by myself, which means that the history is cleared, so it can be solved by quick deletion. --[[User:我是王牌66|粉红豹]] ([[User talk:我是王牌66|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/我是王是66|contribs]]) (我是王牌66) 15:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)</del><br />
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:::why are you still going with this... like why are you so desperate to get the edit history removed [[Special:Contributions/60.241.87.109|60.241.87.109]] 15:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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::::<del>Actually, I already stated at the end of August that I would not accept any discussion, but I wanted to help reach a consensus by deleting the page in September. After deleting the page, that user must help me create a page to add new discussion. Actually, when I saw that user appeal the build [[macOS Mojave build 18F2057]], I removed his message and claimed that I would not accept any discussion. Please delete it quickly, and really guarantee the last time. --[[User:我是王牌66|粉红豹]] ([[User talk:我是王牌66|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/我是王是66|contribs]]) (我是王牌66) 15:28, 18 September 2021 (UTC)</del><br />
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''This request was withdrawn. --[[User:我是王牌66|粉红豹]] ([[User talk:我是王牌66|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/我是王是66|contribs]]) (我是王牌66) 21:07, 21 November 2021 (CST)''<br />
:It was rejected long before you withdrew it... --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 13:37, 22 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Username change request ==<br />
=== First rename ===<br />
<del>Can someone please change my user name from "我是王牌66" to "liamchat"? --[[User:我是王牌66|liamchat]] ([[User talk:我是王牌66|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/我是王是66|contribs]]) (我是王牌66) 08:47, 18 September 2021 (UTC)</del><br/><br />
:You have to wait until january 12th 2022 for that [[Special:Contributions/60.241.87.109|60.241.87.109]] 08:48, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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=== Second rename ===<br />
<del>Hi can anyone change my account's name from 我是王牌66 to liamchat because I wanna change my current name, I don't like my current one anymore. --[[User:我是王牌66|liamchat]] ([[User talk:我是王牌66|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/我是王是66|contribs]]) (我是王牌66) 20:08, 26 November 2021 (PST)</del><br />
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::Nice try. But you have to wait until at least 13 January 2022 in order to have your user renamed. [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 04:30, 27 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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=== Remarks ===<br />
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''This request was withdrawn. [[User:我是王牌66|liamchat]] ([[User talk:我是王牌66|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/我是王是66|contribs]]) (我是王牌66) 03:02, 12 January 2022 (UTC)''<br />
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== Change my account's name ==<br />
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Hi can anyone change my account's name from Techman to SouvlakiTechGr because I wanna change my current name, I don't like my current one anymore. {{unsigned|Techman}}<br />
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== Q&A ==<br />
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Will you please unban me, also, can you find screenshots of Mac OS 7.6 and Mac OS 7.6.1? {{unsigned|MJ2003}}<br />
:Your ban has already expired. Plus, this is a place where you ask administrators to do things that only they can do, other questions go in [[BW:Community portal]]. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 20:32, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Rename ==<br />
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Please rename me to Sakura2005. --[[User:Hanhan188|Hanhan188]] 3:12,November 7 2021<br />
:❌ Your account is not eligible yet. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 03:19, 7 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
::So you have to wait until at least 9 December 2021 in order to have your user renamed. [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 03:34, 7 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Delete Android 10 build QP1A.020 ==<br />
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I want to merge the AOSP and One UI articles into an article with this name as they are essentially the same Android build, just with/without Samsung's One UI skin. It currently redirects to the One UI article. {{Unsigned|Th3userscene}}<br />
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== Can you add more game console articles? ==<br />
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[[Xbox OS]], [[Xbox 360 OS]], [[Opera#Internet Channel|Internet Channel]], [[PlayStation 3 OS]] and [[PlayStation 4 OS]]. That's all them. {{Unsigned|85.101.211.135}}<br />
:Who's going to write the content? It won't appear automagically. Also see the notice on top. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 13:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Not me. I'm a anonymous user, so i can't. {{Unsigned|85.101.211.135}}<br />
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== Can somebody delete my account? == <br />
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I forgot the password to my account, (My account is Boalbads) and I didn't add an email to it, can somebody please delete it? (I'm also slowly learning how to edit.) {{unsigned|2001:8b0:157b:c01e:bd9b:ce1e:6632:e07c}}<br />
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== Delete these pages. ==<br />
Can admins delete pages listed below, please?<br />
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* [[User:Nara Insider|My user page]]<br />
* [[User:Nara Insider/Sandbox]]<br />
* [[User:Nara Insider/Sandbox/1]]<br />
* [[User:Nara Insider/Sandbox/2]]<br />
* [[User:Nara Insider/Sandbox/3]]<br />
* [[User:Nara Insider/Sandbox/4]]<br />
* [[:File:22000.51 OldStore.PNG]]<br />
* [[:File:Win11installing.png]]<br />
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--[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 12:16, 5 December 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Please delete my user page and [[User:Nara Insider/watercolor.css|this CSS.]] --[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 07:24, 10 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
:Im pretty sure that its impossible to delete a user page, and why do you need to delete it? do you not want to put a single fact about yourself? -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi|Beta Kiwi]] 01:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC)'''</span><br />
::I need to delete my user page, because the 66 guy is trying to copy my user page. --[[User:Nara Insider|Nara Insider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 01:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Re-Renamed ==<br />
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Please rename me to Sakura2005. --[[User:Hanhan188|Hanhan188]] 12:15,17 December,2021<br />
and delete my page <br />
[[User:Hanhan188/China]]<br />
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== Rename Request ==<br />
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As of my poll that I was intended for members from 2 servers, they have majority voted me for changing my username to '''NekoSam395'''. May someone can change my current username to this? 😸 Hi. I'm [[User:SamCool939|SamCool939]]. ([[User talk:SamCool939|💬]] | [[Special:Contributions/SamCool939|👨💻]]) 11:01, 31 December 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Request: Inability to edit pages ==<br />
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If I edit the pages too much and for a long time, the system will not allow I to do this and will display the following error: "This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Don't link drafts from main space". What is the reason for this and how can it be corrected? Thanks. [[User:Captainlinux8880|Captainlinux8880]] ([[User talk:Captainlinux8880|talk]])<br />
:It says it right there; "Don't link drafts from main space". [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 12:49, 17 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Unban request ==<br />
Can admins please unban Nara Insider? [''Nara Insider says:'' I promise I will not do edit wars anymore. Also, I will not make pesky dramas anymore.] --[[Special:Contributions/103.155.246.47|103.155.246.47]] 05:15, 24 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
:Nice try, but editing your comment to make it look like you're not Nara isn't going to fool anybody. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 12:15, 24 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
:This is Nara Insider's main IP address. The user was banned, but the IP wasn't banned. '''I am Nara Insider.''' --[[Special:Contributions/103.155.246.47|103.155.246.47]] 12:51, 24 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
::Apologizing for getting banned is not going to make you unbanned. It'll be just waste of time. Also, there's a chance to make things even worse. As I know, unbanning process only happens when Abuse Filter bans an account and if it's false positive. But your ban is not both of them. So, you have to wait until your ban expires. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mbczadgjliqetup|contribs]]) 13:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
::'''STOP discussing.''' I will wait until some time between February and March. --[[Special:Contributions/103.155.246.47|103.155.246.47]] 13:12, 24 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion requests ==<br />
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Thanks for the deletion requests of the inadequate resolution/custom graphics files. Also, can any admin please delete one of the pages that are created by blocked users? Thanks. <br />
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* [[User:NoobSheaExperience/Demo Image Gallery|User:NoobSheaExperience/Demo Image Gallery]] (page created by a blocked user) <br />
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* [[User:NoobSheaExperience|User:NoobSheaExperience]] (empty page (also page created by a blocked user))<br />
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* [[User:NoobSheaExperience/User|User:NoobSheaExperience/User]] (empty page (also page created by a blocked user))<br />
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* [[User:BillyHatcher2012]] (page created by a blocked user) <br />
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* [[User:Microsoft Windows XP]] (empty page (also page created by a blocked user))<br />
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* [[User:Windows 2005]] (page created by a blocked user) <br />
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[[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam (will be renamed to Uncle Captain on May 16)]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 02:08, 30 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree, the personal user pages created by users whose got blocked forever should be deleted. Actually this should include their talk pages aswell. These pages do not serve any purpose rather than taking up space. I'm pretty sure BetaWiki was not created for free and the owners pay large bills. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 21:13, 04 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::@Mbczadgjliqetup Yes, the blocked user pages must be deleted, and how about instead, the admins will protect the following user's talk pages indefinitely to be only edited/moved by administrators (because there is no need to edit a blocked user's talk page):<br />
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::* [[User_talk:NoobSheaExperience|User_talk:NoobSheaExperience]]<br />
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::* [[User_talk:BillyHatcher2012|User_talk:BillyHatcher2012]]<br />
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::* [[User_talk:Microsoft Windows XP|User_talk:Microsoft Windows XP]]<br />
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::* [[User_talk:LangsamSpieler]]<br />
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::* [[User_talk:Windows 2005]]<br />
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::* [[User_talk:MCpillager]]<br />
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::* [[User_talk:Rain Ocampo]]<br />
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::[[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam (will be renamed to Uncle Captain on May 16)]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 21:42, 3 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::It would be actually good if admins will protect these talk pages. But I still can't see a reason why we should keep the talk pages of indefinitely blocked users. Also I think this should apply to talk pages of IP users (no matter if these accounts got blocked indefinitely or not) aswell. Because IPs change regularly. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 16:31, 5 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::*[[User_talk:94.123.158.219]]<br />
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== Template idea for the main page ==<br />
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You guys should make a "on this day, these versions were compiled..." sort of thing<br />
And my idea is like this:<br />
On this day, these versions were compiled:<br />
1984 - Windows 1.0 DR5<br />
or something like that<br />
[[User:RealOrFake|RealOrFake]] ([[User talk:RealOrFake|talk]]) 00:45, 13 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::It could be automated I guess but I don't see what practical or useful purpose this would serve? [[User:Starfrost|Starfrost]] ([[User talk:Starfrost|talk]]) 01:02, 13 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Name Change Request ==<br />
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Please change my username to ShokaKurumi, thank you.<br />
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Please change my user name to ShokaKurumi, thank you. --[[User:BiAnMiXIang|BiAnMiXIang]] ([[User talk:BiAnMiXIang|talk]]) 03:31, 15 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Rename my account ==<br />
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=== First attempt ===<br />
I do not want to use my real name on betawiki anymore, since its already in the User page. Can you rename it to CafeGurrier66? (Ilyes)<br />
:I think you have to wait until April to have your account renamed. [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam (will be renamed to Uncle Captain on May 16)]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 01:14, 25 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Unblock a user ==<br />
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Hello, the block made to [[User:78.180.0.0/16|78.180.x.x]] is spreading like a virus, and it's annoying. Please unblock this user. I won't do vandalism at all. {{unsigned|BetaLover}}<br />
:sus --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 17:19, 5 March 2022 (UTC)<br />
::When the Ryuzaki is sus {{unsigned|BetaLover}}<br />
:Why should they? They got blocked for a valid reason, that being vandalism. They'll have to wait for their block to expire. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 11:34, 6 March 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Administrator request ==<br />
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Can I please be a administrator? Since I was a admin in DevelopmentWiki, I want you to request to be a administrator. --[[User:VirtualBox10074|VirtualBox10074]] ([[User talk:VirtualBox10074|talk]]) 07:13, 7 March 2022 (UTC)<br />
:no --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:20, 7 March 2022 (UTC)<br />
::@VirtualBox10074 Also, you are already blocked. [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam (will be renamed to Uncle Captain on 16 May 2022)]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 02:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== I made my first page! ==<br />
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I made my first page, [[WoW64]]. Do you think it's good?<br />
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[[User:RealOrFake|RealOrFake]] ([[User talk:RealOrFake|talk]]) 20:32, 8 March 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Why did you post this here? [[Special:Contributions/90.155.76.234|90.155.76.234]] 22:05, 9 March 2022 (UTC)</div>90.155.76.234https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=BetaWiki:Articles_for_deletion&diff=196278BetaWiki:Articles for deletion2022-02-26T21:20:35Z<p>90.155.76.234: /* Oppose */</p>
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== [[Windows 10X build 20280]] ==<br />
This page was originally put up as a prod but was removed and had been changed to an AfD discussion. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:18, 25 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Not sure what's wrong with the page in the first place? --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 17:53, 25 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Only source for the build's existence seems to be one tweet by Zac Bowden [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 17:55, 25 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
#[[User:Norman|MikeShinoda2001 (Norman)]] 17:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
#I agree (Ilyes) 24 February 2022<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
# I'm certain these builds do exist out there. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 16:37, 26 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
# I think builds mentioned by one reliable source should count as unconfirmed. [[User:Orangera1n|Orangera1n]] ([[User Talk:Orangera1n|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Orangera1n|contribs]]) 01:03, 5 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
# Zac's a reliable source, leave it up as unconfirmed. [[User:EggplanteseRepublic|EggplanteseRepublic]] ([[User talk:EggplanteseRepublic|talk]]) 07:31, 10 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Windows 8 build [[Windows_8_build_7992_(fbl_srv_wdacxml)|7992 (fbl_srv_wdacxml) ]] and [[Windows_8_build_7994|7994]]==<br />
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The builds only discloses one screenshot.The wallpaper is the same as before build 7989.I think it was changed by build 7978.[[User:Hanhan188|Hanhan188]]([[User talk:Hanhan188|talk]]) 8:09,13 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
=== Support ===<br />
#This wallpaper is removed in build 7989. That build along with 7994 are fake if the wallpaper is not a custom wallpaper that is set by user manually. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|Mbczadgjliqetup]] ([[User talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 17:04, 13 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#One screenshot cannot say anything. Sources from BetaWorld should be carefully treated.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 11:44, 17 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 11:52, 17 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#I agree since the old wallpaper means that this is a fake build. (Ilyes)<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
#Can't Windows system customize wallpaper? And although it is impossible to know the authenticity of this screenshot, why is it defined as a fake or modified? [[User:DomesticConsumer|Chrmmice]] ([[User talk:DomesticConsumer|talk]]) 13:52, 13 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Windows Longhorn build 4020 (idx02.030430-2218)]] ==<br />
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This build is not notable for not having any screenshots, reference or something. So this page should be deleted. {{Unsigned|94.121.86.160}}<br />
:Grabberslasher has been known for having direct contacts with MS since at least 2004, and he likely obtained this mislabeled build though the official labs. It could be a similar case to that [[Windows Vista build 6001.16628|6001.16628 DVD]] where the wrong build string was printed on the disc (or ISO image) he obtained. As far as references go, Grabberslasher has been a reliable source of information for builds over the years. So in that regard, it does hold some weight in its credibility. --[[User:Blue Horizon|Blue Horizon]] ([[User talk:Blue Horizon|talk]]) 00:15, 19 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
#Yeah, this is just the wrong label for the already leaked 4020 build. This was proven almost 2 years ago... I suppose we don't need this article. [[User:Captainlinux8880|Captainlinux8880]] ([[User talk:Captainlinux8880|talk]]) 22:07, 5 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Well see, that's another problem; you keep saying it was already debunked in the past, yet provide no source or actual context to go alongside it. I've thoroughly checked that build string online prior to the article's creation, and came up empty. I *did* find that BetaArchive Wiki used this build string mistakenly for their screenshot descriptions, though that's not really proof in of itself. So if you could provide any source for your claim, that would be night and day compared to what I'm seeing now. --[[User:Blue Horizon|Blue Horizon]] ([[User talk:Blue Horizon|talk]]) 08:11, 6 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Here, this is mislabeled file: https://archive.org/details/6.0.4020.idx02.030430-2218<br />
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Install it. And you make sure it's not 030430-2218. This 030507-1155, which we already have. [[User:Captainlinux8880|Captainlinux8880]] ([[User talk:Captainlinux8880|talk]]) 16:57, 17 December 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I think the uploader just didn't know any better and copy pasted the build string from Grabberslasher's release thread, even though the directory name retains the string of the actual build. Even so, this in itself doesn't confirm that the aforementioned build string is invalid. Just the fact the build string was brought up by someone who had close contacts with people from Microsoft labs already has more notability than some out of context and unconfirmed screenshots from old (and defunct) websites. --[[User:Blue Horizon|Blue Horizon]] ([[User talk:Blue Horizon|talk]]) 10:03, 18 December 2021 (UTC)<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
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== [[Windows 1.0 Final Beta Release]] ==<br />
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This page has been around for a while, and from looking at the screenshots, anyone with prior knowledge is able to quickly spot inconsistencies with them. Plus, there aren't any other sources attached to who created the screenshots, nor any results online from doing reverse image searching. With that in mind, I am in favor for its deletion. --[[User:Blue Horizon|Blue Horizon]] ([[User talk:Blue Horizon|talk]]) 18:22, 2 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
#[[User:MikeShinoda2001|MikeShinoda2001]] ([[User talk:MikeShinoda2001|talk]]) 18:24, 2 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#This article should either be deleted or moved to the Hall of Shame. [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 18:56, 26 December 2021 (UTC)<br />
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#[[User:Overdoze|Overdoze]] ([[User talk:Overdoze|talk]]) 12:20, 14 November 2021 (UTC): This is one of the older fakes I believe are worth preserving for historical reasons.<br />
:If it must be kept, it should likely go into the Hall of Shame category for future reference. Just having screenshots of a fake build can easily be disputed by someone who does hard research. The whole point of these lists is to keep the garbage out once general consensus of these builds reaches full verification. --[[User:Blue Horizon|Blue Horizon]] ([[User talk:Blue Horizon|talk]]) 23:49, 14 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Boa|Boa]] ([[User talk:Boa|talk]]) 20:42, 26 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
#it should stay.[[Special:Contributions/90.155.76.234|90.155.76.234]] 21:20, 26 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Windows Longhorn build 4006]] ==<br />
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the build page is not a notable unconfirmed build to be featured in the wiki, the only source is from a dead website which has no archived pages of the claimed build except for the screenshot and a mention of it existing. there isn't a lot of info about this build or anything remarkable about it. {{Unsigned|SomeOrdinaryGuy}}<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
#If the screenshot is fake, it certainly counts as being a notable fake as the screenshot is contemporary to pre-reset Longhorn development. That said, the public upload of 4005 didn't instantly prove it fake due to buildtag (in fact the buildtag looks plausible, and that would be the obvious place that would disprove a screenshot of this era); so in my opinion it should stay as unconfirmed. [[Special:Contributions/89.243.142.119|89.243.142.119]] 21:10, 26 December 2021 (UTC)<br />
#We shouldn't delete this page, even though there's no information at all from this build, we should still keep it, if we delete it and it never leaks in the future, then the tiny bit of information we had of this build will be gone. This build will only be known by its build tag (if the page gets deleted), and nothing else. --[[User:AClear|AClear]] ([[User talk:AClear|talk]]) 8:09, 27 December 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Windows 11 build 25054 (rs_fun)]] and [[Windows 11 build 25054 (rs_prerelease)]] ==<br />
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Articles deleted. - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 15:24, 18 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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None of these pages are notable as the only source to back these up is a single tweet, which is clearly not a proper source according to the [[BetaWiki:Guidelines|guidelines]]. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 12:17, 12 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
# Per myself. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 12:19, 12 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
# Agreed. [[User:SeregaWin555|SeregaWin555]] ([[User talk:SeregaWin555|talk]]) 12:26, 12 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:DomesticConsumer|Chrmmice]] ([[User talk:DomesticConsumer|talk]]) 13:03, 12 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
# [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|I won't use this username anymore. I'm going to change it to "XPSrv" on June 4th 2022]] ([[User talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 16:25, 12 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
# While they are real, guidelines have to be kept to. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:20, 12 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
# True, twitter isn't a reliable source. [[User:RealOrFake|RealOrFake]] ([[User talk:RealOrFake|talk]]) 21:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
# I think the builds are real. Let's see how the development goes next week, if no Copper builds come out in a while, I may support the deletion for now. ([[User:AlfCraft07]]) 18:14, 12 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::Just because you think these builds are real doesn't mean they deserve pages. Anyone could fake a build and say that they think that they're real, not saying that these builds in particular are fake. Plus, these builds are still not going to be notable when Copper builds start being released by Microsoft, mainly because 25054 is highly unlikely to be the build that gets released, especially the one from the <code>rs_fun</code> branch. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 17:20, 12 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Agreed, nobody disputes the builds' legitimacy but rather the importance. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 11:14, 13 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::I can found windows 11 build 25054 (rs_prerelease) news web. [[User:2001:F90:40C0:8A97:2C3C:F3E3:D89E:9CFA|2001:F90:40C0:8A97:2C3C:F3E3:D89E:9CFA]] ([[User talk:2001:F90:40C0:8A97:2C3C:F3E3:D89E:9CFA|talk]]) 11:02, 13 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::All news articles on 25054 got their information from the tweet, so either way, the information is still coming from said tweet. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 12:27, 13 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Blue screen of death]] ==<br />
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Reason: The system crash is not a Windows component and Betawiki is not a good source for crashes {{unsigned|Ilyes}}<br />
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# I completely disagree here. A BSOD is very much a core part of Windows and is clearly component of the OS. Also, BSOD article is well written and shows the history of the crash screen so to me that invalidates the "low quality aricle" part of your statement. Side note, you can find BSOD codes in <code>C:\Windows\System32\ntoskrnl.exe</code> [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 15:30, 22 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
# I completely agree with Xeno, we are a Windows-Centered community after all. BSOD's also change over time throughout the betas. [[User:Orangera1n|Orangera1n]] ([[User Talk:Orangera1n|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Orangera1n|contribs]]) <br />
# I don't see any reason to delete this page. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|I won't use this username anymore. I'm going to change it to "XPSrv" on June 4th 2022]] ([[User talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
# It's a part of the user interface, as much as the Start menu or the taskbar is. Not quite sure what makes it a low quality article either. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 17:38, 22 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
# It's actually a core component of the Windows kernel. Also, the article is already highly descriptive and covers as much as it can. Do not use delete requests to delete pages you don't like. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 20:59, 22 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
# I completely agree with BF10. We need this page because it is a core component of the Windows kernel. [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam (will be renamed to Uncle Captain on May 16)]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 02:37, 23 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== [[winver]] ==<br />
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Kept. - [[User:Ilyes|Ilyes]] ([[User_talk:Ilyes|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ilyes|Contributions]]) 26 February 2022.<br />
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This article may be deleted like Boot Screen.<br />
The Version reporter is now out of date.<br />
This article may be mobed to Wikipedia even if there are winvers from Windows NT betas. {{unsigned|Ilyes}}<br />
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# I completely disagree here. The article is high-quality, a Windows component that is displayed on most articles, and it has useful information and facts. [[User:Orangera1n|Orangera1n]] ([[User Talk:Orangera1n|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Orangera1n|contribs]]) 15:42, 22 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
# So by your logic, this also means that most build pages aren't high quality either. Just because it consists mostly of a gallery doesn't mean it's low quality. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 15:49, 22 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
# I don't see any reason to delete this page. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|I won't use this username anymore. I'm going to change it to "XPSrv" on June 4th 2022]] ([[User talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
# Might be worth actually considering if a page is worthy of an AfD... Especially since the page tells you how to invoke it <code>rundll32 shell32,ShellAbout</code> Idk about you but shell32 is a part of Windows. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 16:12, 22 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
# Then improve it. The deletion policy is quite clear about this: "Deletion should be always used as a last resort option. If editing can improve the page, then this is the preferred course of action as opposed to deleting the page." --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 17:39, 22 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
# See my comment on the BSOD proposal; nope, we will not delete pages just because you don't like them. Nuff said. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 20:59, 22 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Addition of Xbox development pages ==<br />
I know this sounds silly, but Xbox is a part of Microsoft and I just feel like we should add Xbox into our software family, What do you guys think? <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi|Beta Kiwi]] 02:34, 4 January 2022 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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I agree, except I know basically nothing about Xbox, but I still think it should be added. [[User:Boa|Boa]] ([[User talk:Boa|talk]]) 20:04, 10 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== What is the first Windows 8 build to remove the classic built-in Windows Games? ==<br />
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Remember when older versions of Windows before Windows 8 had built-in games that you could play like Solitaire, Minesweeper, FreeCell, 3D Pinball, Purble Place etc.? When Microsoft was developing Windows 8, the company wanted to incorporate an app store into the operating system to stay competitive in the drastically changed technology space. However, Microsoft decided to completely scrap the classic versions of these games and instead create Modern versions of these games that are bloated with ads. The classic games may have been removed during Windows 8's development at some point.<br />
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What build of Windows 8 completely removed the classic Windows Games? Anyone know what build it was?<br />
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WindowsGuy2021 1:43, 7 January 2022<br />
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:The first available build that removed games is 8102 (both [[Windows 8 build 8102.0 (winmain_win8m3_eeap)|EEAP]] and [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|non-EEAP]]). [[User:WindowsServerFan]] ([[User talk:WindowsServerFan|talk]]) 20:09, 7 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== User sub-pages ==<br />
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Anyone knows how to create the User sub-pageS? {{Unsigned|Egor819795}}<br />
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:https://lmgtfy.app/?q=user+namespace+mediawiki --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 15:43, 10 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Do you mean like [[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|This?]] <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi|Beta Kiwi]] 00:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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== Different Wiki themes when on specific pages ==<br />
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Ok quick idea<br />
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what if when we gone on a random page (Ima say [[Windows XP]] because it is a well known one), the theme would change<br />
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and what I mean by this? You know when you launch the wiki your greeted by a light blue area, which resembles the watercolor theme fron whistler builds in 2000-2001<br />
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But, what if these would change once you gone on a specific page<br />
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Such as Windows 7 having lets say maybe a whistler theme but under an areo background, Windows XP would contain a luna-colored area as well as (maybe) one of the animated windows flags in the corner (like xp had), Windows 95 builds would have a gray area due to classic theme not being updated yet<br />
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tbh this idea is really stupid but i wanna hear your guyses ideas too.<br />
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ty for reading this<br />
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-<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi|Beta Kiwi]] 00:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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== Another silly idea ==<br />
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ok <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ffffff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #fafafa, 0 0 20px #fafafa;">'''we should add easter eggs (small secrets) in main menu'''</span> -Beta (my signature is still being loaded) 02:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Boot screens #2 ==<br />
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Should we remove boot screens and replace them with animated ones? Because no one decided to awnser the first one, I decided to do a part two, what do you guys think? -[[File:StartbuttonLogo 95-ME.png|23px]] [[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff; background: silver; padding: 2px 24px; border: silver 2px outset">Beta Kiwi</span>]] <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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Edit: I meant that no one decided to support/oppose it<br />
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===Support===<br />
# Go to [[User:Beta Kiwi/Whistler2428]] to See a preview of it [[File:StartbuttonLogo 95-ME.png|23px]] [[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff; background: silver; padding: 2px 24px; border: silver 2px outset">Beta Kiwi</span>]] <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)'''</span><br />
# Sounds cool, maybe it could be a setting? [[User:Boa|Boa]] ([[User talk:Boa|talk]]) 15:39, 16 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
::This is not going to be a thing since the user who posted this got blocked and most of users are opposing this idea. But something might change when supporters exceed opposers and Admins change their mind. [[User:Mbczadgjliqetup|I won't use this username anymore. I'm going to change it to "XPSrv" on June 4th 2022]] ([[User talk:Mbczadgjliqetup|talk]]) 16:25, 12 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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#A "no" is a "no". --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 23:37, 12 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
#😸 Hi. I'm [[User:SamCool939|SamCool939]]. ([[User talk:SamCool939|💬]] | [[Special:Contributions/SamCool939|👨💻]]) 23:41, 12 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
# <code>no one decided to awnser the first one</code> Check again, several people made comments on your first Boot Screens post. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 23:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
# Why? [[User:Kendrenogen|Kendrenogen]] ([[User talk:Kendrenogen|talk]]) 23:47, 12 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
#Tons of people responded to your last post, so you stating otherwise is a complete lie. Anyway, there's no reason to replace the boot screens with animated ones as the latter is enough to get the point across. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 23:50, 12 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::Just because people didn't put their responses in the corresponding support/oppose sections does not mean they didn't support/oppose it. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 09:54, 13 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== The Purge™️ #2: Purge List ==<br />
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As we plan to conclude the [[BetaWiki:Community_portal#The_Purge.E2.84.A2.EF.B8.8F_.232|purge proposal]] amended earlier, I have provided a '''[[User:BF10/Sandbox/2|list of pages that will be purged]]''' in one of my sandboxes. Do note that not every page listed on there might be deleted; I just listed those that has a high chance of getting deleted. Alongside, pages that aren't listed here but are deemed non-notable might be subject to deletion once the purge starts. ''If you have anything important you want to keep, you better back them up to a sandbox or external source.'' <br />
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'''EDIT:''' It is unknown when the purge can occur until a bureaucrat gives a finalized time for it but I prefer if there is at least a one week grace period since the posting of this message for other users to get everything backed up before purging. At latest, I would expect it to be done in February or early March.<br />
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[[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:19, 15 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:This is just myself being curious, but why haven't you chosen to add the <code>Sites</code> category to your list? [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 16:14, 21 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
::They do have notability in terms of important websites towards preserving beta-related software. Only the more important ones were kept (UX.Unleaked since most LH build screenshots came there and BetaArchive because it preserves most of the betas documented here). I doubt any new website pages could possibly be notable enough to be added here. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::So your basically deleting the entire wiki besides pc? [[User:KFC|KFC]] ([[User talk:KFC|talk]]) 01:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::: This again, do you all seriously want risk this wiki? And some corrections, FreeBSD, GhostBSD, NomadBSD and OpenIndiana aren't Linux Distros, yes, it's the same family, but they aren't Linux, OpenIndiana is SVR4 and the rest is BSD family. --[[User:Vannura|Vannura]] ([[User talk:Vannura|talk]]) 21:10, 3 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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I'm just wondering, when does this page get put into the next archive? [[User:Boa|Boa]] ([[User talk:Boa|talk]]) 14:47, 29 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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I don't think they will do it for some time as some people are replying to some other topics. [[User:TechActivate 781|TechActivate 781]] ([[User Talk: TechActivate 781|talk]]) 17:06 29 Januray 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Okay, thanks! [[User:Boa|Boa]] ([[User talk:Boa|talk]]) 21:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== How can I become an autocomfirmed user? ==<br />
Hello! I am wondering how I could become an autoconfirmed user! I have some images for Windows Storage Server 2003 R2 and I am unable to upload screenshots at [[Special:Upload|The Upload Page]], Thanks -[[User:Windows2022|Windows2022]] ([[User talk:Windows2022|talk]]) 23:45, 3 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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You need 10 edits and to be registered for 3 days I think [[Special:Contributions/82.219.7.150|82.219.7.150]] 09:45, 4 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Curious about macOS Sierra 16A271f ==<br />
Hi, New contributer here. I couldn't find and gather enough evidences to conclude [[MacOS Sierra#Beta|macOS Sierra 16A271f build]] was actually rolled out to public(developers). Googling the build number only returns two relevant results, one of them being [https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/196103 some sketchy Geekbench result], which for all I know could be for internal testing at Apple, and another one being here at BetaWiki (which only fuels my suspicion). This is quite an anomaly even considering it's a minor hotfix to a beta build, since most (if not all) of the time when you google the build number returns at least one forum thread from somewhere which references it in some form. I thought I might have to discuss it here before I commit to erasing the entry.<br />
[[User:LPFchan|LPFchan]] ([[User talk:LPFchan|talk]]) 16:53, 7 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== What is going on with The Windows Insider Dev Channel? ==<br />
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It has been over 2 weeks since Microsoft released an new build in the Dev channel. (The latest build is Windows 11 build 22543 as of this writing.)<br />
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Last week, I remember Microsoft announcing that there would not be an new build for that week because the build that they were apparently testing did not meet quality standards so, it was not eligible to be released in the Dev channel.<br />
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It has been a week since Microsoft announced the changes that were coming to the Insider Program this year and there has not been any updates on The Windows Insider Blog as of this writing.<br />
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I have heard that Microsoft will be preparing to sign off the Nickel (22H1) Semester in the next few weeks and next month, Insiders will start receiving builds from the Copper (22H2) Semester.<br />
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I am not an participant in The Windows Insider Program but, I do check this website periodically every Wednesday and Thursday to see if the latest builds have been documented which I have been doing since I first discovered this website in early 2021.<br />
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Hopefully, Microsoft will release a new dev build next week if it does meet the quality standards to be released to Insiders. It is likely that it is a new build of Nickel since we have a few weeks of February left.<br />
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So, we may receive 2 more Nickel builds within the next 2 weeks since Microsoft will not sign off the 22H1 Semester until early March.<br />
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[[User:WindowsGuy2021|WindowsGuy2021]] 1:51, 10 February 2022<br />
:Basically they're doing a semester transition (Nickel > Copper) that's causing a hefty amount of issues, they did just do a huge build skip from 22554 to 25054, after all. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 19:59, 10 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, I may have heard something about that somewhere. When were builds 22554 and 25054 complied? Is this the first time that issues occurred as they started a semester transition? Did they have that problem when they transitioned the Dev channel from Cobalt to Nickel in September 2021? [[User:WindowsGuy2021|WindowsGuy2021]] 2:10, 10 February 2022<br />
:::22554 was compiled on 7 February 2022 and 25054 was compiled a day later on 8 February 2022. Not sure if these issues occured when they transitioned from Cobalt to Nickel, or any other transitions for that matter. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 20:20, 10 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Finally, Microsoft has released a new build of Windows 11 in the Dev Channel! Turns out it is indeed an Nickel build. Microsoft has also released an new build of Windows Server as well. It is apparently the first build of Windows Server based on Copper.<br />
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The new build has many changes which could explain why it took 2 weeks to release this build to Insiders in the first place. It even has an change where the Pro SKU requires an Internet Connection during OOBE. (Although, it is possible to bypass the internet connection requirement using an workaround.)<br />
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I think that Nickel (22H1) is getting very close to being signed off and we will start receiving client builds based on Copper (22H2) in early March 2022.[[User:WindowsGuy2021|WindowsGuy2021]] 2:46, 16 February 2022<br />
== Regarding Windows 11 build 25054 ==<br />
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Aren't tweets regarded as not a good source for build tags? If so, then why do pages for Windows 11 build 25054, both <code>[[Windows 11 build 25054 (rs prerelease)|rs_prerelease]]</code> and <code>[[Windows 11 build 25054 (rs fun)|rs_fun]]</code>, exist when the source for both of them isn't a proper source? [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 10:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
:Seems like nobody's going along with this, added prods to both pages. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 18:14, 11 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark theme ==<br />
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I would like to have dark theme in Betawiki because when I use my computer for more than 2 hours, Light theme becames bad. {{Unsigned|Ilyes}}<br />
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:What would it even look like? (I use dark mode for most things, but the normal theme is fine for me) [[Special:Contributions/90.155.76.234|90.155.76.234]] 21:19, 11 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
:: I think a dark blue on background with some black-to-cyan (a light black i think?) on foreground (with a White Text, obvious), but is just my opinion. --[[User:Vannura|Vannura]] ([[User talk:Vannura|talk]]) 22:36, 11 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
::: That'd be cool, I hope that gets added. [[User:Boa|Boa]] ([[User talk:Boa|talk]]) 19:27, 14 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing non-preinstalled game articles ==<br />
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To simplify down the earlier purge to remove less relevant material, I believe that we should remove most of the game articles that are not pre-installed in the operating systems from this wiki. As mentioned in the previous proposal, they aren't notably edited as often as most of the operating system pages (most of the articles in the category hasn't been edited in years and have deletion proposals running for them) and the scope is too wide to allow all games here. As a result, we should reconsider that most of the game articles aren't notable enough to be kept here compared to more suited wikis such as The Cutting Room Floor and Hidden Palace. As mentioned earlier by Orbitron on the original proposal:<br />
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<blockquote>The game articles (that aren't Windows games) are relatively useless as well, great example being the legendary Create with Garfield article, which has since been deleted, as there's Wikipedia pages for many of these already, and [https://tcrf.net The Cutting Room Floor] and [https://hiddenpalace.org The Hidden Palace] exist for this wiki's exact scope, but obviously for games instead.</blockquote><br />
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No other operating system or application pages will be removed for right now; only most of the non-preinstalled game articles will be removed. This would mean everything in [[:Category:Games]] except for [[Full Tilt! Pinball]] (included in Windows 95 Plus!/98 to XP) and [[Reversi]] (two versions included from Windows 1.0 to XP). Articles such as Minesweeper, Solitaire, and Chess (both the Windows Vista/7 and Mac OS X versions) would also be allowed as long they are based upon the pre-installed versions included in builds and not third-party games. Everything else can otherwise be ported to the aforementioned two wikis. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 15:47, 23 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
# As already mentioned, there are far better wikis out there for game related content. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 15:51, 23 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
#This makes sense as this site is more geared towards operating systems and their betas. [[User:WaterMelon|WaterMelon]] ([[User talk:WaterMelon|talk]]) 00:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Boa|Boa]] ([[User talk:Boa|talk]]) 07:17, 24 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
#I fully agree. [[Special:Contributions/90.155.76.234|90.155.76.234]] 21:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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=== Oppose ===</div>90.155.76.234https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Internet_Explorer_5&diff=194869Internet Explorer 52022-02-16T20:27:42Z<p>90.155.76.234: made sense</p>
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<div>{{ Infobox Internet Explorer<br />
|version = 5.0<br />
|image = InternetExplorer5BetaWiki.png<br />
|releasedate = 1999-03-18<br />
|about = InternetExplorer5About.png<br />
}}<br />
'''Internet Explorer 5''' was released in 1999 and was included with [[Windows 98#Second Edition|Windows 98 Second Edition]] and [[Windows 2000]]. It was also available for [[Windows 3.1x]], [[Windows NT 3.51]], [[Windows NT 4.0]], [[Windows 95]] and [[Windows 98]]. Users of Windows NT 3.51 must use the 16-bit version, which was the last 16-bit version of Internet Explorer and thus also the last one to work on [[Windows 3.1x|Windows 3.1]].<br />
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A version of IE 5 was ported to Solaris and HP-UX through the use of MainWin's xDe environment and uses the Trident engine. IE for Mac OS uses a different engine called Tasman which is also used in Office:mac, Entourage, and MSN for Mac OS X.<br />
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An updated version, 5.01 was released at the end of 1999 and is pre-installed in Windows 2000. However, it still identifies itself as 5.00. The difference with 5.00 is the image used in the About box.<br />
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==List of known builds==<br />
{{builds legend}}<br />
===Included in Windows 98 SE/2000/Office 2000 pre-release builds===<br />
====5.0====<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 0429.0|5.00.0429.0}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 0518.0|5.00.0518.0}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 0618.0|5.00.0618.0}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 0707.0100|5.00.0700.0100}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 0708.700|5.00.0708.700}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 0708.1200|5.00.0708.1200}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 0809.2300|5.00.0809.2300}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 0910.1200|5.00.0910.1200}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 0910.1302|5.00.0910.1302}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 0910.1309|5.00.0910.1309}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 1011.2000|5.00.1011.2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 1012.1004|5.00.1012.1004}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 2013.0400|5.00.2013.0400}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 2013.0701|5.00.2013.0701}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 2013.1301|5.00.2013.1301}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 2013.2101|5.00.2013.2101}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 2014.0207|5.00.2014.0207}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 2014.0212|5.00.2014.0212}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 2115.200|5.00.2115.200}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 2116.100|5.00.2116.100}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 2516.1900|5.00.2516.1900}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 2614.3300|5.00.2614.3300}}<br />
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====5.01====<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.01 build 2919.800|5.00.2919.800}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.01 build 2919.3800|5.00.2919.3800}}<br />
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===RTM/Updates===<br />
====5.0====<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 0913.2200|5.00.0913.2200 (Windows 3.1x/NT 3.x)}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 2314.1003|5.00.2314.1003 (Windows 95/NT 4.0/98)}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.0 build 2614.3500|5.00.2614.3500 (Windows 98 SE)}}<br />
====5.01====<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.01 build 2919.6307|5.00.2919.6307 (Windows 95/NT 4.0/98 (SE))}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.01 build 2919.8300|5.00.2919.8300 (Neptune)}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.01 build 2920.0000|5.00.2920.0000 (Windows 2000)}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.01 build 3103.1000|5.00.3103.1000 (Windows 2000 SP1)}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.01 build 3314.2101|5.00.3314.2101 (Windows 95/NT 4.0/98 (SE)/2000, SP2)}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.01 build 3315.1000|5.00.3315.1000 (Windows 2000 SP2)}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.01 build 3502.1000|5.00.3508.1000 (Windows 2000 SP3)}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.01 build 3700.1000|5.00.3700.1000 (Windows 2000 SP4)}}<br />
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====Other 5.x====<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.1.7|5.1.7 (Mac OS Classic)}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Internet Explorer 5.2.3|5.2.3 (Mac OS X)}}<br />
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== Gallery ==<br />
<gallery><br />
InternetExplorer5.png|Internet Explorer 5.01 running on [[Windows 2000]].<br />
</gallery><br />
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[[Category:Internet Explorer]]</div>90.155.76.234https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Windows_XP_build_2267_(idx01.000909-1503)&diff=194499Windows XP build 2267 (idx01.000909-1503)2022-02-13T22:37:39Z<p>90.155.76.234: removed dl link</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Windows build<br />
|build of = [[Windows XP]]<br />
|buildtag = 5.1.2267.idx01.000909-1503<br />
|arch = x86<br />
|image = WinXP2267Sep9Desktop.png<br />
|sku = Professional<br />
|winver = 2267sep9winver.png<br />
|compiled = 2000-09-09<br />
|timebomb = 2000-12-08<br />
}}<br />
'''Windows XP build 2267 (idx01.000909-1503)''' is a build of [[Windows XP]]. The Professional checked/debug edition of this build was originally released together with the retail/free build of its [[Windows XP build 2267 (idx01.000910-1316)|later recompile]] on 3 October 2000. However, it was then considered lost until it resurfaced in April 2020. This build features a new boot screen.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Whistler22672416Boot.png|Boot screen<br />
</gallery><br />
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==References==<br />
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[[Category:Windows XP builds]]</div>90.155.76.234https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=BetaWiki:Community_portal&diff=194316BetaWiki:Community portal2022-02-11T21:19:17Z<p>90.155.76.234: /* Dark theme */</p>
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== Addition of Xbox development pages ==<br />
I know this sounds silly, but Xbox is a part of Microsoft and I just feel like we should add Xbox into our software family, What do you guys think? <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi|Beta Kiwi]] 02:34, 4 January 2022 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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I agree, except I know basically nothing about Xbox, but I still think it should be added. [[User:Boa|Boa]] ([[User talk:Boa|talk]]) 20:04, 10 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== What is the first Windows 8 build to remove the classic built-in Windows Games? ==<br />
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Remember when older versions of Windows before Windows 8 had built-in games that you could play like Solitaire, Minesweeper, FreeCell, 3D Pinball, Purble Place etc.? When Microsoft was developing Windows 8, the company wanted to incorporate an app store into the operating system to stay competitive in the drastically changed technology space. However, Microsoft decided to completely scrap the classic versions of these games and instead create Modern versions of these games that are bloated with ads. The classic games may have been removed during Windows 8's development at some point.<br />
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What build of Windows 8 completely removed the classic Windows Games? Anyone know what build it was?<br />
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WindowsGuy2021 1:43, 7 January 2022<br />
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:The first available build that removed games is 8102 (both [[Windows 8 build 8102.0 (winmain_win8m3_eeap)|EEAP]] and [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|non-EEAP]]). [[User:WindowsServerFan]] ([[User talk:WindowsServerFan|talk]]) 20:09, 7 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== User sub-pages ==<br />
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Anyone knows how to create the User sub-pageS? {{Unsigned|Egor819795}}<br />
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:https://lmgtfy.app/?q=user+namespace+mediawiki --[[User:AhmadB|AhmadB]] ([[User talk:AhmadB|talk]]) 15:43, 10 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Do you mean like [[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|This?]] <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi|Beta Kiwi]] 00:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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== Different Wiki themes when on specific pages ==<br />
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Ok quick idea<br />
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what if when we gone on a random page (Ima say [[Windows XP]] because it is a well known one), the theme would change<br />
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and what I mean by this? You know when you launch the wiki your greeted by a light blue area, which resembles the watercolor theme fron whistler builds in 2000-2001<br />
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But, what if these would change once you gone on a specific page<br />
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Such as Windows 7 having lets say maybe a whistler theme but under an areo background, Windows XP would contain a luna-colored area as well as (maybe) one of the animated windows flags in the corner (like xp had), Windows 95 builds would have a gray area due to classic theme not being updated yet<br />
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tbh this idea is really stupid but i wanna hear your guyses ideas too.<br />
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ty for reading this<br />
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-<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi|Beta Kiwi]] 00:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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== Another silly idea ==<br />
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ok <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ffffff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #fafafa, 0 0 20px #fafafa;">'''we should add easter eggs (small secrets) in main menu'''</span> -Beta (my signature is still being loaded) 02:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Boot screens #2 ==<br />
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Should we remove boot screens and replace them with animated ones? Because no one decided to awnser the first one, I decided to do a part two, what do you guys think? -[[File:StartbuttonLogo 95-ME.png|23px]] [[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff; background: silver; padding: 2px 24px; border: silver 2px outset">Beta Kiwi</span>]] <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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Edit: I meant that no one decided to support/oppose it<br />
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===Support===<br />
# Go to [[User:Beta Kiwi/Whistler2428]] to See a preview of it [[File:StartbuttonLogo 95-ME.png|23px]] [[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff; background: silver; padding: 2px 24px; border: silver 2px outset">Beta Kiwi</span>]] <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)'''</span><br />
===Oppose===<br />
#A "no" is a "no". --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 23:37, 12 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
#😸 Hi. I'm [[User:SamCool939|SamCool939]]. ([[User talk:SamCool939|💬]] | [[Special:Contributions/SamCool939|👨💻]]) 23:41, 12 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
# <code>no one decided to awnser the first one</code> Check again, several people made comments on your first Boot Screens post. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 23:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
# Why? [[User:Kendrenogen|Kendrenogen]] ([[User talk:Kendrenogen|talk]]) 23:47, 12 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
#Tons of people responded to your last post, so you stating otherwise is a complete lie. Anyway, there's no reason to replace the boot screens with animated ones as the latter is enough to get the point across. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 23:50, 12 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::Just because people didn't put their responses in the corresponding support/oppose sections does not mean they didn't support/oppose it. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 09:54, 13 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== The Purge™️ #2: Purge List ==<br />
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As we plan to conclude the [[BetaWiki:Community_portal#The_Purge.E2.84.A2.EF.B8.8F_.232|purge proposal]] amended earlier, I have provided a '''[[User:BF10/Sandbox/2|list of pages that will be purged]]''' in one of my sandboxes. Do note that not every page listed on there might be deleted; I just listed those that has a high chance of getting deleted. Alongside, pages that aren't listed here but are deemed non-notable might be subject to deletion once the purge starts. ''If you have anything important you want to keep, you better back them up to a sandbox or external source.'' <br />
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'''EDIT:''' It is unknown when the purge can occur until a bureaucrat gives a finalized time for it but I prefer if there is at least a one week grace period since the posting of this message for other users to get everything backed up before purging. At latest, I would expect it to be done in February or early March.<br />
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[[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:19, 15 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:This is just myself being curious, but why haven't you chosen to add the <code>Sites</code> category to your list? [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 16:14, 21 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
::They do have notability in terms of important websites towards preserving beta-related software. Only the more important ones were kept (UX.Unleaked since most LH build screenshots came there and BetaArchive because it preserves most of the betas documented here). I doubt any new website pages could possibly be notable enough to be added here. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 16:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::So your basically deleting the entire wiki besides pc? [[User:KFC|KFC]] ([[User talk:KFC|talk]]) 01:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::: This again, do you all seriously want risk this wiki? And some corrections, FreeBSD, GhostBSD, NomadBSD and OpenIndiana aren't Linux Distros, yes, it's the same family, but they aren't Linux, OpenIndiana is SVR4 and the rest is BSD family. --[[User:Vannura|Vannura]] ([[User talk:Vannura|talk]]) 21:10, 3 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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I'm just wondering, when does this page get put into the next archive? [[User:Boa|Boa]] ([[User talk:Boa|talk]]) 14:47, 29 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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I don't think they will do it for some time as some people are replying to some other topics. [[User:TechActivate 781|TechActivate 781]] ([[User Talk: TechActivate 781|talk]]) 17:06 29 Januray 2021 (UTC)<br />
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Okay, thanks! [[User:Boa|Boa]] ([[User talk:Boa|talk]]) 21:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== How can I become an autocomfirmed user? ==<br />
Hello! I am wondering how I could become an autoconfirmed user! I have some images for Windows Storage Server 2003 R2 and I am unable to upload screenshots at [[Special:Upload|The Upload Page]], Thanks -[[User:Windows2022|Windows2022]] ([[User talk:Windows2022|talk]]) 23:45, 3 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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You need 10 edits and to be registered for 3 days I think [[Special:Contributions/82.219.7.150|82.219.7.150]] 09:45, 4 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Curious about macOS Sierra 16A271f ==<br />
Hi, New contributer here. I couldn't find and gather enough evidences to conclude [[MacOS Sierra#Beta|macOS Sierra 16A271f build]] was actually rolled out to public(developers). Googling the build number only returns two relevant results, one of them being [https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/196103 some sketchy Geekbench result], which for all I know could be for internal testing at Apple, and another one being here at BetaWiki (which only fuels my suspicion). This is quite an anomaly even considering it's a minor hotfix to a beta build, since most (if not all) of the time when you google the build number returns at least one forum thread from somewhere which references it in some form. I thought I might have to discuss it here before I commit to erasing the entry.<br />
[[User:LPFchan|LPFchan]] ([[User talk:LPFchan|talk]]) 16:53, 7 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== What is going on with The Windows Insider Dev Channel? ==<br />
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It has been over 2 weeks since Microsoft released an new build in the Dev channel. (The latest build is Windows 11 build 22543 as of this writing.)<br />
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Last week, I remember Microsoft announcing that there would not be an new build for that week because the build that they were apparently testing did not meet quality standards so, it was not eligible to be released in the Dev channel.<br />
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It has been a week since Microsoft announced the changes that were coming to the Insider Program this year and there has not been any updates on The Windows Insider Blog as of this writing.<br />
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I have heard that Microsoft will be preparing to sign off the Nickel (22H1) Semester in the next few weeks and next month, Insiders will start receiving builds from the Copper (22H2) Semester.<br />
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I am not an participant in The Windows Insider Program but, I do check this website periodically every Wednesday and Thursday to see if the latest builds have been documented which I have been doing since I first discovered this website in early 2021.<br />
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Hopefully, Microsoft will release a new dev build next week if it does meet the quality standards to be released to Insiders. It is likely that it is a new build of Nickel since we have a few weeks of February left.<br />
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So, we may receive 2 more Nickel builds within the next 2 weeks since Microsoft will not sign off the 22H1 Semester until early March.<br />
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[[User:WindowsGuy2021|WindowsGuy2021]] 1:51, 10 February 2022<br />
:Basically they're doing a semester transition (Nickel > Copper) that's causing a hefty amount of issues, they did just do a huge build skip from 22554 to 25054, after all. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 19:59, 10 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, I may have heard something about that somewhere. When were builds 22554 and 25054 complied? Is this the first time that issues occurred as they started a semester transition? Did they have that problem when they transitioned the Dev channel from Cobalt to Nickel in September 2021? [[User:WindowsGuy2021|WindowsGuy2021]] 2:10, 10 February 2022<br />
:::22554 was compiled on 7 February 2022 and 25054 was compiled a day later on 8 February 2022. Not sure if these issues occured when they transitioned from Cobalt to Nickel, or any other transitions for that matter. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 20:20, 10 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Regarding Windows 11 build 25054 ==<br />
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Aren't tweets regarded as not a good source for build tags? If so, then why do pages for Windows 11 build 25054, both <code>[[Windows 11 build 25054 (rs prerelease)|rs_prerelease]]</code> and <code>[[Windows 11 build 25054 (rs fun)|rs_fun]]</code>, exist when the source for both of them isn't a proper source? [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 10:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
:Seems like nobody's going along with this, added prods to both pages. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 18:14, 11 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark theme ==<br />
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I would like to have dark theme in Betawiki because when I use my computer for more than 2 hours, Light theme becames bad.<br />
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:What would it even look like? (I use dark mode for most things, but the normal theme is fine for me) [[Special:Contributions/90.155.76.234|90.155.76.234]] 21:19, 11 February 2022 (UTC)</div>90.155.76.234https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Microsoft_WinPad_Preliminary_Development_Release&diff=186141Microsoft WinPad Preliminary Development Release2021-12-19T22:16:05Z<p>90.155.76.234: It makes sense now</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Windows build<br />
|buildtag = Preliminary Development Release<br />
|build of = [[Microsoft WinPad]]<br />
|image =WinPadPDK.png<br />
|arch = x86<br />
|compiled = 1993<br />
|winver=PDK.jpg}}<br />
'''Microsoft WinPad Preliminary Development Release''' is the earliest known build of [[Microsoft WinPad|WinPad]]. The PDK for this build was released in September 1993. It relies on [[Windows 3.1x]], however, it needs to be run independently in the DOS environment. It was shared on [[BetaArchive]] on 8 June 2020.<ref>https://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=451171#p451171</ref> The currently available copy is incomplete - disk 6, which contains the debug binaries, is missing.<br />
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== Bugs ==<br />
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* When WinPad exits while you're in the calendar app, you will recieve errors.<br />
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==Setup==<br />
====Requirements====<br />
{{Code|The following equipment is required:<br />
* Floppy disk configured as DRIVE A:.<br />
* Hard disk configured as DRIVE C:.<br />
* Color graphics card.<br />
* Mouse (Microsoft Mouse or PS/2)<br />
The following software is required:<br />
* MS-DOS 5.0-6.22<br />
* Windows 3.1x, Windows for Workgroups 3.1x or Windows for Pen Computing 1.0 to 1.0a}}<br />
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====Installation====<br />
#Run <code>setup.exe</code> from disk 1 in Windows mode and follow the on-screen instructions.<br />
#When prompted to insert disk 6, exit the installation.<br />
#Restart the computer.<br />
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==Start running==<br />
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*Run <code>C:\HHPDK\HHWIN\W.BAT</code> or <code>C:\HHPDK\HHWIN\WIN.COM /2</code> in DOS mode.<br />
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==References==<br />
<references /></div>90.155.76.234https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Windows_8.1&diff=182773Windows 8.12021-11-30T23:23:14Z<p>90.155.76.234: made distinction</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Windows<br />
|logo = Windows 8.1 logo and wordmark.svg<br />
|name = Windows 8.1<br />
|codename = Blue<br />
|family = nt<br />
|image = Windows81-RTM-Desktop.png<br />
|version = 6.3<br />
|arch = x86, x64, ARM32<br />
|latestbuild = [[Windows 8.1 build 9600.17415|6.3.9600.17415.winblue_r4.141028-1500 (Update 3)]]<br />
|releasedate = 2013-10-17<br />
|support = 2023-01-10<br />
|server = [[Windows Server 2012 R2]]<br />
|replaces = [[Windows 8]]<br />
|replaced-by = [[Windows 10]] ([[Windows 10 (original release)|original release]])<br />
}}<br />
'''Windows 8.1''' is an operating system by Microsoft. It is a free upgrade for existing [[Windows 8]] users. It replaced Windows 8 and was succeeded by [[Windows 10 (original release)|Windows 10]] on 29 July 2015. This is the first version of 64-bit Windows to drop support for processors without the CMPXCHG16b, PrefetchW and LAHF/SAHF instructions, as running on these processors will result in a [[bugcheck]] with error code 0x5D.<br />
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Although the operating system was marketed by Microsoft as an update for Windows 8, Microsoft's traditional support policy treats Windows 8.1 as a service pack.<ref>[https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/faq/windows#windows-8.1 Lifecycle FAQ - Windows | Microsoft Docs]</ref><br />
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It is the last release of Windows to have support for [[Windows Media Center]] as Microsoft discontinued support for the application with the release of [[Windows 10]]. It is also the last release of Windows to have the ability to create MS-DOS 8 startup disks, and thus to include MS-DOS in any form.<br />
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==Main changes==<br />
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=== RTM ===<br />
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*The [[Start menu|Start]] button was brought back (although it still leads to the Metro start screen).<br />
*Computer is renamed to This PC.<br />
*Clicking the [[File Explorer]] icon in the taskbar takes you to This PC instead of Libraries, unlike in [[Windows 7]] and 8.0. Additionally, Libraries is disabled by default, you can re-enable it by right-click on the navigation pane and choose "Show libraries" or "Show all folders".<br />
*User folders (Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Videos) added to This PC.<br />
*The Windows Experience Index has been removed. However, the command-line tool to determine the rating values (WinSAT) is still included.<br />
*New set of default wallpapers.<br />
*New customization options for the Start screen.<br />
*New Metro applications introduced, with many existing ones updated.<br />
*Redesigned PC Settings.<br />
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===Update 1 (on non-touch devices)===<br />
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*When you hover over the top of a Metro app, Windows shows a title bar with minimize and close buttons.<br />
*Right-clicking on the Start screen opens up a menu instead of the touch-oriented controls at the bottom.<br />
*The "Go to the desktop instead of Start when I sign in" feature in Taskbar and Navigation Properties first introduced in the original release is now enabled by default.<br />
*You can pin Metro apps to the taskbar.<br />
*A power button has been added next to the search button on the start screen.<br />
*Added dividers between apps in the "All Apps" view in Start.<br />
*SkyDrive is renamed to OneDrive (you can also get this in Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 RTM (without Update 1) by updating the SkyDrive app via the Store).<br />
*The default media player and photo viewer has been changed to [[Windows Media Player]] and [[Windows Photo Viewer]] respectively.<br />
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==List of known builds==<br />
{{builds legend}}<br />
===Milestone 1===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9299|9299.0.fbl_partner_out06.130117-1707}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9319|9319.0.winmain.130208-1820}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9347|9347.0.winmain_bluem1.130220-1500}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9364|9364.0.fbl_partner_out13.130315-2105}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9369|9369.0.fbl_partner_out14.130324-1300}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9370|9370.0.fbl_loc.130325-2000}}<br />
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===Milestone 2===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9374|9374.0.fbl_partner_out15.130329-2355}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9379|9379.0.fbl_partner_out16.130410-0711}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9385|9385.0.fbl_partner_out17.130415-2049}}<br />
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===Milestone Preview===<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9403|9403.fbl_srv2_partners.130509-2000}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9405|9405.0.fbl_partner_out20.130510-2330}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9410|9410.fbl_partner_out21.130522-1653}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9415 (winmain)|9415.0.winmain.130524-1723}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9415 (fbl_partner_out22)|9415.fbl_partner_out22.130525-0845}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9418|9418.0.winmain_bluemp.130530-1905}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9419|9419.0.fbl_partner_out23.130603-1634}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9421|9421.0.fbl_fun_lad_dev.130313-1212}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9428|9428.0}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9431|9431.0.winmain_bluemp.130615-1214 (Preview)}}<br />
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===Pre-RTM===<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9447|9447.fbl_partner_out21.130621-0700}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9448|9448.fbl_partner_out25.130621-2030}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9450|9450.0.winmain.130625-1705}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9456|9456.fbl_partner_out27.130703-2335}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9457|9457.0.fbl_loc.130708-1930}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9458|9458}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9460|9460.0.fbl_partner_out28.130712-1918}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9465|9465.0.fbl_partner_out29.130719-2136}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9466|9466.0.fbl_loc.130722-1930}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9468|9468.0.winblue_rtm.130725-1203}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9471|9471.fbl_partner_out30.130726-2004}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9477 (fbl_partner_out31)|9477.fbl_partner_out31.130803-0736}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9477 (fbl_partner_out21)|9477.fbl_partner_out21.130803-1037}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9478|9478.winblue_rtm.130804-1505}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9483|9483.0.winblue_rtm.130809-2020}}<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9490|9490}}<br />
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===RTM===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9600.16384|9600.16384.winblue_rtm.130821-1623}}<br />
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===Post-RTM===<br />
{{BLItem Confirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9600 (fbl uex drx)|9600.fbl_uex_drx.130826-1600}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9600.16384 (winblue_rtm_partner)|9600.16384.winblue_rtm_partner.130828-1900}}<br />
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===GA Update===<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9600.16422|9600.16422.winblue_gdr.131006-1505}}<br />
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====Update 1 pre-release builds====<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9600.16581|9600.16581.winblues14_gdr_lean.131222-2030}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9600.16593|9600.16593.winblue_s14.140103-2115}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9600.16596 (winblues14_gdr_lean.140112-2038)|9600.16596.winblues14_gdr_lean.140112-2038}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9600.16596 (winblues14_gdr_lean.140114-0237)|9600.16596.winblues14_gdr_lean.140114-0237}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9600.16606|9600.16606.winblues14_gdr_lean.140126-2042}}<br />
{{BLItem Unconfirmed|Windows 8.1 build 9600.16608|9600.16608.winblues14_gdr_lean.140130-2030}}<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9600.17024|9600.17024.winblue_gdr_s14sku_partner.140214-1700}}<br />
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====Update 1====<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9600.17031|9600.17031.winblue_gdr.140221-1952}}<br />
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====Update 2====<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9600.17238|9600.17238.winblue_gdr.140723-2018}}<br />
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====Update 3====<br />
{{BLItem Leaked|Windows 8.1 build 9600.17415|9600.17415.winblue_r4.141028-1500}}<br />
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==References==<br />
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{{Microsoft Windows}}<br />
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== Windows 10 build 15023 ==<br />
There is incorrect information on that page. [[Special:Contributions/103.245.19.107|103.245.19.107]] 22:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:there isn't but alright [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 22:25, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::yes there is [[Special:Contributions/103.245.19.107|103.245.19.107]] 22:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::where [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 22:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::you would know, you keep putting it back in [[Special:Contributions/103.245.19.107|103.245.19.107]] 22:30, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::because you keep vandalizing the page? lmfao [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 22:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::: you keep reverting my useful edits [[Special:Contributions/103.245.19.107|103.245.19.107]] 22:33, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Well because "Windows Vasta build 15023" isn't real. And inserting WNR/NROS into pages is against the rules. [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 23:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should Usernames be Replaced by Real Names ==<br />
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Should we replace usernames of people with their real names? For example, replace "Grabberslasher" with "Steve Troughton-Smith"?{{Unsigned|InsiderX}}<br />
:This is getting ridiculous...--[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 10:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::No. There are many, many reasons why one may not want to use their real name. It's a personal choice and that needs to be respected. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Definitely not. Stop invading the privacy of others. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 10:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::If the did not say no, and they leaked/published their real names, why not? -[[User:InsiderX|InsiderX]] ([[User talk:InsiderX|talk]]) 10:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Have you considered ''mentioning people however they prefer to be referred to''? What a revolutionary idea, right? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::No, it is not ridiculous. It makes people much easier to identify, especially if they change their usernames very often. It also feels good when you put real names in articles. -[[User:InsiderX|InsiderX]] ([[User talk:InsiderX|talk]]) 10:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Okay, this is just straight up creepy now. There's nothing okay about using other people's names when they get leaked. Do you even know what privacy is? [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 10:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::How does referring to people by real names that are usually less known than their nicknames make people easier to identify? That makes no sense. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::tbh, in the given example of Steve, probably more people know him by his real name than his nick these days. However, my feeling is that generally we should stick to whatever naming was used in the relevant source material for the content. I know this means that in some cases, the same person might be referred to under different names in different places, but I think that's preferable to the alternative and helps people identify correct sources. [[User:Hounsell|Hounsell]] ([[User talk:Hounsell|talk]]) 13:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's people's own choice if they want to use a nickname or their real name. This "replacing" idea is an absolute non-sense. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 08:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::That's ridiculous tho, it's a personal preference. Why?! [[User:Lucss21a|Lucss21a]] ([[User talk:Lucss21a|talk]]) 13:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Product keys for Windows 10 10240 ==<br />
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Why there are product keys for [[Windows 10 Build 10240]] if this is the RTM build ouf Windows 10 {{unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:I would assume these are generic keys taken from product.ini and cannot be used to activate Windows. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 13:38, 22 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
But they are still useless if they are generic because you can just click on « I don’t have ã product key »<br />
{{Unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:Just remove it yourself like I removed keys from build 20344 and 20348. {{unsigned|31.200.96.91}}<br />
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== Disambiguation pages should not be classed as an Orphaned Page ==<br />
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Disambiguation pages should not be classed as an Orphaned Page since the builds that are noted in the disambiguation pages are not orphan {{unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:Do you know what an orphan page is? The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Glossary#Orphan Wikipedia glossary] gives a good definition: "An orphaned article is an article with no links from other pages in the main article namespace." Unless they're linked to by an article, they're an orphan. However, disambiguation pages are ''meant'' to be orphans. That's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Orphan#On_disambiguation_pages their entire point] - to be accessed when searching and to navigate searchers to the correct article. I also don't understand what the point of this comment is. As far as I know, BetaWiki doesn't have an ''Orphan'' tag like Wikipedia has. And sure, a build not linked to on the main OS page is an orphan and would be problematic, but it's not the topic of your comment. [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 12:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should the One UI and AOSP articles of Android 10 build QP1A.020 be merged? ==<br />
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Both builds carry the same build number, so shouldn't the One UI version of that build be given a heading in the AOSP paragraph?<br />
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A preview is available on my user page: [[User:Th3userscene/Android 10 build QP1A.020]].<br />
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:Yes i support this idea, go ahead and do it :) [[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 17:53, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Can my account get deleted? "Not blocking" ==<br />
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I don't want to use this account and edit this wiki anymore. I'm done. Can administrators delete my account? I don't ask for blocking, I'm talking about deleting account. Thank you. {{unsigned|Mbczadgjliqetup}}<br />
: There is no way for deleting it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 18:50, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::But I fail to see who upset you this time, WhiteShark? --[[Special:Contributions/93.126.192.254|93.126.192.254]] 19:25, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::: Are you replying to me or to Mbczadgjliqetup? [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 19:27, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::He's replying to me. I saw the insults made towards me on Discord. Then remembered them. That's why. {{unsigned|Mbczadgjliqetup}}<br />
:::::Thanks for clarifying. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 19:40, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Android RTM and security update builds. ==<br />
<br />
Much like the update pages for Windows, I feel that Android most RTM and security update builds shouldn't be listed on the site. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:57, 31 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
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===Support===<br />
#As mentioned in my short comment, I don't feel a need to keep every build of Android listed on the site. We don't allow update builds for Windows, so why Android? Sorry for the poor typing, am tired. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:57, 31 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 17:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 17:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== About Sounds ==<br />
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Do you guys think we should add sounds? -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''13:14, 2 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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===Support===<br />
# I support it! --[[User:我是王牌66|liamchat]] ([[User talk:我是王牌66|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/我是王是66|contribs]]) (我是王牌66) 15:01, 28 November 2021 (CST)<br />
#:Why. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 14:50, 28 November 2021 (WIB)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
#I don't see a valid reason to add sounds to this wiki. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 13:15, 2 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 13:16, 2 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 13:17, 2 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
#Why. -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 22:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
# No. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 14:50, 28 November 2021 (WIB)<br />
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== Discord server? ==<br />
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i see the link for discord but the invite is invalid, is it still around or has it been discontinued? {{Unsigned|Generaaleric}}<br />
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== About 355x builds ==<br />
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Why arent 355x Builds listed? There are files in other builds (EX: 4088 references 3551) that confirm that the 355x builds existed, so should we add them? I thought of this because lots of unknown Neptune builds have files in [[Windows Me|Windows Millenium Edition Betas]], and why not in longhorn? -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''13:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:These files aren't an accurate method of proving a build is real. As for Neptune, the pages do say <code> but it is unknown whether this Neptune build was ever compiled.</code>. I would assume Neptune is a special case with how little info we have about other builds. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 13:30, 8 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Because they're just Server 2003 build tags with major/minor version 6.0. They're not Longhorn builds. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 22:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:File versions aren't really the best source of evidence we have, that's why we tend to not use them as a source. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 22:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Questions page ==<br />
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We should have a page to ask questions, Ill give and example of a wiki question: "Am I allowed to make a page called User:Beta Kiwi/Windows 4.0?" Another page (or the same page) Could be dedicated to Windows Questions such as: "Why is Windows Neptune 5111.6 Not Listed?". If not, I may make one on my page, still deciding if it should be in a testing room, or something else -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''13:23, 9 September 2021 (UTC)~'''</span><br />
:You're literally on the page intended for that... --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 22:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::This is a page for Community Questions, like do you want me to say "Should I add text onto my user page" and people will oppose/suppose it?? -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''22:54, 9 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:::Well if it's stuff related to your user page then use your user talk page for that. The other question that comes to mind is whether anyone cares in first place, not to mention that you're not really contributing to the wiki if your editing is restrained to the user space and the staff will take note of that. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 22:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::You are correct on that -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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== Boot Screens ==<br />
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Should we replace Boot screens with animated GIF images? I feel like it would be cool to have it so when I open lets say, The Windows xp RTM, instaid of a basic image of the boot screen itself, we would have a boot screen including the animated bar! -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:No, GIFs are way too limited for that. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 23:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:why. -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 23:28, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Gifs would prolly work for win95 to vista [[User:Norman|MikeShinoda2001 (Norman)]] 23:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::And there is a site where you can turn clips from youtube videos into GIF files, so theres some hours saved -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:::The size limitations in place pretty much restricts such gifs from being uploaded. Plus, I don't see a valid reason to have gifs of them when still images work just fine. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 13:14, 15 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::I will add some boot screens to [[Windows XP]], revert if you guys dont like it, again this is a test to size limits, because if we can add this and it only takes up about 1000 something bytes, then that would be arund 10k bytes from 95 >> Vista (they are a bit more high-quality with no watermark) -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:20, 21 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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===Support===<br />
I will donate some terabytes if needed--<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''01:11, 22 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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===Oppose===<br />
#Would just be a waste of our time dealing with this. Everything is fine as is. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 01:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Page for BSD and its derivatives ==<br />
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We've already got a page about Linux, so what about BSD? It also plays an important role in UNIX family. --[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 12:26, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
==Renaming Server MN and FE==<br />
Should we rename all server build pages from builds 19504 to 20282 to Windows Server 2022? I am asking this here because in the past, my suggestion was rejected. I think renaming them to server 2022 would make sense as we have not seen any builds of server cobalt or nickel. Example would look like this: Windows Server 2022 build 19504 [[Special:Contributions/Norman|MikeShinoda2001 (Norman)]] 23:05, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:What does Cobalt or Nickel have to do with this?? Personally I would only rename LTSC builds starting with 20201, since these are explicitly labeled as "builds of the next LTSC channel release" i.e. Server 2022 --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:38, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Outside of mentions in update files (cobalt 21292.1010 and 21337.1010), there were no publically released builds of server cobalt and nickel. Windows server 2022 has been out for a while now and i think it would make sense to rename 19504 to 20282 server 2022. [[Special:Contributions/60.241.87.109|60.241.87.109]] 14:45, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Cool and how does the fact there are no known Cobalt or Nickel builds justify renaming Iron and Manganese to Server 2022? --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:47, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::[https://docs.microsoft.com/en-au/windows-server/get-started/windows-server-release-info SAC server is dead], there is only ltsc from server 2022 onwards. Also on this site, manganese and iron server are now set up to redirect to server 2022 [[Special:Contributions/60.241.87.109|60.241.87.109]] 14:51, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
#[[Special:Contributions/Norman|MikeShinoda2001 (Norman)]] 23:05, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
#-<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta (Beta Kiwi)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''13:28, 15 September 2021 (UTC)~'''</span><br />
===Oppose===<br />
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== Purge all non-Windows related content ==<br />
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Let's just point out the elephant in the room. All non-Windows stuff on the wiki gets literally no activity besides one or two users. There's also many other wikis for the non-Windows stuff we cover, such as [https://theiphonewiki.com The iPhone Wiki] for iOS, [https://apple.fandom.com Apple Wiki] for Mac related stuff, and [https://distrowatch.com DistroWatch] for literally everything Linux related. The game articles (that aren't Windows games) are relatively useless as well, great example being the legendary Create with Garfield article, which has since been deleted, as there's Wikipedia pages for many of these already, and [https://tcrf.net The Cutting Room Floor] and [https://hiddenpalace.org The Hidden Palace] exist for this wiki's exact scope, but obviously for games instead. I don't know about you, but when I think of BetaWiki, I think of Windows, and Windows betas, not Mac or Linux betas. {{Unsigned|Orbitron}}<br />
:lol you would have to rename the wiki to "WindowsBetaWiki" because if that was ever put into place, it would be only about windows betas [[User:Norman|MikeShinoda2001 (Norman)]] 03:33, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::What? I'm saying to keep anything Windows related, such as built in games and apps, it wouldn't just be Windows betas. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 03:35, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::is that an excuse for keeping a backlog of old abanadonned articles? the [[Half-Life 2]] articles have had 4 major edits in the past 6 years. -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 03:38, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I don't see why would you have to rename the wiki if it's still about betas. We are a Windows-centric wiki already, we would just stop trying to be a general wiki and just focus on our biggest strength. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 15:10, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:I love how a lot of people are opposing this yet they aren’t editing non-Windows articles. Why have a backlog of abandoned articles? -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 13:22, 13 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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This debate has been bought up a lot here since the last few years I've been here and I get that some areas aren't fully updated at all points. Yes, I do agree there are sections that should be removed, but I don't believe everything that is non-Windows should be removed. Here's my opinion on this:<br />
: '''Remove all game articles''' for any game that isn't pre-installed in any of the Windows/macOS systems. The Cutting Room Floor and Hidden Palace already does a better job documenting games and most of the game articles we had in the past is only fluff and just there because people want to add changelogs to games they like.<br />
: '''Remove [[IOP OS]]'''. WiiBrew Wiki suits this better.<br />
: '''Remove [[iOS]] and [[Android]] and their respective version pages'''. Rarely documents betas and only OEM stuff. Better suited for updated wikis. Do note however, that the listed Apple Wiki is far from a good wiki to source anything, and will stand far any wiki hosted on Wikia/FANDOM.<br />
: '''Remove the version pages for all Linux distros (such as [[Ubuntu 15.04]], [[Fedora 15]], etc.), alongside main pages for less notable Linux distros'''. We can probably keep a few noteworthy Linux distros such as [[Ubuntu]] and [[Debian]] alongside the main [[Linux]] page itself, but the version pages itself are usually fluff with no beta related content in there. DistroWatch ''isn't'' a full on wiki for documenting Linux distro betas, so we can probably have a gallery for the beta versions of a few distros while also removing the versions without known beta versions.<br />
: '''Remove all non-Windows or Apple pre-installed applications, such as [[Google Chrome]] and [[Mozilla Firefox]]'''. Pointless fluff with nothing related to betas documented here. [[Microsoft Office]] is also rarely documented, and should be removed if no one is willing to update it further.<br />
: '''Remove any remaining less important OSes I haven't listed as keep below'''. This includes [[BeOS]], [[Haiku]], [[Apple DOS]], [[TempleOS]], [[NeXTSTEP]], [[Novell NetWare]], and [[EComStation]] to name a few.<br />
: '''Keep [[MS-DOS]] and similar IBM equivalents back in the day such as [[86-DOS]]'''. They form the basis for Windows in early years and are well documented as it is.<br />
: '''Keep [[OS/2]]'''. OS/2 betas isn't documented anywhere better and is responsible for forming a basis that would create Windows NT. Some remaining build pages can be finished and I might be able to get on work for those. Alongside, builds before Warp 4 are already well documented.<br />
: '''Keep [[macOS]]'''. As I have stated above, the Apple Wiki on FANDOM is not a good wiki to host information about these builds. It barely hosts any data on the beta builds, has a non-existent administration so will likely be vandalized from WNR wannabes, and overall hosted on a less reliable host (using FANDOM is basically impossible without making an account there as you will get bombarded by ads and malicious bloat). The only reason why Apple builds aren't well documented is because of the different hardware required for these builds that are harder to emulate than Windows builds. [[QEMU]] has recently gotten updates to support and run 68k builds and all versions before Mac OS X 10.5 is well documented as far as it is. I might be fine removing the update builds until all of the beta builds are done, but I believe that the macOS builds do gain a slight amount of attention and should stay for the meantime until a better wiki can be found to host it.<br />
:: If anyone needs help installing these builds, I could create a sandbox guide that will list how you can be able to accomplish installation on these builds. Also, there's also a good reason why ia64/Alpha builds of Windows aren't well documented here.<br />
While I do get the incentive to host only one type of version because it is the only one active, most of the versions I listed as keep are those that have already been well documented as of currently and if anything, only the later builds of those listed OSes are the only ones lacking build pages and can be finished through until someone can provide a better wiki suited for those that are willing to document these betas there. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 15:15, 9 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
:That does seem like a good compromise to me, although personally I would leave all open source software out, so that means all Linux distros. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 16:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 03:31, 2 October 2021 (UTC) (I deleted create with garfield)<br />
#As Orbi has said, there are better sites for Apple/Linux products and games outside of Windows. Android has virtually no edits to it and version pages end up just having OEM revisions added. MacOS pages have one or two editors who just add in builds, create a basic page and that's it. Linux pages are even worse with most distros not having a page. Not to mention the obvious, majority of the traffic to this site are to pages relating to Windows. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 11:47, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#As per the general conversation last night/early this morning. Apple products have their own specialized communities, and each Linux distro has its forum, abandonware or not. The point is, most of these non-Windows/DOS and non-Microsoft articles just aren't maintained and take up too much dead space on the wiki. For games and other random applications, I also heavily support purging for the same reasons - each game has its own Fandom wiki. If you want to talk about those, go there to find a group of like-minded people, and don't be the sole contributor of a BetaWiki article for something you're not going to come back to. [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 12:00, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#Windows gets the most focus and attraction here while macOS and Linux gets barely any. There are indeed other websites that people can go to and edit if they so choose to, so I don't see a reason to keep the pages that aren't related to Windows here. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 15:20, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#When I checked [[BetaWiki:About|this page]], it actually mentioned some Windows-related communities. BetaWiki is '''WindowsWiki''' (Windows-centric wiki). ''Since its founding in 2013, the wiki has grown to become the largest source of information on pre-release builds of Windows.'' [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 08:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[https://distrowiki.miraheze.org/ A new wiki is] responsible for taking these non-Windows contents, so BetaWiki could just focus on Windows Betas then. What I just want is some time to move them to new Wiki. --[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:03, 28 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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#were called Beta Wiki, not Windows wiki, plus, I wasted lots of time on iOS and macOS pages. -Beta Kiwi [[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Start Button]] 20:25, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:We're called BetaWiki because we document betas, removing all non-Windows related content from this wiki wouldn't erase the main focus, which is obviously betas. Plus, if you even bothered to read the comments made here, then you'd realise that this has already been addressed. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 20:42, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::"BetaWiki shouldn't focus on what drives 99% of its traffic" is a rather ''interesting'' assertion to make. [[User:Starfrost|Starfrost]] ([[User talk:Starfrost|talk]]) 21:02, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::That's not what I was saying..? [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 21:05, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::Nevermind, just realised what you meant. Yeah, I made that assertion because I intepreted them saying "were called Beta Wiki, not Windows wiki" as them implying that the wiki would have to be renamed to "Windows wiki" if all non-Windows related content were to be removed. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 21:14, 7 October 2021 (UTC)``<br />
# We are called BetaWiki, not WindowsWiki. This is like if BetaArchive removed all non-Windows content, it would need to be called "WindowsArchive" Plus, Me, BetaKiwi and Johndoe123 work on iOS Articles, we should have Non-Windows content as long as there is betas. [[User:Orangera1n|Orangera1n]] ([[User Talk:Orangera1n|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Orangera1n|contribs]])<br />
#:I really fail to see how is the name thing anywhere near relevant -- Windows betas are still betas, so the name would still apply. I want you all to think about the gist of the change, rather than just reject it purely because the site has a certain name. I don't take "we are called BetaWiki" as a valid argument. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 23:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::We could just diversify our documentation [[User:Orangera1n|Orangera1n]] ([[User Talk:Orangera1n|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Orangera1n|contribs]]) <br />
#:::Far easier said than done. - [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 00:37, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::Problem with that is you need to find more users that are ACTUALLY interested in non windows oses [[User:MikeShinoda2001|MikeShinoda2001]] ([[User talk:MikeShinoda2001|talk]]) 00:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:MikeShinoda2001|MikeShinoda2001]] ([[User talk:MikeShinoda2001|talk]]) 23:44, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
# afaik the wikis mentioned above did not have information in ''build'' level so at least these information on BetaWiki have their uniqueness. [[User:CI611|CI611]] ([[User talk:CI611|talk]]) 00:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:But does BetaWiki even have this information? Most of the pages for software other than Windows remains untouched, with articles uncreated. It's just a list of strings. No information. A list. - [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 00:13, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:: I definitely edited the entire Mac OS 8 page, and I remember that Mac OS X Developer Preview page is very complete... [[User:CI611|CI611]] ([[User talk:CI611|talk]]) 01:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::: What we're trying to say here is that the Windows articles get much more traffic, therefore that's what we should be focusing on. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 01:58, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#<s>[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 14:50, 8 October 2021 (UTC) We are BetaWiki, not WindowsWiki. Betas of Mac OS, Linux, are equally important as Windows betas. Thus we need to keep them.</s><br />
#:Read my original argument. Windows and Microsoft related products get all the traffic, therefore I and many other people feel we need to focus on. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:52, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::Did you forget our goal? Go to Main Page and you will find the definition of BetaWiki. "An open encyclopedia of software history". Yes, "Software history", not "Windows history". JaGoTu and BF10 have devoted to reach this goal, and now we are going to destroy all? --[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 12:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::Add: BetaWiki should be focused on Windows, but that doesn't mean we need to abandon others. Imagine you're in a garden with flowers around. Then you want to cut all the leaves just because they are not flowers. Ridiculous? But that's just what they want to do.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 12:35, 9 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::Flowers need leaves since they are the part of the plant that sustains photosynthesis. On the other side, we don't necessarily need non-Windows content. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:45, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::No we need. We need introductions and information of virtualization softwares to help new betaers understand the basic theory of Windows betas, and basic operating system theories to assist the newcomers. There are still lots of MacOS and Linux betas, which belongs to beta circle. BetaArchive has an area to discuss and share information of these non-Windows relatives, and why we can't? DistroWatch - they sometimes offer information which is not trusted and even provide false ones. So in this situation BetaWiki acts as a platform providing real and trusted knowledge with justice and fair. Thus, these non-Windows pages also play significant roles in BetaWiki.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:14, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::First, we are not BetaArchive. Neither are we a forum. Not to mention the non-Windows sections on BA are pretty much dead. Second, how is DistroWatch being questionable our business in the first place? And no, BetaWiki does not act as such a platform, because the "real and trusted knowledge" is not there to begin with. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 10:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::I'd like to add a bit more things. Non-Windows pages takes up some space of server storage, which needs to be considered for a server runner, but simply deleting or purging them will produce too many logs, which also takes even more space. So it's not worth doing it, and it will also comsumes unnecessary CPU and memory costs. Even if only one person would see these pages, at least these information helps one people. And that's just enough.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::Yes. There is '''no way''' for permanently deleting it. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 03:14, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::Sorry, but that's probably the most pathetic argument in this discussion. ''You can't change because you would have to work in order to achieve that change.'' --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 10:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#<s>''BetaWiki is a collaborative open encyclopedia that documents the history and evolution of '''popular operating systems''' and applications.'' - Windows is '''not''' the only popular operating system. Linux and macOS are also popular. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 12:16, 9 October 2021 (UTC)</s> [EDIT: Now supporting, not opposing. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 08:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)]<br />
#:Thank you both Nara and GT610 for repeating this absolutely irrelevant argument. You're basically saying that the mission of BetaWiki can't be changed because the new mission would be different from the current one. ''You can't change because that means you would change.'' --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#Of course, Windows is going to remain on top when it comes to public interest in its development history - especially when it has the lions share of the desktop market, though I don't think popularity should be the driving metric in determining what gets to stay. There's plenty of non-Windows pre-release media that I am personally interested in. For instance, I've wanted to learn more about the development of Half-Life since availabilility of pre-release media for that game is quite barren, especially when compared to Half-Life 2. And from what I see, TCRF doesn't keep a handy list of what versions are known to exist. Having the list would surely help others in identifying what builds of the game are known to exist. Without such lists, that interest that sparked in me probably wouldn't have happened, and I wouldn't have noticed this "half-life alpha v 0.61" tag in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEtu45Nttj0&t=767s this particular video]. To have those articles removed would definently surpress public consciousness and interest, as I can't find any other pages that solely lists those builds in order. I've also planned on delving more into OS/2 and Mac territory at some point when I've finished the bulk of Windows builds from Windows 1.0 to about Windows 7 on my website. And that combined with my regular activity on BetaWiki would surely go to good use on improving those particular articles. So from my perspective, just because something gets the bulk of attention shouldn't mean that all other articles have to go. The Internet all too often strugles with the concept that something may not interest a particular group of people, but can have value to others. --[[User:Blue Horizon|Blue Horizon]] ([[User talk:Blue Horizon|talk]]) 12:47, 9 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:Thank you for your opinion. This is not really driven by popularity, but it's rather an acknowledgement that the non-Windows content does not hold up to the rest in both quality and quantity. Unfortunately that's a result of the wiki coming from the Windows beta community in the first place. This isn't a change that would happen overnight either, as the exact scope would need to be thoroughly defined. I wouldn't mind including MS-DOS and OS/2 for example, since they are both an important part of Windows history in a way. I do want to put up a backup of the contents prior to removal of the affected articles on the Internet Archive or a similar site, as I believe it's still worth its place on the Internet. Perhaps it will even encourage somebody to create a similar wiki by taking our content as a starter set and hopefully attract other communities to it. And even if this change does not entirely happen, I think we should sit down and think about what we want to focus on, since I am sure we don't want to become distrowatch wiki either --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::I wouldn't lose sleep over some things like iOS and Android being removed, as I'm not into those systems myself. Though for other niche articles like games and various applications, archiving those articles is something I would be fine with. While there are times I find Windows interesting above all else, I do like to give other non-Microsoft products a go once in a while. I at least have my website to share those endeavors and information with others, so at least that can be something to fall back on should this wiki remove such articles. --[[User:Blue Horizon|Blue Horizon]] ([[User talk:Blue Horizon|talk]]) 21:18, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::The problem with Android is that there is no single Android, so I don't even know where do these versions even come from. Apple systems have their own active community and most of our pages about macOS and iOS just say when a build was released to the public. Even the countless Windows 10 build articles have more information in them. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 10:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::Maybe just split betawiki into two, one half on windows and the other half on other oses like macos, linux and other oses etc. How will this work out? [[User:MikeShinoda2001|MikeShinoda2001]] ([[User talk:MikeShinoda2001|talk]]) 11:02, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::::Probably we can get together and run another Wiki that is independent from the current one, holding MacOS and Linux pages. And then the current one can be used to focus on Windows things.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 14:47, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::::::What? Other wikis exist for this stuff. That was my original argument for this. Go there if you want to edit macOS and Linux articles. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:52, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::::::But, they ''can'' provide false information. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 14:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::::::::So can BetaWiki. Edit the articles if you think they contain false information. That's the whole point of editing a wiki. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:58, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::::::::Experts on BetaWiki will stop false information spreading as soon as possible, but capitalists won't.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:01, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::::::::::Yes. I just want to support GT610. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 15:03, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::::::::::Capitalists? What? Also, there's nothing stopping you from just removing the false information, I don't know what's hard to understand about that [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 15:05, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::::::::::::I think what they're trying to say is that the aforementioned wikis basically has a non-existent moderation due to being abandoned by majority. You can already tell how well a non-moderated wiki ends up with. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 15:34, 9 November 2021 (UTC)</s><br />
#[[User:Idontknowwhatusernameiwanttoput|Idontknowwhatusernameiwanttoput]] ([[User talk:Idontknowwhatusernameiwanttoput|talk]]) 19:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC) I think games and applications that are not included with an operating system doesn’t have their place here but Operating Systems and applications that are included in these can stay.<br />
#I think getting rid of ''all'' non-windows content would be a step too far. Pruning some stuff makes sense. I don't think the Linux articles add much value for example - mostly it's just a list of distros with release versions - low amount of content and not relevant to '''Beta'''Wiki. I think we just need to look at which sections have a good base to build off, and which are just too large a task to be taken on. [[User:Hounsell|Hounsell]] ([[User talk:Hounsell|talk]]) 09:53, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:I agree. Some articles are unnecessary, but there are also Linux articles with great quality, which is of value to keep it. We can just throw off some low quality "trash", and keep the "diamonds".<br />
#:I've also found some articles which are currently less contents but have a potential to be great ones - For example, some Deepin, UOS or other distributions - these I think we need to, and we can keep it and improve it to better, comprehensive ones. --[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:Wait... My opinion is that we can throw out Firefox, for example. As Android and Linux articles are large works and cannot be done in one day, we can just improve them to make them better. If they really need to ne removed please give us some time to backup our works. --[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:I highly support this type of decision, and that we should selectively remove less important material. I have listed most pages that should be removed above. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 15:34, 9 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:Yes! I absolutely support this. - [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 20:57, 15 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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==Window shadow==<br />
How do you make screenshots of windows (not the os) show shadows in the photo? [[User:WaterMelon|WaterMelon]] ([[User talk:WaterMelon|talk]]) 18:20, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Use AeroShot. ヾ(•ω•`)o Hi. I'm [[User:SamCool939|SamCool939]]. ([[User talk:SamCool939|talk]]) 15:14, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Ok thanks. Where can I get AeroShot? [[User:WaterMelon|WaterMelon]] ([[User talk:WaterMelon|talk]]) 15:56, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::[https://github.com/Cvolton/AeroShotCRE You can get it here.] ヾ(•ω•`)o Hi. I'm [[User:SamCool939|SamCool939]]. ([[User talk:SamCool939|talk]]) 16:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== i can't sign up and can't use discord ==<br />
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got this question What kernel function implements the Blue Screen of Death on Windows NT? i have no idea bro. signed up to discord using the link and i do not see the server, does it even exist? {{Unsigned|2A0B:F4C1:2:0:0:0:0:243}}<br />
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== What's wrong with the NFO file of [[Windows 2000 build 2195.1]]? ==<br />
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I don't know why the abuse filter is annoying with the "Addition of repetitive content" error message. [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 19:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:It might be because of the ASCII art that's present in the file. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 19:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should Android (Surface Duo variant) be renamed to Android 10 (Surface Duo variant)? ==<br />
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The Duo 2 runs Android 11 instead of 10, and an upgrade is also planned for the original Duo. The emulator has been [https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dual-screen/android/emulator/release-notes#20219225-september-23th-2021 updated] too.<br />
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I think the current Duo variant page should be left for Android 10, and an Android 11 page should be created. [[User:Th3userscene|Th3userscene]] ([[User talk:Th3userscene|talk]]) 09:28, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Windows Neptune ==<br />
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If BetaWiki makes Windows Builds that are seen in source codes,then why are all the Neptune builds apart from 5056, 5111.1 and 5000 confirmed but not leaked? {{unsigned|TechActivate 781}}<br />
:Because, uh, they are not leaked??? --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 19:49, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
:I believe this comes from a misunderstanding. A build with files of a file version ''is not'' leaked; on the other hand, one that has been shared, publicly leaked, or otherwise dumped ''is'' leaked. - [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 19:52, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
What I mean, is that why are they unconfirmed, they should be confirmed but not leaked. {{unsigned|TechActivate 781}}<br />
:Because they're not confirmed according to our policy. A file version found in another build alone is not proof of existence. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 17:42, 12 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Protect Windows 12 page ==<br />
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Protect Windows 12 page. - [[User:WinHEC2009|WinHEC2009]]<br />
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What is the Windows 12 Page? {{unsigned|TechActivate 781}}<br />
:It's a page about a version that may or may not be released in far future. Having a page which doesn't serve any purpose will be non-sense. So this page should be protected. Same goes to the Copper page, there're no any confirmed builds. {{Unsigned|31.200.107.15}}<br />
::Windows 12 isn't a thing; let's not try to break the WNR rule.<br />
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::See [[BW:GUIDE]]. - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 12:29, 16 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::It may be released in future. But it doesn't exist for now. {{Unsigned|31.200.107.15}}<br />
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== Please you can create a page? ==<br />
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Do you can create an [[Vandalism on BetaWiki]] page? {{unsigned|78.180.102.18}}<br />
:No, why? --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 02:24, 18 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
::There was a [[Sandbox]], but its protected (sorry if i have added this wrong, i don't understand the editor much, also i dont know how to add a username) {{unsigned|90.155.76.234}}<br />
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== About <nowiki>{{lowercase}}</nowiki> template ==<br />
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Why do we use this for some macOS pages? It causes an additional empty line. [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 22:01, 24 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
:And sadly, I can't fix the template. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 00:46, 25 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Will not let me make my userpage ==<br />
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I cannot make my userpage, it says I do not have permmision to. Can someone help? [[User:Somethingyouknow|Somethingyouknow]] ([[User talk:Somethingyouknow|talk]]) 18:25, 26 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Title pre-21990 Cobalt builds as Windows 11 as opposed to Windows 10 ==<br />
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Currently, only Cobalt builds with Windows 11 branding are titled Windows 11. However, Cobalt builds with Windows 10 branding are technically not Windows 10. Brandon LeBlanc, who works in the Windows Insider Program, has [https://twitter.com/brandonleblanc/status/1441157319425884162 stated] that builds like 21390 are early Windows 11 builds, but with Windows 10 branding. For previous versions of Windows, like Windows 8, the wiki has titled the early builds that contain older branding with the name of the final release. For example, most of the early Windows 8 builds have Windows 7 branding, but they are titled Windows 8 rather than Windows 7. To maintain consistency, I think these Windows 10 branded Cobalt build pages should be titled Windows 11. [[User:Charka123|Charka123]] ([[User talk:Charka123|talk]]) 00:57, 27 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== ARM32 ==<br />
Should mentions of "ARM32" be changed to "ARMv7", as this is the architecture version targeted? (Except for the rumours of very early builds of the port being for ARMv6) [[Special:Contributions/89.243.142.119|89.243.142.119]] 10:04, 27 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
:We definitely need some consistent set of arch identifiers so pages do not constantly change between x64 and AMD64. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 15:15, 28 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Disk Check ==<br />
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Does the disk check actually exist? If so, what are the requirements for the disk? Thanks in advance. {{unsigned|TechActivate 781}}<br />
:What? --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 15:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
Sorry, I did not give enough information. In the 21996 page, it says that there is a requirment for disk. What is it and does it exist. {{unsigned|TechActivate 781}}<br />
:Do you mean disk space?</div>90.155.76.234https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=BetaWiki:Community_portal&diff=182094BetaWiki:Community portal2021-11-26T22:12:57Z<p>90.155.76.234: /* Please you can create a page? */fixed typo</p>
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== Windows 10 build 15023 ==<br />
There is incorrect information on that page. [[Special:Contributions/103.245.19.107|103.245.19.107]] 22:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:there isn't but alright [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 22:25, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::yes there is [[Special:Contributions/103.245.19.107|103.245.19.107]] 22:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::where [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 22:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::you would know, you keep putting it back in [[Special:Contributions/103.245.19.107|103.245.19.107]] 22:30, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::because you keep vandalizing the page? lmfao [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 22:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::: you keep reverting my useful edits [[Special:Contributions/103.245.19.107|103.245.19.107]] 22:33, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Well because "Windows Vasta build 15023" isn't real. And inserting WNR/NROS into pages is against the rules. [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 23:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should Usernames be Replaced by Real Names ==<br />
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Should we replace usernames of people with their real names? For example, replace "Grabberslasher" with "Steve Troughton-Smith"?{{Unsigned|InsiderX}}<br />
:This is getting ridiculous...--[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 10:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::No. There are many, many reasons why one may not want to use their real name. It's a personal choice and that needs to be respected. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Definitely not. Stop invading the privacy of others. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 10:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::If the did not say no, and they leaked/published their real names, why not? -[[User:InsiderX|InsiderX]] ([[User talk:InsiderX|talk]]) 10:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Have you considered ''mentioning people however they prefer to be referred to''? What a revolutionary idea, right? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::No, it is not ridiculous. It makes people much easier to identify, especially if they change their usernames very often. It also feels good when you put real names in articles. -[[User:InsiderX|InsiderX]] ([[User talk:InsiderX|talk]]) 10:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Okay, this is just straight up creepy now. There's nothing okay about using other people's names when they get leaked. Do you even know what privacy is? [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 10:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::How does referring to people by real names that are usually less known than their nicknames make people easier to identify? That makes no sense. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::tbh, in the given example of Steve, probably more people know him by his real name than his nick these days. However, my feeling is that generally we should stick to whatever naming was used in the relevant source material for the content. I know this means that in some cases, the same person might be referred to under different names in different places, but I think that's preferable to the alternative and helps people identify correct sources. [[User:Hounsell|Hounsell]] ([[User talk:Hounsell|talk]]) 13:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's people's own choice if they want to use a nickname or their real name. This "replacing" idea is an absolute non-sense. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 08:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::That's ridiculous tho, it's a personal preference. Why?! [[User:Lucss21a|Lucss21a]] ([[User talk:Lucss21a|talk]]) 13:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Product keys for Windows 10 10240 ==<br />
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Why there are product keys for [[Windows 10 Build 10240]] if this is the RTM build ouf Windows 10 {{unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:I would assume these are generic keys taken from product.ini and cannot be used to activate Windows. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 13:38, 22 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
But they are still useless if they are generic because you can just click on « I don’t have ã product key »<br />
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:Just remove it yourself like I removed keys from build 20344 and 20348. {{unsigned|31.200.96.91}}<br />
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== Disambiguation pages should not be classed as an Orphaned Page ==<br />
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Disambiguation pages should not be classed as an Orphaned Page since the builds that are noted in the disambiguation pages are not orphan {{unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:Do you know what an orphan page is? The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Glossary#Orphan Wikipedia glossary] gives a good definition: "An orphaned article is an article with no links from other pages in the main article namespace." Unless they're linked to by an article, they're an orphan. However, disambiguation pages are ''meant'' to be orphans. That's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Orphan#On_disambiguation_pages their entire point] - to be accessed when searching and to navigate searchers to the correct article. I also don't understand what the point of this comment is. As far as I know, BetaWiki doesn't have an ''Orphan'' tag like Wikipedia has. And sure, a build not linked to on the main OS page is an orphan and would be problematic, but it's not the topic of your comment. [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 12:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should the One UI and AOSP articles of Android 10 build QP1A.020 be merged? ==<br />
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Both builds carry the same build number, so shouldn't the One UI version of that build be given a heading in the AOSP paragraph?<br />
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A preview is available on my user page: [[User:Th3userscene/Android 10 build QP1A.020]].<br />
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:Yes i support this idea, go ahead and do it :) [[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 17:53, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Can my account get deleted? "Not blocking" ==<br />
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I don't want to use this account and edit this wiki anymore. I'm done. Can administrators delete my account? I don't ask for blocking, I'm talking about deleting account. Thank you. {{unsigned|Mbczadgjliqetup}}<br />
: There is no way for deleting it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 18:50, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::But I fail to see who upset you this time, WhiteShark? --[[Special:Contributions/93.126.192.254|93.126.192.254]] 19:25, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::: Are you replying to me or to Mbczadgjliqetup? [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 19:27, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::He's replying to me. I saw the insults made towards me on Discord. Then remembered them. That's why. {{unsigned|Mbczadgjliqetup}}<br />
:::::Thanks for clarifying. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 19:40, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Android RTM and security update builds. ==<br />
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Much like the update pages for Windows, I feel that Android most RTM and security update builds shouldn't be listed on the site. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:57, 31 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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#As mentioned in my short comment, I don't feel a need to keep every build of Android listed on the site. We don't allow update builds for Windows, so why Android? Sorry for the poor typing, am tired. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:57, 31 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 17:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 17:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== About Sounds ==<br />
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Do you guys think we should add sounds? -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''13:14, 2 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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#I don't see a valid reason to add sounds to this wiki. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 13:15, 2 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 13:16, 2 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 13:17, 2 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
#Why. -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 22:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Discord server? ==<br />
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i see the link for discord but the invite is invalid, is it still around or has it been discontinued? {{Unsigned|Generaaleric}}<br />
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== About 355x builds ==<br />
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Why arent 355x Builds listed? There are files in other builds (EX: 4088 references 3551) that confirm that the 355x builds existed, so should we add them? I thought of this because lots of unknown Neptune builds have files in [[Windows Me|Windows Millenium Edition Betas]], and why not in longhorn? -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''13:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:These files aren't an accurate method of proving a build is real. As for Neptune, the pages do say <code> but it is unknown whether this Neptune build was ever compiled.</code>. I would assume Neptune is a special case with how little info we have about other builds. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 13:30, 8 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Because they're just Server 2003 build tags with major/minor version 6.0. They're not Longhorn builds. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 22:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:File versions aren't really the best source of evidence we have, that's why we tend to not use them as a source. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 22:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Questions page ==<br />
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We should have a page to ask questions, Ill give and example of a wiki question: "Am I allowed to make a page called User:Beta Kiwi/Windows 4.0?" Another page (or the same page) Could be dedicated to Windows Questions such as: "Why is Windows Neptune 5111.6 Not Listed?". If not, I may make one on my page, still deciding if it should be in a testing room, or something else -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''13:23, 9 September 2021 (UTC)~'''</span><br />
:You're literally on the page intended for that... --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 22:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::This is a page for Community Questions, like do you want me to say "Should I add text onto my user page" and people will oppose/suppose it?? -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''22:54, 9 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:::Well if it's stuff related to your user page then use your user talk page for that. The other question that comes to mind is whether anyone cares in first place, not to mention that you're not really contributing to the wiki if your editing is restrained to the user space and the staff will take note of that. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 22:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::You are correct on that -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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== Boot Screens ==<br />
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Should we replace Boot screens with animated GIF images? I feel like it would be cool to have it so when I open lets say, The Windows xp RTM, instaid of a basic image of the boot screen itself, we would have a boot screen including the animated bar! -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:No, GIFs are way too limited for that. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 23:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:why. -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 23:28, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Gifs would prolly work for win95 to vista [[User:Norman|MikeShinoda2001 (Norman)]] 23:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::And there is a site where you can turn clips from youtube videos into GIF files, so theres some hours saved -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:::The size limitations in place pretty much restricts such gifs from being uploaded. Plus, I don't see a valid reason to have gifs of them when still images work just fine. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 13:14, 15 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::I will add some boot screens to [[Windows XP]], revert if you guys dont like it, again this is a test to size limits, because if we can add this and it only takes up about 1000 something bytes, then that would be arund 10k bytes from 95 >> Vista (they are a bit more high-quality with no watermark) -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:20, 21 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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===Support===<br />
I will donate some terabytes if needed--<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''01:11, 22 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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===Oppose===<br />
#Would just be a waste of our time dealing with this. Everything is fine as is. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 01:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Page for BSD and its derivatives ==<br />
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We've already got a page about Linux, so what about BSD? It also plays an important role in UNIX family. --[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 12:26, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
==Renaming Server MN and FE==<br />
Should we rename all server build pages from builds 19504 to 20282 to Windows Server 2022? I am asking this here because in the past, my suggestion was rejected. I think renaming them to server 2022 would make sense as we have not seen any builds of server cobalt or nickel. Example would look like this: Windows Server 2022 build 19504 [[Special:Contributions/Norman|MikeShinoda2001 (Norman)]] 23:05, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:What does Cobalt or Nickel have to do with this?? Personally I would only rename LTSC builds starting with 20201, since these are explicitly labeled as "builds of the next LTSC channel release" i.e. Server 2022 --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:38, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Outside of mentions in update files (cobalt 21292.1010 and 21337.1010), there were no publically released builds of server cobalt and nickel. Windows server 2022 has been out for a while now and i think it would make sense to rename 19504 to 20282 server 2022. [[Special:Contributions/60.241.87.109|60.241.87.109]] 14:45, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Cool and how does the fact there are no known Cobalt or Nickel builds justify renaming Iron and Manganese to Server 2022? --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:47, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::[https://docs.microsoft.com/en-au/windows-server/get-started/windows-server-release-info SAC server is dead], there is only ltsc from server 2022 onwards. Also on this site, manganese and iron server are now set up to redirect to server 2022 [[Special:Contributions/60.241.87.109|60.241.87.109]] 14:51, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
#[[Special:Contributions/Norman|MikeShinoda2001 (Norman)]] 23:05, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
#-<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta (Beta Kiwi)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''13:28, 15 September 2021 (UTC)~'''</span><br />
===Oppose===<br />
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== Purge all non-Windows related content ==<br />
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Let's just point out the elephant in the room. All non-Windows stuff on the wiki gets literally no activity besides one or two users. There's also many other wikis for the non-Windows stuff we cover, such as [https://theiphonewiki.com The iPhone Wiki] for iOS, [https://apple.fandom.com Apple Wiki] for Mac related stuff, and [https://distrowatch.com DistroWatch] for literally everything Linux related. The game articles (that aren't Windows games) are relatively useless as well, great example being the legendary Create with Garfield article, which has since been deleted, as there's Wikipedia pages for many of these already, and [https://tcrf.net The Cutting Room Floor] and [https://hiddenpalace.org The Hidden Palace] exist for this wiki's exact scope, but obviously for games instead. I don't know about you, but when I think of BetaWiki, I think of Windows, and Windows betas, not Mac or Linux betas. {{Unsigned|Orbitron}}<br />
:lol you would have to rename the wiki to "WindowsBetaWiki" because if that was ever put into place, it would be only about windows betas [[User:Norman|MikeShinoda2001 (Norman)]] 03:33, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::What? I'm saying to keep anything Windows related, such as built in games and apps, it wouldn't just be Windows betas. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 03:35, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::is that an excuse for keeping a backlog of old abanadonned articles? the [[Half-Life 2]] articles have had 4 major edits in the past 6 years. -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 03:38, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I don't see why would you have to rename the wiki if it's still about betas. We are a Windows-centric wiki already, we would just stop trying to be a general wiki and just focus on our biggest strength. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 15:10, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:I love how a lot of people are opposing this yet they aren’t editing non-Windows articles. Why have a backlog of abandoned articles? -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 13:22, 13 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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This debate has been bought up a lot here since the last few years I've been here and I get that some areas aren't fully updated at all points. Yes, I do agree there are sections that should be removed, but I don't believe everything that is non-Windows should be removed. Here's my opinion on this:<br />
: '''Remove all game articles''' for any game that isn't pre-installed in any of the Windows/macOS systems. The Cutting Room Floor and Hidden Palace already does a better job documenting games and most of the game articles we had in the past is only fluff and just there because people want to add changelogs to games they like.<br />
: '''Remove [[IOP OS]]'''. WiiBrew Wiki suits this better.<br />
: '''Remove [[iOS]] and [[Android]] and their respective version pages'''. Rarely documents betas and only OEM stuff. Better suited for updated wikis. Do note however, that the listed Apple Wiki is far from a good wiki to source anything, and will stand far any wiki hosted on Wikia/FANDOM.<br />
: '''Remove the version pages for all Linux distros (such as [[Ubuntu 15.04]], [[Fedora 15]], etc.), alongside main pages for less notable Linux distros'''. We can probably keep a few noteworthy Linux distros such as [[Ubuntu]] and [[Debian]] alongside the main [[Linux]] page itself, but the version pages itself are usually fluff with no beta related content in there. DistroWatch ''isn't'' a full on wiki for documenting Linux distro betas, so we can probably have a gallery for the beta versions of a few distros while also removing the versions without known beta versions.<br />
: '''Remove all non-Windows or Apple pre-installed applications, such as [[Google Chrome]] and [[Mozilla Firefox]]'''. Pointless fluff with nothing related to betas documented here. [[Microsoft Office]] is also rarely documented, and should be removed if no one is willing to update it further.<br />
: '''Remove any remaining less important OSes I haven't listed as keep below'''. This includes [[BeOS]], [[Haiku]], [[Apple DOS]], [[TempleOS]], [[NeXTSTEP]], [[Novell NetWare]], and [[EComStation]] to name a few.<br />
: '''Keep [[MS-DOS]] and similar IBM equivalents back in the day such as [[86-DOS]]'''. They form the basis for Windows in early years and are well documented as it is.<br />
: '''Keep [[OS/2]]'''. OS/2 betas isn't documented anywhere better and is responsible for forming a basis that would create Windows NT. Some remaining build pages can be finished and I might be able to get on work for those. Alongside, builds before Warp 4 are already well documented.<br />
: '''Keep [[macOS]]'''. As I have stated above, the Apple Wiki on FANDOM is not a good wiki to host information about these builds. It barely hosts any data on the beta builds, has a non-existent administration so will likely be vandalized from WNR wannabes, and overall hosted on a less reliable host (using FANDOM is basically impossible without making an account there as you will get bombarded by ads and malicious bloat). The only reason why Apple builds aren't well documented is because of the different hardware required for these builds that are harder to emulate than Windows builds. [[QEMU]] has recently gotten updates to support and run 68k builds and all versions before Mac OS X 10.5 is well documented as far as it is. I might be fine removing the update builds until all of the beta builds are done, but I believe that the macOS builds do gain a slight amount of attention and should stay for the meantime until a better wiki can be found to host it.<br />
:: If anyone needs help installing these builds, I could create a sandbox guide that will list how you can be able to accomplish installation on these builds. Also, there's also a good reason why ia64/Alpha builds of Windows aren't well documented here.<br />
While I do get the incentive to host only one type of version because it is the only one active, most of the versions I listed as keep are those that have already been well documented as of currently and if anything, only the later builds of those listed OSes are the only ones lacking build pages and can be finished through until someone can provide a better wiki suited for those that are willing to document these betas there. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 15:15, 9 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
:That does seem like a good compromise to me, although personally I would leave all open source software out, so that means all Linux distros. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 16:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 03:31, 2 October 2021 (UTC) (I deleted create with garfield)<br />
#As Orbi has said, there are better sites for Apple/Linux products and games outside of Windows. Android has virtually no edits to it and version pages end up just having OEM revisions added. MacOS pages have one or two editors who just add in builds, create a basic page and that's it. Linux pages are even worse with most distros not having a page. Not to mention the obvious, majority of the traffic to this site are to pages relating to Windows. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 11:47, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#As per the general conversation last night/early this morning. Apple products have their own specialized communities, and each Linux distro has its forum, abandonware or not. The point is, most of these non-Windows/DOS and non-Microsoft articles just aren't maintained and take up too much dead space on the wiki. For games and other random applications, I also heavily support purging for the same reasons - each game has its own Fandom wiki. If you want to talk about those, go there to find a group of like-minded people, and don't be the sole contributor of a BetaWiki article for something you're not going to come back to. [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 12:00, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#Windows gets the most focus and attraction here while macOS and Linux gets barely any. There are indeed other websites that people can go to and edit if they so choose to, so I don't see a reason to keep the pages that aren't related to Windows here. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 15:20, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#When I checked [[BetaWiki:About|this page]], it actually mentioned some Windows-related communities. BetaWiki is '''WindowsWiki''' (Windows-centric wiki). ''Since its founding in 2013, the wiki has grown to become the largest source of information on pre-release builds of Windows.'' [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 08:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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#were called Beta Wiki, not Windows wiki, plus, I wasted lots of time on iOS and macOS pages. -Beta Kiwi [[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Start Button]] 20:25, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:We're called BetaWiki because we document betas, removing all non-Windows related content from this wiki wouldn't erase the main focus, which is obviously betas. Plus, if you even bothered to read the comments made here, then you'd realise that this has already been addressed. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 20:42, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::"BetaWiki shouldn't focus on what drives 99% of its traffic" is a rather ''interesting'' assertion to make. [[User:Starfrost|Starfrost]] ([[User talk:Starfrost|talk]]) 21:02, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::That's not what I was saying..? [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 21:05, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::Nevermind, just realised what you meant. Yeah, I made that assertion because I intepreted them saying "were called Beta Wiki, not Windows wiki" as them implying that the wiki would have to be renamed to "Windows wiki" if all non-Windows related content were to be removed. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 21:14, 7 October 2021 (UTC)``<br />
# We are called BetaWiki, not WindowsWiki. This is like if BetaArchive removed all non-Windows content, it would need to be called "WindowsArchive" Plus, Me, BetaKiwi and Johndoe123 work on iOS Articles, we should have Non-Windows content as long as there is betas. [[User:Orangera1n|Orangera1n]] ([[User Talk:Orangera1n|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Orangera1n|contribs]])<br />
#:I really fail to see how is the name thing anywhere near relevant -- Windows betas are still betas, so the name would still apply. I want you all to think about the gist of the change, rather than just reject it purely because the site has a certain name. I don't take "we are called BetaWiki" as a valid argument. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 23:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::We could just diversify our documentation [[User:Orangera1n|Orangera1n]] ([[User Talk:Orangera1n|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Orangera1n|contribs]]) <br />
#:::Far easier said than done. - [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 00:37, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::Problem with that is you need to find more users that are ACTUALLY interested in non windows oses [[User:MikeShinoda2001|MikeShinoda2001]] ([[User talk:MikeShinoda2001|talk]]) 00:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:MikeShinoda2001|MikeShinoda2001]] ([[User talk:MikeShinoda2001|talk]]) 23:44, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
# afaik the wikis mentioned above did not have information in ''build'' level so at least these information on BetaWiki have their uniqueness. [[User:CI611|CI611]] ([[User talk:CI611|talk]]) 00:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:But does BetaWiki even have this information? Most of the pages for software other than Windows remains untouched, with articles uncreated. It's just a list of strings. No information. A list. - [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 00:13, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:: I definitely edited the entire Mac OS 8 page, and I remember that Mac OS X Developer Preview page is very complete... [[User:CI611|CI611]] ([[User talk:CI611|talk]]) 01:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::: What we're trying to say here is that the Windows articles get much more traffic, therefore that's what we should be focusing on. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 01:58, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 14:50, 8 October 2021 (UTC) We are BetaWiki, not WindowsWiki. Betas of Mac OS, Linux, are equally important as Windows betas. Thus we need to keep them.<br />
#:Read my original argument. Windows and Microsoft related products get all the traffic, therefore I and many other people feel we need to focus on. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:52, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::Did you forget our goal? Go to Main Page and you will find the definition of BetaWiki. "An open encyclopedia of software history". Yes, "Software history", not "Windows history". JaGoTu and BF10 have devoted to reach this goal, and now we are going to destroy all? --[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 12:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::Add: BetaWiki should be focused on Windows, but that doesn't mean we need to abandon others. Imagine you're in a garden with flowers around. Then you want to cut all the leaves just because they are not flowers. Ridiculous? But that's just what they want to do.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 12:35, 9 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::Flowers need leaves since they are the part of the plant that sustains photosynthesis. On the other side, we don't necessarily need non-Windows content. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:45, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::No we need. We need introductions and information of virtualization softwares to help new betaers understand the basic theory of Windows betas, and basic operating system theories to assist the newcomers. There are still lots of MacOS and Linux betas, which belongs to beta circle. BetaArchive has an area to discuss and share information of these non-Windows relatives, and why we can't? DistroWatch - they sometimes offer information which is not trusted and even provide false ones. So in this situation BetaWiki acts as a platform providing real and trusted knowledge with justice and fair. Thus, these non-Windows pages also play significant roles in BetaWiki.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:14, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::First, we are not BetaArchive. Neither are we a forum. Not to mention the non-Windows sections on BA are pretty much dead. Second, how is DistroWatch being questionable our business in the first place? And no, BetaWiki does not act as such a platform, because the "real and trusted knowledge" is not there to begin with. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 10:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::I'd like to add a bit more things. Non-Windows pages takes up some space of server storage, which needs to be considered for a server runner, but simply deleting or purging them will produce too many logs, which also takes even more space. So it's not worth doing it, and it will also comsumes unnecessary CPU and memory costs. Even if only one person would see these pages, at least these information helps one people. And that's just enough.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::Yes. There is '''no way''' for permanently deleting it. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 03:14, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::Sorry, but that's probably the most pathetic argument in this discussion. ''You can't change because you would have to work in order to achieve that change.'' --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 10:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#<s>''BetaWiki is a collaborative open encyclopedia that documents the history and evolution of '''popular operating systems''' and applications.'' - Windows is '''not''' the only popular operating system. Linux and macOS are also popular. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 12:16, 9 October 2021 (UTC)</s> [EDIT: Now supporting, not opposing. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 08:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)]<br />
#:Thank you both Nara and GT610 for repeating this absolutely irrelevant argument. You're basically saying that the mission of BetaWiki can't be changed because the new mission would be different from the current one. ''You can't change because that means you would change.'' --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#Of course, Windows is going to remain on top when it comes to public interest in its development history - especially when it has the lions share of the desktop market, though I don't think popularity should be the driving metric in determining what gets to stay. There's plenty of non-Windows pre-release media that I am personally interested in. For instance, I've wanted to learn more about the development of Half-Life since availabilility of pre-release media for that game is quite barren, especially when compared to Half-Life 2. And from what I see, TCRF doesn't keep a handy list of what versions are known to exist. Having the list would surely help others in identifying what builds of the game are known to exist. Without such lists, that interest that sparked in me probably wouldn't have happened, and I wouldn't have noticed this "half-life alpha v 0.61" tag in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEtu45Nttj0&t=767s this particular video]. To have those articles removed would definently surpress public consciousness and interest, as I can't find any other pages that solely lists those builds in order. I've also planned on delving more into OS/2 and Mac territory at some point when I've finished the bulk of Windows builds from Windows 1.0 to about Windows 7 on my website. And that combined with my regular activity on BetaWiki would surely go to good use on improving those particular articles. So from my perspective, just because something gets the bulk of attention shouldn't mean that all other articles have to go. The Internet all too often strugles with the concept that something may not interest a particular group of people, but can have value to others. --[[User:Blue Horizon|Blue Horizon]] ([[User talk:Blue Horizon|talk]]) 12:47, 9 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:Thank you for your opinion. This is not really driven by popularity, but it's rather an acknowledgement that the non-Windows content does not hold up to the rest in both quality and quantity. Unfortunately that's a result of the wiki coming from the Windows beta community in the first place. This isn't a change that would happen overnight either, as the exact scope would need to be thoroughly defined. I wouldn't mind including MS-DOS and OS/2 for example, since they are both an important part of Windows history in a way. I do want to put up a backup of the contents prior to removal of the affected articles on the Internet Archive or a similar site, as I believe it's still worth its place on the Internet. Perhaps it will even encourage somebody to create a similar wiki by taking our content as a starter set and hopefully attract other communities to it. And even if this change does not entirely happen, I think we should sit down and think about what we want to focus on, since I am sure we don't want to become distrowatch wiki either --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::I wouldn't lose sleep over some things like iOS and Android being removed, as I'm not into those systems myself. Though for other niche articles like games and various applications, archiving those articles is something I would be fine with. While there are times I find Windows interesting above all else, I do like to give other non-Microsoft products a go once in a while. I at least have my website to share those endeavors and information with others, so at least that can be something to fall back on should this wiki remove such articles. --[[User:Blue Horizon|Blue Horizon]] ([[User talk:Blue Horizon|talk]]) 21:18, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::The problem with Android is that there is no single Android, so I don't even know where do these versions even come from. Apple systems have their own active community and most of our pages about macOS and iOS just say when a build was released to the public. Even the countless Windows 10 build articles have more information in them. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 10:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::Maybe just split betawiki into two, one half on windows and the other half on other oses like macos, linux and other oses etc. How will this work out? [[User:MikeShinoda2001|MikeShinoda2001]] ([[User talk:MikeShinoda2001|talk]]) 11:02, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::::Probably we can get together and run another Wiki that is independent from the current one, holding MacOS and Linux pages. And then the current one can be used to focus on Windows things.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 14:47, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::::::What? Other wikis exist for this stuff. That was my original argument for this. Go there if you want to edit macOS and Linux articles. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:52, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::::::But, they ''can'' provide false information. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 14:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::::::::So can BetaWiki. Edit the articles if you think they contain false information. That's the whole point of editing a wiki. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:58, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::::::::Experts on BetaWiki will stop false information spreading as soon as possible, but capitalists won't.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:01, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::::::::::Yes. I just want to support GT610. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 15:03, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::::::::::Capitalists? What? Also, there's nothing stopping you from just removing the false information, I don't know what's hard to understand about that [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 15:05, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::::::::::::I think what they're trying to say is that the aforementioned wikis basically has a non-existent moderation due to being abandoned by majority. You can already tell how well a non-moderated wiki ends up with. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 15:34, 9 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Idontknowwhatusernameiwanttoput|Idontknowwhatusernameiwanttoput]] ([[User talk:Idontknowwhatusernameiwanttoput|talk]]) 19:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC) I think games and applications that are not included with an operating system doesn’t have their place here but Operating Systems and applications that are included in these can stay.<br />
#I think getting rid of ''all'' non-windows content would be a step too far. Pruning some stuff makes sense. I don't think the Linux articles add much value for example - mostly it's just a list of distros with release versions - low amount of content and not relevant to '''Beta'''Wiki. I think we just need to look at which sections have a good base to build off, and which are just too large a task to be taken on. [[User:Hounsell|Hounsell]] ([[User talk:Hounsell|talk]]) 09:53, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:I agree. Some articles are unnecessary, but there are also Linux articles with great quality, which is of value to keep it. We can just throw off some low quality "trash", and keep the "diamonds".<br />
#:I've also found some articles which are currently less contents but have a potential to be great ones - For example, some Deepin, UOS or other distributions - these I think we need to, and we can keep it and improve it to better, comprehensive ones. --[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:Wait... My opinion is that we can throw out Firefox, for example. As Android and Linux articles are large works and cannot be done in one day, we can just improve them to make them better. If they really need to ne removed please give us some time to backup our works. --[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:I highly support this type of decision, and that we should selectively remove less important material. I have listed most pages that should be removed above. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 15:34, 9 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:Yes! I absolutely support this. - [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 20:57, 15 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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==Window shadow==<br />
How do you make screenshots of windows (not the os) show shadows in the photo? [[User:WaterMelon|WaterMelon]] ([[User talk:WaterMelon|talk]]) 18:20, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Use AeroShot. ヾ(•ω•`)o Hi. I'm [[User:SamCool939|SamCool939]]. ([[User talk:SamCool939|talk]]) 15:14, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Ok thanks. Where can I get AeroShot? [[User:WaterMelon|WaterMelon]] ([[User talk:WaterMelon|talk]]) 15:56, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::[https://github.com/Cvolton/AeroShotCRE You can get it here.] ヾ(•ω•`)o Hi. I'm [[User:SamCool939|SamCool939]]. ([[User talk:SamCool939|talk]]) 16:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== i can't sign up and can't use discord ==<br />
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got this question What kernel function implements the Blue Screen of Death on Windows NT? i have no idea bro. signed up to discord using the link and i do not see the server, does it even exist? {{Unsigned|2A0B:F4C1:2:0:0:0:0:243}}<br />
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== What's wrong with the NFO file of [[Windows 2000 build 2195.1]]? ==<br />
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I don't know why the abuse filter is annoying with the "Addition of repetitive content" error message. [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 19:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:It might be because of the ASCII art that's present in the file. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 19:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should Android (Surface Duo variant) be renamed to Android 10 (Surface Duo variant)? ==<br />
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The Duo 2 runs Android 11 instead of 10, and an upgrade is also planned for the original Duo. The emulator has been [https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dual-screen/android/emulator/release-notes#20219225-september-23th-2021 updated] too.<br />
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I think the current Duo variant page should be left for Android 10, and an Android 11 page should be created. [[User:Th3userscene|Th3userscene]] ([[User talk:Th3userscene|talk]]) 09:28, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Windows Neptune ==<br />
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If BetaWiki makes Windows Builds that are seen in source codes,then why are all the Neptune builds apart from 5056, 5111.1 and 5000 confirmed but not leaked? {{unsigned|TechActivate 781}}<br />
:Because, uh, they are not leaked??? --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 19:49, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
:I believe this comes from a misunderstanding. A build with files of a file version ''is not'' leaked; on the other hand, one that has been shared, publicly leaked, or otherwise dumped ''is'' leaked. - [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 19:52, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
What I mean, is that why are they unconfirmed, they should be confirmed but not leaked. {{unsigned|TechActivate 781}}<br />
:Because they're not confirmed according to our policy. A file version found in another build alone is not proof of existence. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 17:42, 12 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Protect Windows 12 page ==<br />
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Protect Windows 12 page. - [[User:WinHEC2009|WinHEC2009]]<br />
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What is the Windows 12 Page? {{unsigned|TechActivate 781}}<br />
:It's a page about a version that may or may not be released in far future. Having a page which doesn't serve any purpose will be non-sense. So this page should be protected. Same goes to the Copper page, there're no any confirmed builds. {{Unsigned|31.200.107.15}}<br />
::Windows 12 isn't a thing; let's not try to break the WNR rule.<br />
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::See [[BW:GUIDE]]. - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 12:29, 16 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::It may be released in future. But it doesn't exist for now. {{Unsigned|31.200.107.15}}<br />
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== Please you can create a page? ==<br />
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Do you can create an [[Vandalism on BetaWiki]] page? {{unsigned|78.180.102.18}}<br />
:No, why? --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 02:24, 18 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
::There was a [[Sandbox]], but its protected (sorry if i have added this wrong, i don't understand the editor much, also i dont know how to add a username) {{unsigned|90.155.76.234}}<br />
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== About <nowiki>{{lowercase}}</nowiki> template ==<br />
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Why do we use this for some macOS pages? It causes an additional empty line. [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 22:01, 24 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
:And sadly, I can't fix the template. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 00:46, 25 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Will not let me make my userpage ==<br />
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I cannot make my userpage, it says I do not have permmision to. Can someone help? [[User:Somethingyouknow|Somethingyouknow]] ([[User talk:Somethingyouknow|talk]]) 18:25, 26 November 2021 (UTC)</div>90.155.76.234https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=BetaWiki:Community_portal&diff=181903BetaWiki:Community portal2021-11-25T21:35:25Z<p>90.155.76.234: /* Please you can create a page? */added reply</p>
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== Windows 10 build 15023 ==<br />
There is incorrect information on that page. [[Special:Contributions/103.245.19.107|103.245.19.107]] 22:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:there isn't but alright [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 22:25, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::yes there is [[Special:Contributions/103.245.19.107|103.245.19.107]] 22:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::where [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 22:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::you would know, you keep putting it back in [[Special:Contributions/103.245.19.107|103.245.19.107]] 22:30, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::because you keep vandalizing the page? lmfao [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 22:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::: you keep reverting my useful edits [[Special:Contributions/103.245.19.107|103.245.19.107]] 22:33, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Well because "Windows Vasta build 15023" isn't real. And inserting WNR/NROS into pages is against the rules. [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 23:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should Usernames be Replaced by Real Names ==<br />
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Should we replace usernames of people with their real names? For example, replace "Grabberslasher" with "Steve Troughton-Smith"?{{Unsigned|InsiderX}}<br />
:This is getting ridiculous...--[[User:Winins|Winins]] ([[User talk:Winins|talk]]) 10:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::No. There are many, many reasons why one may not want to use their real name. It's a personal choice and that needs to be respected. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 10:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Definitely not. Stop invading the privacy of others. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 10:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::If the did not say no, and they leaked/published their real names, why not? -[[User:InsiderX|InsiderX]] ([[User talk:InsiderX|talk]]) 10:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Have you considered ''mentioning people however they prefer to be referred to''? What a revolutionary idea, right? --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::No, it is not ridiculous. It makes people much easier to identify, especially if they change their usernames very often. It also feels good when you put real names in articles. -[[User:InsiderX|InsiderX]] ([[User talk:InsiderX|talk]]) 10:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::Okay, this is just straight up creepy now. There's nothing okay about using other people's names when they get leaked. Do you even know what privacy is? [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 10:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::How does referring to people by real names that are usually less known than their nicknames make people easier to identify? That makes no sense. --<templatestyles src="User:Ryuzaki/Signature/styles.css"/>[[User:Ryuzaki|<span class="signature-ryuzaki-userpage">Ryuzaki</span>]] <span class="signature-ryuzaki-links">([[User talk:Ryuzaki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Ryuzaki|contribs]])</span> 12:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::::tbh, in the given example of Steve, probably more people know him by his real name than his nick these days. However, my feeling is that generally we should stick to whatever naming was used in the relevant source material for the content. I know this means that in some cases, the same person might be referred to under different names in different places, but I think that's preferable to the alternative and helps people identify correct sources. [[User:Hounsell|Hounsell]] ([[User talk:Hounsell|talk]]) 13:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's people's own choice if they want to use a nickname or their real name. This "replacing" idea is an absolute non-sense. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 08:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::That's ridiculous tho, it's a personal preference. Why?! [[User:Lucss21a|Lucss21a]] ([[User talk:Lucss21a|talk]]) 13:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Product keys for Windows 10 10240 ==<br />
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Why there are product keys for [[Windows 10 Build 10240]] if this is the RTM build ouf Windows 10 {{unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:I would assume these are generic keys taken from product.ini and cannot be used to activate Windows. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 13:38, 22 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
But they are still useless if they are generic because you can just click on « I don’t have ã product key »<br />
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:Just remove it yourself like I removed keys from build 20344 and 20348. {{unsigned|31.200.96.91}}<br />
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== Disambiguation pages should not be classed as an Orphaned Page ==<br />
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Disambiguation pages should not be classed as an Orphaned Page since the builds that are noted in the disambiguation pages are not orphan {{unsigned|LePikaDuCoin YT}}<br />
:Do you know what an orphan page is? The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Glossary#Orphan Wikipedia glossary] gives a good definition: "An orphaned article is an article with no links from other pages in the main article namespace." Unless they're linked to by an article, they're an orphan. However, disambiguation pages are ''meant'' to be orphans. That's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Orphan#On_disambiguation_pages their entire point] - to be accessed when searching and to navigate searchers to the correct article. I also don't understand what the point of this comment is. As far as I know, BetaWiki doesn't have an ''Orphan'' tag like Wikipedia has. And sure, a build not linked to on the main OS page is an orphan and would be problematic, but it's not the topic of your comment. [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 12:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should the One UI and AOSP articles of Android 10 build QP1A.020 be merged? ==<br />
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Both builds carry the same build number, so shouldn't the One UI version of that build be given a heading in the AOSP paragraph?<br />
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A preview is available on my user page: [[User:Th3userscene/Android 10 build QP1A.020]].<br />
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:Yes i support this idea, go ahead and do it :) [[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 17:53, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Can my account get deleted? "Not blocking" ==<br />
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I don't want to use this account and edit this wiki anymore. I'm done. Can administrators delete my account? I don't ask for blocking, I'm talking about deleting account. Thank you. {{unsigned|Mbczadgjliqetup}}<br />
: There is no way for deleting it. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 18:50, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::But I fail to see who upset you this time, WhiteShark? --[[Special:Contributions/93.126.192.254|93.126.192.254]] 19:25, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::: Are you replying to me or to Mbczadgjliqetup? [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 19:27, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::He's replying to me. I saw the insults made towards me on Discord. Then remembered them. That's why. {{unsigned|Mbczadgjliqetup}}<br />
:::::Thanks for clarifying. [[User:ToMi|ToMi]] ([[User talk:ToMi|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ToMi|contribs]]) 19:40, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Android RTM and security update builds. ==<br />
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Much like the update pages for Windows, I feel that Android most RTM and security update builds shouldn't be listed on the site. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:57, 31 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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#As mentioned in my short comment, I don't feel a need to keep every build of Android listed on the site. We don't allow update builds for Windows, so why Android? Sorry for the poor typing, am tired. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 17:57, 31 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 17:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 17:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== About Sounds ==<br />
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Do you guys think we should add sounds? -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''13:14, 2 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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#I don't see a valid reason to add sounds to this wiki. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 13:15, 2 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 13:16, 2 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Norman|MShinoda8768]] 13:17, 2 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
#Why. -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 22:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Discord server? ==<br />
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i see the link for discord but the invite is invalid, is it still around or has it been discontinued? {{Unsigned|Generaaleric}}<br />
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== About 355x builds ==<br />
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Why arent 355x Builds listed? There are files in other builds (EX: 4088 references 3551) that confirm that the 355x builds existed, so should we add them? I thought of this because lots of unknown Neptune builds have files in [[Windows Me|Windows Millenium Edition Betas]], and why not in longhorn? -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''13:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:These files aren't an accurate method of proving a build is real. As for Neptune, the pages do say <code> but it is unknown whether this Neptune build was ever compiled.</code>. I would assume Neptune is a special case with how little info we have about other builds. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 13:30, 8 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Because they're just Server 2003 build tags with major/minor version 6.0. They're not Longhorn builds. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 22:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:File versions aren't really the best source of evidence we have, that's why we tend to not use them as a source. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 22:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Questions page ==<br />
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We should have a page to ask questions, Ill give and example of a wiki question: "Am I allowed to make a page called User:Beta Kiwi/Windows 4.0?" Another page (or the same page) Could be dedicated to Windows Questions such as: "Why is Windows Neptune 5111.6 Not Listed?". If not, I may make one on my page, still deciding if it should be in a testing room, or something else -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''13:23, 9 September 2021 (UTC)~'''</span><br />
:You're literally on the page intended for that... --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 22:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::This is a page for Community Questions, like do you want me to say "Should I add text onto my user page" and people will oppose/suppose it?? -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''22:54, 9 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:::Well if it's stuff related to your user page then use your user talk page for that. The other question that comes to mind is whether anyone cares in first place, not to mention that you're not really contributing to the wiki if your editing is restrained to the user space and the staff will take note of that. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 22:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::You are correct on that -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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== Boot Screens ==<br />
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Should we replace Boot screens with animated GIF images? I feel like it would be cool to have it so when I open lets say, The Windows xp RTM, instaid of a basic image of the boot screen itself, we would have a boot screen including the animated bar! -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:No, GIFs are way too limited for that. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 23:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:why. -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 23:28, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Gifs would prolly work for win95 to vista [[User:Norman|MikeShinoda2001 (Norman)]] 23:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::And there is a site where you can turn clips from youtube videos into GIF files, so theres some hours saved -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
:::The size limitations in place pretty much restricts such gifs from being uploaded. Plus, I don't see a valid reason to have gifs of them when still images work just fine. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 13:14, 15 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::I will add some boot screens to [[Windows XP]], revert if you guys dont like it, again this is a test to size limits, because if we can add this and it only takes up about 1000 something bytes, then that would be arund 10k bytes from 95 >> Vista (they are a bit more high-quality with no watermark) -<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''23:20, 21 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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===Support===<br />
I will donate some terabytes if needed--<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta Kiwi'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''01:11, 22 September 2021 (UTC)'''</span><br />
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===Oppose===<br />
#Would just be a waste of our time dealing with this. Everything is fine as is. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 01:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Page for BSD and its derivatives ==<br />
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We've already got a page about Linux, so what about BSD? It also plays an important role in UNIX family. --[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 12:26, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
==Renaming Server MN and FE==<br />
Should we rename all server build pages from builds 19504 to 20282 to Windows Server 2022? I am asking this here because in the past, my suggestion was rejected. I think renaming them to server 2022 would make sense as we have not seen any builds of server cobalt or nickel. Example would look like this: Windows Server 2022 build 19504 [[Special:Contributions/Norman|MikeShinoda2001 (Norman)]] 23:05, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:What does Cobalt or Nickel have to do with this?? Personally I would only rename LTSC builds starting with 20201, since these are explicitly labeled as "builds of the next LTSC channel release" i.e. Server 2022 --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:38, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Outside of mentions in update files (cobalt 21292.1010 and 21337.1010), there were no publically released builds of server cobalt and nickel. Windows server 2022 has been out for a while now and i think it would make sense to rename 19504 to 20282 server 2022. [[Special:Contributions/60.241.87.109|60.241.87.109]] 14:45, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::Cool and how does the fact there are no known Cobalt or Nickel builds justify renaming Iron and Manganese to Server 2022? --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:47, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
::::[https://docs.microsoft.com/en-au/windows-server/get-started/windows-server-release-info SAC server is dead], there is only ltsc from server 2022 onwards. Also on this site, manganese and iron server are now set up to redirect to server 2022 [[Special:Contributions/60.241.87.109|60.241.87.109]] 14:51, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
#[[Special:Contributions/Norman|MikeShinoda2001 (Norman)]] 23:05, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br />
#-<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''Beta (Beta Kiwi)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #1ec7ff; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #58d6ff;">'''(Talk)'''</span> <span style="font-size: 14px; color: #DC143C; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffbfcc, 0 0 20px #ffbfcc;">'''[[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Choose]] '''</span><span style="font-size: 14px; color: #ebc600; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #ffd700, 0 0 20px #ffd700;">'''13:28, 15 September 2021 (UTC)~'''</span><br />
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== Purge all non-Windows related content ==<br />
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Let's just point out the elephant in the room. All non-Windows stuff on the wiki gets literally no activity besides one or two users. There's also many other wikis for the non-Windows stuff we cover, such as [https://theiphonewiki.com The iPhone Wiki] for iOS, [https://apple.fandom.com Apple Wiki] for Mac related stuff, and [https://distrowatch.com DistroWatch] for literally everything Linux related. The game articles (that aren't Windows games) are relatively useless as well, great example being the legendary Create with Garfield article, which has since been deleted, as there's Wikipedia pages for many of these already, and [https://tcrf.net The Cutting Room Floor] and [https://hiddenpalace.org The Hidden Palace] exist for this wiki's exact scope, but obviously for games instead. I don't know about you, but when I think of BetaWiki, I think of Windows, and Windows betas, not Mac or Linux betas. {{Unsigned|Orbitron}}<br />
:lol you would have to rename the wiki to "WindowsBetaWiki" because if that was ever put into place, it would be only about windows betas [[User:Norman|MikeShinoda2001 (Norman)]] 03:33, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::What? I'm saying to keep anything Windows related, such as built in games and apps, it wouldn't just be Windows betas. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 03:35, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::is that an excuse for keeping a backlog of old abanadonned articles? the [[Half-Life 2]] articles have had 4 major edits in the past 6 years. -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 03:38, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I don't see why would you have to rename the wiki if it's still about betas. We are a Windows-centric wiki already, we would just stop trying to be a general wiki and just focus on our biggest strength. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 15:10, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:I love how a lot of people are opposing this yet they aren’t editing non-Windows articles. Why have a backlog of abandoned articles? -[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 13:22, 13 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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This debate has been bought up a lot here since the last few years I've been here and I get that some areas aren't fully updated at all points. Yes, I do agree there are sections that should be removed, but I don't believe everything that is non-Windows should be removed. Here's my opinion on this:<br />
: '''Remove all game articles''' for any game that isn't pre-installed in any of the Windows/macOS systems. The Cutting Room Floor and Hidden Palace already does a better job documenting games and most of the game articles we had in the past is only fluff and just there because people want to add changelogs to games they like.<br />
: '''Remove [[IOP OS]]'''. WiiBrew Wiki suits this better.<br />
: '''Remove [[iOS]] and [[Android]] and their respective version pages'''. Rarely documents betas and only OEM stuff. Better suited for updated wikis. Do note however, that the listed Apple Wiki is far from a good wiki to source anything, and will stand far any wiki hosted on Wikia/FANDOM.<br />
: '''Remove the version pages for all Linux distros (such as [[Ubuntu 15.04]], [[Fedora 15]], etc.), alongside main pages for less notable Linux distros'''. We can probably keep a few noteworthy Linux distros such as [[Ubuntu]] and [[Debian]] alongside the main [[Linux]] page itself, but the version pages itself are usually fluff with no beta related content in there. DistroWatch ''isn't'' a full on wiki for documenting Linux distro betas, so we can probably have a gallery for the beta versions of a few distros while also removing the versions without known beta versions.<br />
: '''Remove all non-Windows or Apple pre-installed applications, such as [[Google Chrome]] and [[Mozilla Firefox]]'''. Pointless fluff with nothing related to betas documented here. [[Microsoft Office]] is also rarely documented, and should be removed if no one is willing to update it further.<br />
: '''Remove any remaining less important OSes I haven't listed as keep below'''. This includes [[BeOS]], [[Haiku]], [[Apple DOS]], [[TempleOS]], [[NeXTSTEP]], [[Novell NetWare]], and [[EComStation]] to name a few.<br />
: '''Keep [[MS-DOS]] and similar IBM equivalents back in the day such as [[86-DOS]]'''. They form the basis for Windows in early years and are well documented as it is.<br />
: '''Keep [[OS/2]]'''. OS/2 betas isn't documented anywhere better and is responsible for forming a basis that would create Windows NT. Some remaining build pages can be finished and I might be able to get on work for those. Alongside, builds before Warp 4 are already well documented.<br />
: '''Keep [[macOS]]'''. As I have stated above, the Apple Wiki on FANDOM is not a good wiki to host information about these builds. It barely hosts any data on the beta builds, has a non-existent administration so will likely be vandalized from WNR wannabes, and overall hosted on a less reliable host (using FANDOM is basically impossible without making an account there as you will get bombarded by ads and malicious bloat). The only reason why Apple builds aren't well documented is because of the different hardware required for these builds that are harder to emulate than Windows builds. [[QEMU]] has recently gotten updates to support and run 68k builds and all versions before Mac OS X 10.5 is well documented as far as it is. I might be fine removing the update builds until all of the beta builds are done, but I believe that the macOS builds do gain a slight amount of attention and should stay for the meantime until a better wiki can be found to host it.<br />
:: If anyone needs help installing these builds, I could create a sandbox guide that will list how you can be able to accomplish installation on these builds. Also, there's also a good reason why ia64/Alpha builds of Windows aren't well documented here.<br />
While I do get the incentive to host only one type of version because it is the only one active, most of the versions I listed as keep are those that have already been well documented as of currently and if anything, only the later builds of those listed OSes are the only ones lacking build pages and can be finished through until someone can provide a better wiki suited for those that are willing to document these betas there. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 15:15, 9 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
:That does seem like a good compromise to me, although personally I would leave all open source software out, so that means all Linux distros. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 16:35, 9 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
#[[User:Gamerappa|Gamerappa]] ([[User talk:Gamerappa|talk]]) 03:31, 2 October 2021 (UTC) (I deleted create with garfield)<br />
#As Orbi has said, there are better sites for Apple/Linux products and games outside of Windows. Android has virtually no edits to it and version pages end up just having OEM revisions added. MacOS pages have one or two editors who just add in builds, create a basic page and that's it. Linux pages are even worse with most distros not having a page. Not to mention the obvious, majority of the traffic to this site are to pages relating to Windows. [[User:Xeno|Xeno]] ([[User talk:Xeno|talk]]) 11:47, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#As per the general conversation last night/early this morning. Apple products have their own specialized communities, and each Linux distro has its forum, abandonware or not. The point is, most of these non-Windows/DOS and non-Microsoft articles just aren't maintained and take up too much dead space on the wiki. For games and other random applications, I also heavily support purging for the same reasons - each game has its own Fandom wiki. If you want to talk about those, go there to find a group of like-minded people, and don't be the sole contributor of a BetaWiki article for something you're not going to come back to. [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 12:00, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#Windows gets the most focus and attraction here while macOS and Linux gets barely any. There are indeed other websites that people can go to and edit if they so choose to, so I don't see a reason to keep the pages that aren't related to Windows here. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 15:20, 2 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#When I checked [[BetaWiki:About|this page]], it actually mentioned some Windows-related communities. BetaWiki is '''WindowsWiki''' (Windows-centric wiki). ''Since its founding in 2013, the wiki has grown to become the largest source of information on pre-release builds of Windows.'' [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 08:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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#were called Beta Wiki, not Windows wiki, plus, I wasted lots of time on iOS and macOS pages. -Beta Kiwi [[User:Beta Kiwi/Choose|Start Button]] 20:25, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:We're called BetaWiki because we document betas, removing all non-Windows related content from this wiki wouldn't erase the main focus, which is obviously betas. Plus, if you even bothered to read the comments made here, then you'd realise that this has already been addressed. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 20:42, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::"BetaWiki shouldn't focus on what drives 99% of its traffic" is a rather ''interesting'' assertion to make. [[User:Starfrost|Starfrost]] ([[User talk:Starfrost|talk]]) 21:02, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::That's not what I was saying..? [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 21:05, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::Nevermind, just realised what you meant. Yeah, I made that assertion because I intepreted them saying "were called Beta Wiki, not Windows wiki" as them implying that the wiki would have to be renamed to "Windows wiki" if all non-Windows related content were to be removed. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 21:14, 7 October 2021 (UTC)``<br />
# We are called BetaWiki, not WindowsWiki. This is like if BetaArchive removed all non-Windows content, it would need to be called "WindowsArchive" Plus, Me, BetaKiwi and Johndoe123 work on iOS Articles, we should have Non-Windows content as long as there is betas. [[User:Orangera1n|Orangera1n]] ([[User Talk:Orangera1n|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Orangera1n|contribs]])<br />
#:I really fail to see how is the name thing anywhere near relevant -- Windows betas are still betas, so the name would still apply. I want you all to think about the gist of the change, rather than just reject it purely because the site has a certain name. I don't take "we are called BetaWiki" as a valid argument. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 23:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::We could just diversify our documentation [[User:Orangera1n|Orangera1n]] ([[User Talk:Orangera1n|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Orangera1n|contribs]]) <br />
#:::Far easier said than done. - [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 00:37, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::Problem with that is you need to find more users that are ACTUALLY interested in non windows oses [[User:MikeShinoda2001|MikeShinoda2001]] ([[User talk:MikeShinoda2001|talk]]) 00:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:MikeShinoda2001|MikeShinoda2001]] ([[User talk:MikeShinoda2001|talk]]) 23:44, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
# afaik the wikis mentioned above did not have information in ''build'' level so at least these information on BetaWiki have their uniqueness. [[User:CI611|CI611]] ([[User talk:CI611|talk]]) 00:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:But does BetaWiki even have this information? Most of the pages for software other than Windows remains untouched, with articles uncreated. It's just a list of strings. No information. A list. - [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 00:13, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:: I definitely edited the entire Mac OS 8 page, and I remember that Mac OS X Developer Preview page is very complete... [[User:CI611|CI611]] ([[User talk:CI611|talk]]) 01:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::: What we're trying to say here is that the Windows articles get much more traffic, therefore that's what we should be focusing on. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 01:58, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 14:50, 8 October 2021 (UTC) We are BetaWiki, not WindowsWiki. Betas of Mac OS, Linux, are equally important as Windows betas. Thus we need to keep them.<br />
#:Read my original argument. Windows and Microsoft related products get all the traffic, therefore I and many other people feel we need to focus on. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:52, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::Did you forget our goal? Go to Main Page and you will find the definition of BetaWiki. "An open encyclopedia of software history". Yes, "Software history", not "Windows history". JaGoTu and BF10 have devoted to reach this goal, and now we are going to destroy all? --[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 12:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::Add: BetaWiki should be focused on Windows, but that doesn't mean we need to abandon others. Imagine you're in a garden with flowers around. Then you want to cut all the leaves just because they are not flowers. Ridiculous? But that's just what they want to do.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 12:35, 9 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::Flowers need leaves since they are the part of the plant that sustains photosynthesis. On the other side, we don't necessarily need non-Windows content. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:45, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::No we need. We need introductions and information of virtualization softwares to help new betaers understand the basic theory of Windows betas, and basic operating system theories to assist the newcomers. There are still lots of MacOS and Linux betas, which belongs to beta circle. BetaArchive has an area to discuss and share information of these non-Windows relatives, and why we can't? DistroWatch - they sometimes offer information which is not trusted and even provide false ones. So in this situation BetaWiki acts as a platform providing real and trusted knowledge with justice and fair. Thus, these non-Windows pages also play significant roles in BetaWiki.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:14, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::First, we are not BetaArchive. Neither are we a forum. Not to mention the non-Windows sections on BA are pretty much dead. Second, how is DistroWatch being questionable our business in the first place? And no, BetaWiki does not act as such a platform, because the "real and trusted knowledge" is not there to begin with. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 10:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::I'd like to add a bit more things. Non-Windows pages takes up some space of server storage, which needs to be considered for a server runner, but simply deleting or purging them will produce too many logs, which also takes even more space. So it's not worth doing it, and it will also comsumes unnecessary CPU and memory costs. Even if only one person would see these pages, at least these information helps one people. And that's just enough.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::Yes. There is '''no way''' for permanently deleting it. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 03:14, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::Sorry, but that's probably the most pathetic argument in this discussion. ''You can't change because you would have to work in order to achieve that change.'' --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 10:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#<s>''BetaWiki is a collaborative open encyclopedia that documents the history and evolution of '''popular operating systems''' and applications.'' - Windows is '''not''' the only popular operating system. Linux and macOS are also popular. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 12:16, 9 October 2021 (UTC)</s> [EDIT: Now supporting, not opposing. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 08:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)]<br />
#:Thank you both Nara and GT610 for repeating this absolutely irrelevant argument. You're basically saying that the mission of BetaWiki can't be changed because the new mission would be different from the current one. ''You can't change because that means you would change.'' --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#Of course, Windows is going to remain on top when it comes to public interest in its development history - especially when it has the lions share of the desktop market, though I don't think popularity should be the driving metric in determining what gets to stay. There's plenty of non-Windows pre-release media that I am personally interested in. For instance, I've wanted to learn more about the development of Half-Life since availabilility of pre-release media for that game is quite barren, especially when compared to Half-Life 2. And from what I see, TCRF doesn't keep a handy list of what versions are known to exist. Having the list would surely help others in identifying what builds of the game are known to exist. Without such lists, that interest that sparked in me probably wouldn't have happened, and I wouldn't have noticed this "half-life alpha v 0.61" tag in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEtu45Nttj0&t=767s this particular video]. To have those articles removed would definently surpress public consciousness and interest, as I can't find any other pages that solely lists those builds in order. I've also planned on delving more into OS/2 and Mac territory at some point when I've finished the bulk of Windows builds from Windows 1.0 to about Windows 7 on my website. And that combined with my regular activity on BetaWiki would surely go to good use on improving those particular articles. So from my perspective, just because something gets the bulk of attention shouldn't mean that all other articles have to go. The Internet all too often strugles with the concept that something may not interest a particular group of people, but can have value to others. --[[User:Blue Horizon|Blue Horizon]] ([[User talk:Blue Horizon|talk]]) 12:47, 9 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:Thank you for your opinion. This is not really driven by popularity, but it's rather an acknowledgement that the non-Windows content does not hold up to the rest in both quality and quantity. Unfortunately that's a result of the wiki coming from the Windows beta community in the first place. This isn't a change that would happen overnight either, as the exact scope would need to be thoroughly defined. I wouldn't mind including MS-DOS and OS/2 for example, since they are both an important part of Windows history in a way. I do want to put up a backup of the contents prior to removal of the affected articles on the Internet Archive or a similar site, as I believe it's still worth its place on the Internet. Perhaps it will even encourage somebody to create a similar wiki by taking our content as a starter set and hopefully attract other communities to it. And even if this change does not entirely happen, I think we should sit down and think about what we want to focus on, since I am sure we don't want to become distrowatch wiki either --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 14:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::I wouldn't lose sleep over some things like iOS and Android being removed, as I'm not into those systems myself. Though for other niche articles like games and various applications, archiving those articles is something I would be fine with. While there are times I find Windows interesting above all else, I do like to give other non-Microsoft products a go once in a while. I at least have my website to share those endeavors and information with others, so at least that can be something to fall back on should this wiki remove such articles. --[[User:Blue Horizon|Blue Horizon]] ([[User talk:Blue Horizon|talk]]) 21:18, 14 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::The problem with Android is that there is no single Android, so I don't even know where do these versions even come from. Apple systems have their own active community and most of our pages about macOS and iOS just say when a build was released to the public. Even the countless Windows 10 build articles have more information in them. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 10:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::Maybe just split betawiki into two, one half on windows and the other half on other oses like macos, linux and other oses etc. How will this work out? [[User:MikeShinoda2001|MikeShinoda2001]] ([[User talk:MikeShinoda2001|talk]]) 11:02, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::::Probably we can get together and run another Wiki that is independent from the current one, holding MacOS and Linux pages. And then the current one can be used to focus on Windows things.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 14:47, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::::::What? Other wikis exist for this stuff. That was my original argument for this. Go there if you want to edit macOS and Linux articles. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:52, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::::::But, they ''can'' provide false information. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 14:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::::::::So can BetaWiki. Edit the articles if you think they contain false information. That's the whole point of editing a wiki. [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 14:58, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::::::::Experts on BetaWiki will stop false information spreading as soon as possible, but capitalists won't.--[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:01, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::::::::::Yes. I just want to support GT610. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 15:03, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:::::::::::::Capitalists? What? Also, there's nothing stopping you from just removing the false information, I don't know what's hard to understand about that [[User:Orbitron|Orbitron]] ([[User talk:Orbitron|talk]]) 15:05, 15 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
#::::::::::::::I think what they're trying to say is that the aforementioned wikis basically has a non-existent moderation due to being abandoned by majority. You can already tell how well a non-moderated wiki ends up with. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 15:34, 9 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#[[User:Idontknowwhatusernameiwanttoput|Idontknowwhatusernameiwanttoput]] ([[User talk:Idontknowwhatusernameiwanttoput|talk]]) 19:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC) I think games and applications that are not included with an operating system doesn’t have their place here but Operating Systems and applications that are included in these can stay.<br />
#I think getting rid of ''all'' non-windows content would be a step too far. Pruning some stuff makes sense. I don't think the Linux articles add much value for example - mostly it's just a list of distros with release versions - low amount of content and not relevant to '''Beta'''Wiki. I think we just need to look at which sections have a good base to build off, and which are just too large a task to be taken on. [[User:Hounsell|Hounsell]] ([[User talk:Hounsell|talk]]) 09:53, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:I agree. Some articles are unnecessary, but there are also Linux articles with great quality, which is of value to keep it. We can just throw off some low quality "trash", and keep the "diamonds".<br />
#:I've also found some articles which are currently less contents but have a potential to be great ones - For example, some Deepin, UOS or other distributions - these I think we need to, and we can keep it and improve it to better, comprehensive ones. --[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:Wait... My opinion is that we can throw out Firefox, for example. As Android and Linux articles are large works and cannot be done in one day, we can just improve them to make them better. If they really need to ne removed please give us some time to backup our works. --[[User:GT610|GT610 &#124; Sorry for my poor English!]] ([[User talk:GT610|talk]]) 15:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:I highly support this type of decision, and that we should selectively remove less important material. I have listed most pages that should be removed above. [[User:BF10|BF10]] ([[User talk:BF10|talk]]) 15:34, 9 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
#:Yes! I absolutely support this. - [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 20:57, 15 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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==Window shadow==<br />
How do you make screenshots of windows (not the os) show shadows in the photo? [[User:WaterMelon|WaterMelon]] ([[User talk:WaterMelon|talk]]) 18:20, 7 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Use AeroShot. ヾ(•ω•`)o Hi. I'm [[User:SamCool939|SamCool939]]. ([[User talk:SamCool939|talk]]) 15:14, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
::Ok thanks. Where can I get AeroShot? [[User:WaterMelon|WaterMelon]] ([[User talk:WaterMelon|talk]]) 15:56, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::[https://github.com/Cvolton/AeroShotCRE You can get it here.] ヾ(•ω•`)o Hi. I'm [[User:SamCool939|SamCool939]]. ([[User talk:SamCool939|talk]]) 16:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== i can't sign up and can't use discord ==<br />
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got this question What kernel function implements the Blue Screen of Death on Windows NT? i have no idea bro. signed up to discord using the link and i do not see the server, does it even exist? {{Unsigned|2A0B:F4C1:2:0:0:0:0:243}}<br />
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== What's wrong with the NFO file of [[Windows 2000 build 2195.1]]? ==<br />
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I don't know why the abuse filter is annoying with the "Addition of repetitive content" error message. [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 19:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
:It might be because of the ASCII art that's present in the file. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jurta|contribs]]) 19:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Should Android (Surface Duo variant) be renamed to Android 10 (Surface Duo variant)? ==<br />
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The Duo 2 runs Android 11 instead of 10, and an upgrade is also planned for the original Duo. The emulator has been [https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dual-screen/android/emulator/release-notes#20219225-september-23th-2021 updated] too.<br />
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I think the current Duo variant page should be left for Android 10, and an Android 11 page should be created. [[User:Th3userscene|Th3userscene]] ([[User talk:Th3userscene|talk]]) 09:28, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Windows Neptune ==<br />
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If BetaWiki makes Windows Builds that are seen in source codes,then why are all the Neptune builds apart from 5056, 5111.1 and 5000 confirmed but not leaked? {{unsigned|TechActivate 781}}<br />
:Because, uh, they are not leaked??? --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 19:49, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
:I believe this comes from a misunderstanding. A build with files of a file version ''is not'' leaked; on the other hand, one that has been shared, publicly leaked, or otherwise dumped ''is'' leaked. - [[User:Rhinozz|Rhinozz]] ([[User talk:Rhinozz|talk]]) 19:52, 8 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
What I mean, is that why are they unconfirmed, they should be confirmed but not leaked. {{unsigned|TechActivate 781}}<br />
:Because they're not confirmed according to our policy. A file version found in another build alone is not proof of existence. --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 17:42, 12 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Protect Windows 12 page ==<br />
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Protect Windows 12 page. - [[User:WinHEC2009|WinHEC2009]]<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
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What is the Windows 12 Page? {{unsigned|TechActivate 781}}<br />
:It's a page about a version that may or may not be released in far future. Having a page which doesn't serve any purpose will be non-sense. So this page should be protected. Same goes to the Copper page, there're no any confirmed builds. {{Unsigned|31.200.107.15}}<br />
::Windows 12 isn't a thing; let's not try to break the WNR rule.<br />
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::See [[BW:GUIDE]]. - [[User:Pivotman319|pivotman319]] ([[User_talk:Pivotman319|📫]]) 12:29, 16 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::It may be released in future. But it doesn't exist for now. {{Unsigned|31.200.107.15}}<br />
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== Please you can create a page? ==<br />
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Do you can create an [[Vandalism on BetaWiki]] page? {{unsigned|78.180.102.18}}<br />
:No, why? --{{User:Ryuzaki/Signature}} 02:24, 18 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
:::There was a sandbox, but its protected (sorry if i have added this wrong, i don't understand the editor much, also i dont know how to add a username)<br />
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== About <nowiki>{{lowercase}}</nowiki> template ==<br />
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Why do we use this for some macOS pages? It causes an additional empty line. [[User:Bubblebeam|Bubblebeam]] ([[User talk:Bubblebeam|talk]]) 22:01, 24 November 2021 (UTC)<br />
:And sadly, I can't fix the template. [[User:Nara Insider|WinInsider]] ([[User talk:Nara Insider|talk]]) 00:46, 25 November 2021 (UTC)</div>90.155.76.234https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Blue_screen_of_death&diff=180526Blue screen of death2021-11-18T22:02:21Z<p>90.155.76.234: /* Windows 8 and later */typo fix</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Windows component<br />
|name = Blue Screen of Death<br />
|screenshot = Windows11-10.0.22449.1000-BSOD.png<br />
|caption = Blue screen of death in [[Windows 11 build 22000.346]]<br />
|type = error screen<br />
|introduced in = [[Windows 3.0]]<br>[[Windows NT 3.1 October 1991 build]]<br />
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A '''blue screen of death''' (also known as the '''blue screen''', '''bug check''', or '''Stop error''')<ref name="MSBugcheckDocs">Microsoft Docs. [https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/devtest/interpreting-a-bug-check-code Interpreting a Bug Check Code], 20 April 2017.</ref> is a common name for the screen that occurs during a system crash in [[Microsoft Windows]] operating systems. It is shown when the operating system can no longer function safely due to a fatal system error.<br />
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==History==<br />
===Early versions===<br />
Contrary to popular belief, [[Windows 1.0]] and [[Windows 2.x]] did not have a crash screen. When early Windows is run on a newer version of [[MS-DOS]], it will print out an "Incorrect DOS version" error message, followed by garbled contents of the memory during the boot before loading into the Windows shell, which is often thought to be a crash screen, however, it is only a bug in the logo code. Whenever Windows did crash, it often resulted in a system hang or the shell returning back into DOS.<br />
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A modal dialog for displaying important system messages was first introduced in [[Windows 3.0]] and was mostly used by virtual device drivers in 386 enhanced mode. This was a full screen message in text mode, which suspended Windows until being dismissed by the user. Initially, it used a black background, although [[Windows 3.1]] later changed it to blue. The look of the modal dialog was virtually unchanged through the rest of the classic Windows series.<br />
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In Windows 3.x, this was mostly used in situations where a program couldn't continue running until the user resolved an issue, such as device conflicts or disk swaps.<ref>https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20140909-00/?p=44123</ref> However, severe system errors still caused Windows to exit back to MS-DOS, similarly to the older versions. The interface was also used for a simple task manager in Windows 3.1, which could be invoked by pressing {{Key press|Ctrl|Alt|Del}} while running Windows in the 386 enhanced mode. The task manager allowed the user to terminate an unresponsive program, or if there's no unresponsive programs, simply allow the user to exit the screen or press {{Key press|Ctrl|Alt|Del}} again to reboot the system. Steve Ballmer wrote the original message for the Task Manager warning.<ref>https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20140902-00/?p=93</ref><br />
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===Windows 9x ===<br />
[[Windows 95]] and later uses the modal interface to report severe system errors instead of exiting to DOS, which earned it the ''blue screen of death'' nickname. Windows 9x is unique in that it allows the user to continue after a system error, although it often resulted in an unstable system.<ref>https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20140910-00/?p=44113</ref> The interface was also used in early [[Windows 98]] builds for ACPI subsystem errors, which notably used a red background instead of blue. Early builds of [[Windows Me]] briefly replaced the "It is now safe to turn off your computer" with a blue screen at one point.<br />
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===Windows NT===<br />
On Windows NT, blue screens are also commonly known as STOP errors, referring to the <code>*** STOP</code> label that introduces the error code. The first known build to implement a blue screen is the [[Windows NT 3.1 October 1991 build|October 1991 build]] of [[Windows NT 3.1]]. Earlier builds merely print the error code to a debugger, if attached, and trigger a breakpoint in an infinite loop. According to John Vert, the developer who originally wrote the code in the NT kernel that was responsible for controlling the screen in text mode, the white-on-blue color was chosen in order to match the MIPS' firmware display, as well as the default color scheme of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlickEdit SlickEdit] text editor many NT developers used at the time.<ref>https://www.quora.com/Who-designed-the-original-Windows-Blue-Screen-of-Death</ref><br />
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Initially, a system crash only resulted in the error code being printed out to the screen, although later during Windows NT 3.1 development it was extended to also display the stack trace and a list of loaded drivers and their base addresses. From [[Windows 2000 build 1796.1]] onwards, the message was simplified to only include possible instructions for the user should they encounter the blue screen and now renders in 640x480 graphics mode instead of 80x50 text mode. The font was changed to Lucida Console in [[Windows XP build 2474]].<br />
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During the development of [[Windows 8]], the blue screen underwent many significant changes. Around [[Windows 8 build 7814|build 7814]], the blue screen was updated to support higher resolutions using VBE 2.0 and anti-aliasing. At first, this updated blue screen only appeared if the system crashed at boot, however, by the time of [[Windows 8 build 7880|build 7880]] it was used for all bug checks. It would be quickly replaced to a more simplified black screen in [[Windows 8 build 7899|build 7899]]. The screen was redesigned in [[Windows 8 build 8045|build 8045]] to include a sad emoticon.<ref group="note">The sad emoticon is not displayed in server builds or Japanese language builds.</ref> The background color was later changed to a shade of cerulean in [[Windows 8 build 8064|build 8064]].<br />
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In [[Windows 10 build 14316.1000]], a QR code was added to the blue screen, linking to Microsoft's website for diagnosing blue screen errors. Starting by [[Windows 10 build 14993|build 14993]], the background color was changed to green for [[Windows Insider Program|Insider builds]] together with a slight wording change in order to be able to quickly distinguish between Insider and production build bug reports. In [[Windows 10 May 2020 Update]] and above, the message was altered to refer to the user's device as opposed to the user's PC.<br />
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The default background color for bug checks was changed in [[Windows 11 build 22000.51]] from blue to black, although the green color remained for users in the Insider program. The change was later reverted with build [[Windows 11 build 22000.346|22000.346]], although a darker shade of blue is now used. The QR code was also dropped for server builds starting with [[Windows Server build 22463]].<br />
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==Implementation==<br />
In classic Windows, the blue screen is implemented by the <code>SHELL_SYSMODAL_Message</code> routine in the Shell VxD. The routine temporarily halts the system and then proceeds to tell the display driver to switch the display to text mode. It sets the background and foreground color, clears the screen and displays the message. It then waits for a valid keypress before switching back to graphics mode and resuming operation. On Windows 9x, it is most commonly called from <code>VWIN32_BlueScreenPopup</code> in <code>VWIN32.VXD</code>, which displayed the infamous message about an occurring exception.<br />
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The blue screen on NT-based systems is implemented in the <code>KeBugCheck</code> and <code>KeBugCheckEx</code> functions, which are contained in the kernel executable. The difference between the two functions is that the former accepts only the bugcheck code as an integer parameter, while the latter also accepts four more integers as bugcheck parameter codes, which can have different meaning depending on the bug check code. A component running in kernel mode can call either function to bring the system down in controlled manner if it detects a fatal uncorrectable error that can lead to data corruption.<ref>https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/ddi/ntddk/nf-ntddk-kebugcheck</ref><ref>https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/ddi/wdm/nf-wdm-kebugcheckex</ref> The respective function then takes care of switching to a compatible video mode, rendering the blue screen itself, saving a memory dump, and, if enabled, restarting the system.<br />
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User mode processes can also trigger a bug check if they hold the shutdown privilege by using the <code>NtRaiseHardError</code> system call in <code>ntdll.dll</code> with the <code>OPTION_SHUTDOWN_SYSTEM</code> flag, which transitions the system to kernel mode and then triggers a <code>FATAL_UNHANDLED_HARD_ERROR</code> bug check.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
===Classic Windows===<br />
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File:Windows 3.0.55 Swap File Warning.png|Corrupt swap file warning in [[Windows 3.0 build 55]]<br />
File:Windows31-3.1.043e-CtrlAltDelWarning.png|Task Manager warning in [[Windows 3.1 build 043e]]<br />
File:Windows31Build68TaskManWarning.PNG|Task Manager warning in [[Windows 3.1 build 068]]<br />
File:Windows31-RTM-TaskManagerWarning.png|Task Manager warning in [[Windows 3.1]]<br />
File:Windows-ME-4.90.3000-Crash.png|System crash in [[Windows 95]] and [[Windows 98]]<br />
File:WindowsMemphis-4.10.1400-RSOD.png|ACPI error in [[Windows 98 build 1400]]<br />
File:Windows ME Beta Safe to Shutdown.png|Safe to shutdown screen in [[Windows Me build 2332.2|Windows Me builds 2332.2]] to [[Windows Me build 2419|2419]]<br />
File:Windows ME BSOD.png|System crash in [[Windows Me]]<br />
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===Windows NT 4.0 and earlier===<br />
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File:WindowsNT31-October1991-BSOD.png|System crash in [[Windows NT 3.1 October 1991 build|the October 1991 build of Windows NT 3.1]]<br />
File:WindowsNT3.1-3.1.340-BSOD.png|System crash in [[Windows NT 3.1 build 340.1]]<br />
File:WindowsNT3.1-BSOD.png|System crash in [[Windows NT 3.1]]<br />
File:WindowsNT35-3.5.782-BSOD.png|System crash in [[Windows NT 3.5x]], and [[Windows NT 4.0]]<br />
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===Windows 2000 to Windows 7===<br />
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File:Windows2000-5.0.1796.1-stoperror.png|System crash in [[Windows 2000 build 1796.1]] and [[Windows 2000 build 1814.1]]<br />
File:Windows2000-5.0.1848-BSOD.png|System crash in [[Windows 2000 build 1835.1]]<br />
File:Windows2000-5.0.1906-BSOD.png|System crash in [[Windows 2000 build 1906.1]]<br />
File:Win2000BSoD.PNG|System crash in [[Windows 2000]]<br />
File:WindowsXP-5.1.2462-SystemCrash.png|System crash in [[Windows XP build 2446]]<br />
File:WindowsXP-5.1.2474-SystemCrash.png|System crash in [[Windows XP build 2474]]<br />
File:WindowsXP7BSOD.png|System crash from [[Windows XP]] till [[Windows 7]]<br />
File:7880-crash.png|System crash in [[Windows 8 build 7814]] till [[Windows 8 build 7880]]<br />
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===Windows 8 and later===<br />
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File:7899-bsod.png|System crash in Windows 8 builds [[Windows 8 build 7899|7899]] to [[Windows 8 build 7963|7963]]<br />
File:Windows8-6.2.7973-core1-BSOD.png|System crash in Windows 8 builds [[Windows 8 build 7973 (fbl core2 sid data)|7973]] to [[Windows 8 build 8032|8032]]<br />
File:Windows8-6.2.8056-BSOD.png|System crash in [[Windows 8 build 8045]] and [[Windows 8 build 8056|8056]]<br />
File:Windows8-6.2.8102-BSOD.png|System crash in [[Windows 8 build 8064]] and [[Windows 8 build 8102.101|8102.101]]<br />
File:WindowsServer2012-6.2.8250-BSOD.png|System crash in [[Windows Server 2012 build 8250]]<br />
File:Windows8-RTM-BSOD.png|System crash from [[Windows 8]] till [[Windows 10 November Update]]<br />
File:WindowsServer2012-RTM-BSOD.png|System crash in [[Windows Server 2012]] and [[Windows Server 2012 R2]]<br />
File:Win10-1607bsod.png|System crash in [[Windows 10 Anniversary Update]] till [[Windows 10 November 2019 Update]]<br />
File:WindowsServer2016-RTM-BSOD.png|System crash from [[Windows Server 2016]] till [[Windows Server 2022]]<br />
File:Win10GSOD.png|System crash in most Insider Preview builds since [[Windows 10 build 14993]]<br />
File:WindowsServerGSOD.png|System crash in most server Insider Preview builds since [[Windows Server build 16203]]<br />
File:Win10v2004BSOD.png|System crash in [[Windows 10 May 2020 Update]] and later feature updates<br />
File:Win11_22000_BlackScreenOfDeath.png|System crash in [[Windows 11 build 22000.51]] until [[Windows 11 build 22000.318|build 22000.318]]<br />
File:WindowsServerNickel-10.0.22463.1000-BSOD.png|System crash in [[Windows Server build 22463]] and later<br />
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==Notes==<br />
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==References==<br />
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[[Category:Windows components]]</div>90.155.76.234https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=BetaWiki:Sandbox&diff=180524BetaWiki:Sandbox2021-11-18T21:48:09Z<p>90.155.76.234: fake neptune test</p>
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<div>{{Leave this line alone - sandbox heading}}<br />
{{BLItem Fake<br />
|Windows Neptune build 4999|6.0.4999.0}}</div>90.155.76.234https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=BetaWiki:Sandbox&diff=180367BetaWiki:Sandbox2021-11-17T22:02:21Z<p>90.155.76.234: add</p>
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<div>{{Leave this line alone - sandbox heading}}<br />
Windows 9 is fake, just like C:\Windows\System64<br />
does this page get blanked daily?<br />
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh i wonder if i can remember my password</div>90.155.76.234https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=BetaWiki:Sandbox&diff=180366BetaWiki:Sandbox2021-11-17T21:55:52Z<p>90.155.76.234: ad stuf</p>
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<div>{{Leave this line alone - sandbox heading}}<br />
Windows 9 is fake, just like C:\Windows\System64</div>90.155.76.234https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=BetaWiki:Sandbox&diff=180050BetaWiki:Sandbox2021-11-16T22:32:27Z<p>90.155.76.234: sandbox?</p>
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<div>{{Leave this line alone - sandbox heading}}Windows XP Build 2303 is a Windows XP build. It is leaked by Betaworld user WindowsNT on January 13, 2020.<ref>http://wiki.betaworld.cn/Windows_XP_build_2303</ref><br />
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Windows 98(FE) is an os by microsoft released in 1998<br />
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windows 1 cool<br />
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== References ==<br />
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test</div>90.155.76.234https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=BetaWiki:Sandbox&diff=180048BetaWiki:Sandbox2021-11-16T22:26:27Z<p>90.155.76.234: /* References */test?</p>
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<div>{{Leave this line alone - sandbox heading}}Windows XP Build 2303 is a Windows XP build. It is leaked by Betaworld user WindowsNT on January 13, 2020.<ref>http://wiki.betaworld.cn/Windows_XP_build_2303</ref><br />
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== References ==<br />
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test</div>90.155.76.234