BetaWiki:Community portal/Archive 9

GitHub References
While some builds that are mentioned on GitHub come from more than one repository and fall under the acceptable notability guidelines. I believe that the majority are not notable as they just say "Hey, this build exists!", only consist of a build number and don't mention any notable bugs or features. Not to mention that I feel that these build pages clog up their respective OS version pages. Given that most Win10/Win11 updates have recently been removed, I feel like these references should follow suit. Especially since right now, Copper is around 45% GitHub references.

I think there are three potential ways forward: These are just some thoughts I've had over the last few days. Xeno (talk) 21:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Delete and disallow most build references that come from GitHub (This would be extremely unfair)
 * 2) Move the references to a separate page and potentially format them into a table as seen on my sandbox. Table Sandbox (The table is just a personal preference)
 * 3) Keep things as is


 * I think the second option you suggested is the most appropriate solution. It serves to mention that we know these builds exists without having a page for each of them. (I also think this idea can be extended to other "unnotable builds" as well, just a list to reference their existence). • Kiki79250CoC (Talk • Contribs • My Toaster™ specs) 06:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Move Insider service pipeline updates to their respective build pages.
With the high amount of service pipeline updates in the Insider Program, I feel like it would be better to mention these updates on the update's respective OS page rather than have a separate page due to how non-notable the pipeline updates tend to be. Xeno (talk) 17:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Did you make the final decision? Many are supporting.  12:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC) (last edited in 05:03, 4 November 2022 (UTC))

Support

 * 1) Xeno (talk) 17:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) Hanhan188 (talk) 0:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 3) WindowsGuy2021 8:44, 22 July 2022
 * 4) There is too much builds with the service pipelines builds. 2001:F90:40C0:A072:A15D:BFA4:F892:27E3 10:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 5) I mean that's what we did with other updates too. Makes sense to me. -- 10:26, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 6) Just like you did with Windows 8 build 8102.0 (winmain win8m3). - 188.57.51.189 11:50, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 7) See my sandbox: https://betawiki.net/wiki/User:Someone/Sandbox/1 -- 11:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think we can skip adding images for these updates as there's no notable changes. Xeno (talk) 11:10, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe this? Because some update is special￼. Here's my 22581 one: User:Someone/Sandbox/2 -- 03:13, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Skip it just 2001:F90:40C0:A072:6932:F2B1:963E:3AA3 11:57, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) NaraInsider1694 (talk) 01:29, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 3) Yeah, like what happened to Windows 11 build 22478.1012. Brennan1234567890 (Talk page | Contributions) 23:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 4) BHOfficial (talk) 00:28,11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 5) HawHoo(talk 23:18, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 6) Most Windows Insider build updates are designed to test Microsoft's servicing pipeline. 763004 (💬 T | ⏳ S) 20:25, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) NexineTech2022
 * Not an useful comment, because no reasons 11:52, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Windows 7 - Aero on Classic?
My PC theme isnt right. The classic theme has aero on it? The Start Menu and clock was still aero. 2001:F90:40C0:A072:D81B:AE81:10B2:8B25 01:01, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If your theme services is broken, you probably got this Someone (talk) 16:25, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * When I changed back Classic to Aero the taskbar brokens, if I restart, it fixed 2001:F90:40C0:A072:7997:3159:9CE9:853E 00:38, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Want to add image
Hi, I want to add the image of the new Control Panel from my PC to the Windows 11 build 22622.586 gallery. How do I do it?


 * https://betawiki.net/index.php?title=Special:Upload 2001:F90:40C0:A072:F0BB:6989:5D73:103 01:22, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * You need to contribute 10 edits to the wiki to be able to upload images, which you seemingly don't have Orbitron (talk) 01:23, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It basically gives you the autoconfirmed status - Someone (talk) 15:29, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Any way to access the original Watercolor theme used on this site?
Hey all. I like the Watercolor theme used on this wiki, and I'd like to use it on other wikis. Sadly, I couldn't find the original CSS for the theme, where can I find it? --188.58.94.198 19:11, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * https://github.com/betawiki-net/watercolor -- 19:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Windows 8 build 8377: What the...
Every WinJS should has ui.js, base.js and ui-light.js. Why there is no links on 8377's? Also why this:

///  /*! © Microsoft. All rights reserved.
 * 8377 ui.js

This library is supported for use in Windows Metro style apps only.

Build: 1.0.8377.0.winmain_win8rc.120507-1903 Version: Microsoft.WinJS.1.0.RC ///  ///  2001:F90:40C0:A072:9064:7759:A919:A94 23:43, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 8508 base.js


 * Why wouldn't you ask on the 8377 page in the first place? The community portal is for more general things, not stuff that only affects a single page. -- 07:20, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Remove Windows 10 Update builds
Also does not require an update for every Windows 10 builds. can also in add build updates under in Windows 10 build 10565. TedezaRize 06:46, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

November Update

 * Windows 10 build 10565.16384
 * Windows 10 build 10565.41736
 * Windows 10 build 10565.41737

Anniversary Update

 * Windows 10 build 14295.1004
 * Windows 10 build 14295.1005
 * Windows 10 build 14342 (rs1 release flt)
 * Windows 10 build 14342.1002
 * Windows 10 build 14371 (rs1 release inmarket)

Creators Update

 * Windows 10 build 14931 (rs prerelease flt prev)
 * Windows 10 build 14971.1001
 * Windows 10 build 14986.1001
 * Windows 10 build 15042.2
 * Windows 10 build 15042.3

April 2018 Update

 * Windows 10 build 17133.73

Support

 * 1) TedezaRize 07:10, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) NaraInsider1694 (talk) 01:30, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 3) Brennan1234567890 (Talk page | Contributions) 23:17, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Add Parallels Desktop page under "Hypervisors" section
This is the one hypervisor for macOS that BetaWiki leaves in the rain. How about we create a page about it?
 * You can't create non-discussion page because you aren't autoconfirmed. Btw, if your account is 4 days old and made at least 10 edits, then you will got autoconfirmed. -- 09:39, 5 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Then create one. -- 21:24, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

0x80072ee7
I recently gonna playing Roblox and finded nothing happens after clicking. After some seconds, i founded a error code 0x80072ee7 that crashed it. What is happening here? 27.109.133.55 11:08, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The community portal is not a forum. If you need help with your Roblox installation, you should instead contact the Roblox support team. NaraInsider1694 (talk) 12:25, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, the other laptops has only 1 doesn't have broken Wi-Fi. And also I am not often using Roblox Mobile. Why I tell you about this? It happens when I having school and I am not an USA user. 2001:F90:40A0:991:951D:C7FD:C425:4EFF 06:14, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? Also, like I said earlier, the community portal is not a forum. NaraInsider1694 (talk) 06:45, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Add Games
Should we add games to this and talk about their betas. I know The Cutting Room Floor exists, but it would be nice to have it in one Wiki
 * Have you read the Guidelines before? Every user who want to contribute here must read it. Also, your article will end in Hall of Shame if you create these pages. Just like Half-Life 3. -- 11:22, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * No, stuff doesn't end up on Hall of Shame just because it's out of scope. -- 11:35, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * So if a page has terrible quality they will end up in Hall Of Shame? -- 13:01, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This wiki is for betas of OSes. Not for betas of games. So, I don't think your request will be accepted. Also all pages related to games that are not pre-installed in OSes are deleted long ago.
 * Famous apps or bundled apps too. Like Google Chrome or VMware. -- 05:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * TCRF already does that job very well, so why should we waste time doing what they already did? Yeah sure, it would be convenient to have it all on a single wiki -- but who's going to write the content? -- 12:08, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This is one of my goals, add betas of games to the wiki. So I will do it. (I know people said I did not read the guidelines, but I did, and people say I am bad at creating articles, but I am not.) User:NexineTech2022
 * They are completely out-of-scope here; there exist other websites that have practically achieved this goal, so I'd rather suggest you go there instead. This site is specifically focused on documenting the development history of pre-release operating systems. - pivotman319 (📫) 11:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

What happend to the BetaWiki logo on the left-side?
I just got on here and now a black line is showing on the BetaWiki logo (The image that you click on to get to the Main Page).

It looks really strange and I not really sure if the logo is being changed or if it was simply just a mistake. Probably nobody did not expect to see a black line on the logo today.

WindowsGuy2021, 7:17 9 September 2022


 * Elizabeth II's dead. - pivotman319 (📫) 14:12, 9 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The logo has been updated to pay respects to the passing of Queen Elizabeth II Xeno (talk) 12:19, 9 September 2022 (UTC)


 * ...and what does that have to do with betas? --212.252.82.137 16:12, 10 September 2022 (UTC)


 * It's a mark of respect. Maybe you're not very good at showing it. Starfrost (talk) 22:25, 10 September 2022 (UTC)


 * So sad that the UK queen passed away... R.I.P. Queen Elizabeth II (1926-2022)

Out of curiosity, why is the Monobook skin absent from BetaWiki?
Title says all. The Monobook skin which is normally in MediaWiki is absent from BetaWiki. Diyamund (talk) 02:27, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe the wiki isn't implemented it yet. Or it was removed in the stage of wiki creating -- 02:31, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It would have to be the latter, because Monobook has been in MediaWiki since before 2010. Diyamund (talk) 23:56, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Add a macOS 11.7 Big Sur page
According to Wikipedia,it says 11.7 is out for Big Sur (build 20G817). SpringTime (talk)

-Done. NexineTech2022

Hovering over a compilation or timebomb date shows the same date?
This is a weird thing, why is it here?

Broken Watercolor skin
Recently, I tried other skins. But when I changed back to watercolor, it ia broken. Text are whited out, skin does not work, leaving a broken UI that resembles Vector but broken. Anyone fix? -- 12:21, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The skin isn't broken on my side, although I used Vector as my main skin, not Watercolor. NaraInsider1694 (talk) 12:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9GKeJoV_Ddo
Can someone find the build number on this video? (This is the 720p version, the original is by Nvidia 360p)
 * This is Windows Vista build 5384 Xeno (talk) 21:18, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Mac OS 13 released
It has been created.

Mac OS 13 has been released, can you update this page?

Windows server 2016 build 10586 (th2_release) Timebomb
I installed Windows server 2016 build 10586 (th2_release) on the current date but the timebomb disappears, do anyone knows this ?

If you don't believe me and look here (deleted for: nothing should get on my post) I didn't debombed that build but how ?

Another screenshot is here

(deleted for: nothing should get on my post)
 * Remember to sign your comments with four tildes . NaraInsider1694 (talk) 04:13, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You may got it from an unknown source, which has debombed Windows normally. 09:41, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

what build is this? (for the taskbar and start menu)
1st image on https://www.walmart.com/ip/Dell-Latitude-Laptop-E7450-Intel-i5-CPU-8GB-RAM-256GB-HD-Windows-10-Pro-Reused/199940371?athbdg=L1600
 * It's somewhere between Windows 10 build 9909 and Windows 10 build 10022 (fbl_impressive). Also, remember to sign your comments with four tildes . NaraInsider1694 (talk) 06:45, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Question
Why is everyone allowed to create a page but not me Pedroa123 (talk) 18:41, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You need autoconfirmed which IIRC requires your account to be 4 days old and 10 edits. —-Sporb (talk) 23:49, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Can we get download links for windows builds? (Archive and win2beta links)
nothing here, just read the topics title 174.26.238.118 06:44, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * What you're requesting is against the guidelines. NaraInsider1694 (talk) 07:04, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

ok (also plz archive rn, too much questions.)  174.26.238.118 07:11, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

What was the first build to completely remove Help and Support Center?
Since the original release of Windows 10 in 2015, the Help and Support Center app has been removed from the OS. When the user tries to open it, it instead redirects the user to the Microsoft support website on Microsoft Edge. What was the first build of Windows 10 to contain this change?

I am also wondering why Microsoft even decided to discontinue the app. It was very useful to have this app because it functioned as a built-in electronic manual for Windows, teaching the user the basics of using the computer and having info on almost all aspects of the OS.

WindowsGuy2021 8:08, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The first build to remove Help and Support Center was Windows 10 build 10061 (fbl_impressive). NaraInsider1694 (talk) 13:50, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Sliding menu animations on Vista and later?
Normally, it is not possible to enable the sliding menu animations (instead of the SysFader ones) in Windows Vista and later. However, I upgraded XP (with sliding animations enabled) to Vista and they are still activated. I kept upgrading and noticed that they even retain in Windows 8.1. Is there any registry hack to enable these sliding menu animations on Vista and later? - 2.204.220.65 19:08, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

What happend to the Windows components category?
I looked at a few pages like Getting Started and Sync Center which were formely tagged with the Windows components category? Now, some of them are no longer in the category. I tried to pinpoint when this change happend in the Recent changes tracker but, I was not able to find logs for this particular change whatsoever.

Also, the number of entries on the Windows components page has also been reduced to like 64 entries. I think this change was made to reduce the clutter of the Windows components page since Windows contains a lot of components in many forms.

WindowsGuy2021 8:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * IDK what's wrong! (Please archive 9, too much questions) 138.43.105.18 14:16, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems it was deleted or else, but it should be 128 before 2001:F90:40A0:991:2880:77BC:2DD6:4201 06:29, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

How to get the full buildtag of update builds?
The registry hives shows the base build buildtag, not the updated buildtag. 15:29, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * For me, I visited this site to get full buildtags. NaraInsider1694 (talk) 23:50, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

What is going on with the Dev Channel?
It has been over two weeks since the release of Windows 11 build 25236.1000 (not counting build 25236.1010 which was just a service pipeline update) and there has been no client Copper builds since last week because the build that Microsoft was testing did not meet the qualifications to be released to Windows Insiders. Just recently, Microsoft has stated yet again that there will not be any new client builds this week for the same reason. Although Microsoft did release a new Copper server build a few days ago on 16 November 2022 which contained a few changes to the taskbar such as the ability to display the seconds on the clock and the ability to prevent the combining of taskbar icons.

I feel like that something is happening behind the scenes. It may just be Microsoft just doing further quality checks and testing on the next client Copper build before they release it which could happen next week if it does pass all quality qualifications. I also think that Microsoft might also be working on some big features that could arrive in the next build.

Copper has been a rather interesting development semester so far. It feels like that many recent Copper builds have not be packed with lots of interesting features and changes unlike previous development semesters. I feel like that Microsoft's approach to not tying semesters with Windows feature updates is actually starting to work and is better than the previous development approach in the early years of Windows 10 since it allows Microsoft to release features when they are ready to be released to consumers.

WindowsGuy2021 8:58, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Update: I was misinformed, there is a new client build of Copper that just went live just now. Sometimes, Microsoft's Windows Insider Dev channel release schedule is sometimes a bit weird and inconsistent at times. Sometimes, a build might not be relesed on Thursday and might release the next day for example.

WindowsGuy2021, 12:21, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * They still focused on client builds, and maybe more than server builds because servers may just be too scared if they install these build on their servers as the server can crash. But you can see in the recent leak, Microsoft is bringing back never combine. I'm surprised they test those features in server build instead of client builds.